STEM Education And Jobs: Declining Numbers Of Blacks Seen In Math, Science

[Poitier]

That's not the issue at all.

The percentage of people in the general population (black or otherwise) with PHDs is so small that it barely affects unemployment. For example, even if black people got PHDs at twice the rate of white people, it still would only have a small effect on overall blck unemployment rates. And you're living in a dream world if you think there ever will be some point where half of black people (or any other group) get PHDs. Not to mention the huge amount of debt that you'd have to take on and the possibility that it still might not lead to a high paying job.

The issue is that a large percentage of the black population is lacking in marketable job skills, along with a huge amount of racism in the job market (for example, white high school dropouts getting preference over black college grads). Focusing specifically on PHDs is a waste of time.

This is basic common sense but its futile trying to beat that into the brains of some of these dudes, man.

The solutions are much larger than "go into STEM" and go back to capitalism itself.

 

[theworldismine13]

That's not the issue at all.

The percentage of people in the general population (black or otherwise) with PHDs is so small that it barely affects unemployment. For example, even if black people got PHDs at twice the rate of white people, it still would only have a small effect on overall blck unemployment rates. And you're living in a dream world if you think there ever will be some point where half of black people (or any other group) get PHDs. Not to mention the huge amount of debt that you'd have to take on and the possibility that it still might not lead to a high paying job.

The issue is that a large percentage of the black population is lacking in marketable job skills, along with a huge amount of racism in the job market (for example, white high school dropouts getting preference over black college grads). Focusing specifically on PHDs is a waste of time.

its the same difference, its a given that most people arent going to get PhD, put the issue is the pipeline

for example, if you have a class of 30 students and say we will try to get them allto get their phds, only 1 or 2 will make it, but the rest will end up with bachelors and masters, which in the STEM field are still highly valuable

so a phd is more of signal of whats going on down the pipeline, if you double the number of black phds, i would assert that during the process you would quadruple (im just throwing numbers out, but work with me) the number of black STEM bachelors

 

[Poitier]

Fantasy land assertions not backed by any evidence other than a ducktale imagination

 

[theworldismine13]

Fantasy land assertions not backed by any evidence other than a ducktale imagination

its backed up by observations of how things work in academia in general

the PhDs are the researchers and the people with BS and MS build and design, and the people from trade school fix things

very few people black or white or asain make it to Phd, but in the process of creating a pipeline for PhDs you end up with a bulk of bachelors and masters degree holders

STEM PhD is a good metric to use because it tells you whats going on down the STEM pipeline

 

[Poitier]

This dude is so miraculously stupid it is astounding

 

[theworldismine13]

This dude is so miraculously stupid it is astounding

im just giving you facts, if you think its stupid its probably becuase you yourself are stupid

overall the number of STEM PhD's is directly connected to the number of people with STEM masters, which is connected directly with the number of STEM Bachelors, which is them connected directly with the number of properly educated HS grads, that is the the STEM pipeline

so even though very people make to PHD, the number of PHds is directly correlated with the overall health and overall numbers in the STEM pipeline

#factsonly

 

[Poitier]

PhD Pipeline "The Solution To Black Economic Apartheid"

 

[Poitier]

im just giving you facts, if you think its stupid its probably becuase you yourself are stupid

overall the number of STEM PhD's is directly connected to the number of people with STEM masters, which is connected directly with the number of STEM Bachelors, which is them connected directly with the number of properly educated HS grads, that is the the STEM pipeline

so even though very people make to PHD, the number of PHds is directly correlated with the overall health and overall numbers in the STEM pipeline

#factsonly

You need to reread what @acri1 posted, dumb dumb.

 

[theworldismine13]

PhD Pipeline "The Solution To Black Economic Apartheid"

yep, the STEM pipeline is directly related to black people building our own technologies (cell phones, planes, automobiles, software etc), without a STEM pipeline black people cannot rise and we will always be stuck on the bottom rung

#factsonly

 

[Poitier]

There are people that are actually this dumb

 

[theworldismine13]

There are people that are actually this dumb

i was about to say the same thing

 

[Richard Wright]

its the same difference, why would somebody go through all that and not get a bachelors

plus they have programming boot camps that last a couple of months, that is pretty much a programming trade school

To save money, and programming isn't all of computer science. In 20 years just programming will be a marketable skill in the same way just reading is a marketable skill today.

Idk what your background is so I dont mean to target you by saying this:

Non programmers seem to struggle to understand that programming itself is easy as hell, its simply a medium through which to use your thinking to solve problems.

The point of the curriculum i posted is an inexpensive fast track to being educated in stem. Writing if(true); in notepad technically makes me a programmer. Stem education is what makes (is making :D) me a scientist\engineer.

 

[How Sway?]

yep, the STEM pipeline is directly related to black people building our own technologies (cell phones, planes, automobiles, software etc), without a STEM pipeline black people cannot rise and we will always be stuck on the bottom rung

#factsonly

ehh, i wouldn't go that far

but yes it would make it easier for black students in STEM if there are more blacks with PHD's who have clout in whatever company they work for.

 

[How Sway?]

That's not it, nikkas (me included) would rather make actual money, then be stuck in a program for almost a decade that gets accolades from a few people, and only really rewards you if you enjoy your work.
Coming out of an Ivy League, or top school (like Stanford, MIT, CIT, UC-Berkeley, UCLA, MSU, UT-Austin, etc) and doing well, you can hop into something like investment banking with a starting pay of $125k, or jump straight to med-school, law school, get your MBA, or anything like that and start making six figures within a few years, if not immediately. Most young Black men and women work hard in high school and undergraduate so they can show it with a higher quality of life, not so they can slog through a decade more of schooling on a low salary/stipend.
"Advancement of human society" society sounds nice, but if you grow up poor, or lower middle class, you dream of the day you can choose a nice car, a beautiful home, have no financial issues, be able to buy the clothes you want, choose when and where you get married, vacations, children who have the world as their oyster, etc. Not grinding away 65 hours a week in a lab for a low paying job that is helping "society" more than it is helping you.
I know that sounds messed up, but its true, I chose to go into a softer major in college so my path to law school will be easier, rather than my original BioChem -> Ivy Graduate School -> Lab work, because sometimes putting money first is a better goal.

and you dapped this shyt @Poitier ?

 

[theworldismine13]

ehh, i wouldn't go that far

but yes it would make it easier for black students in STEM if there are more blacks with PHD's who have clout in whatever company they work for.

sorry but i would go that far, technology (or lack of) is what got black people got by europeans 400 years ago, until black people catch up in terms of science and technology black people will always be at the bottom