Stars, coaches and media shyt on diluted 90s NBA, in real time

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Only 2 teams were added in the 90s, the Raptors and Grizzlies were added in 95. The Hornets and Heat were 88 and Magic and Twolves were 89.

Keep writing your narratives though

And yet another example of you arguing in bad faith.

1988/1989 is part of that era.

Just because the teams weren't literally added in the years in the 90s, doesn't mean they didn't influence that period. An era isn't dicated by specific decades, as if all that happened in 1989 doesn't influence something in 1990. Do you understand what a flow-on effect is?

Six teams were added during that 90s era. Those six teams added, influenced what happened in the 90s. Or are you going to tell me the four teams added in 1988/1989 influenced the 80s instead, when there's eight other years prior where they didn't exist during the 80s? How does that make sense to you?

Everyone that talks about the expansion era is talking about the 90s. Not the 80s.

 

[staticshock]

Like you who capes for Lebron, this is a cape for Lebron take. Nobody was downing former generations to prop up current ones till Lebron's folk started saying the former eras were plumbers or start trying to reconfigure accomplishments others achieved as undeserved. Play dumb all you want, that's the hidden agenda behind this which is why its mostly Klutch crodies

Got damn you’re an idiot.

Is LeBron causing global warming & the war in Israel too?

 

[NO-BadAzz]

Did you just say Michael Adams and Kiki Vandeweghe are more special than Luka and Steph, with a straight face?

Only on TheColi will you see some cat claim that Michael Adams and Kiki Vandeweghe are better than Steph and Luka.

I really shouldn't even be surprised you've come to that conclusion. That just might be the single-most deranged hoops take I've read on this board. Lord have mercy. There's not a cotdamn chance in hell you've watched either of those guys play. I bet you hadn't even heard of them prior to me mentioning them.

Muh'fukka you did NOT watch Reggie play.



Out of all the jumpshots he made during his career-high 57-point game, there was only ONE time where he was slightly pulled coming off a pick, and it was the barest of touches. It didn't obstruct him, at all. Every single other jump shot where he's running off screens, he doesn't get pulled or held. There's not one instance where he's hand-checked. Not once. The only times he's ever bumped are in the paint (and on a post-up), and the contact is no more physical than you see today.

Most of his jumpshots are open because his primary defender doesn't even make a concerted effort to contest his shots. Most of the time he comes off a screen and there's nobody in his shooting vicinity.


- Just look at his first field goal against the Bulls at 0.17sec - MJ gets lost behind a screen and doesn't even bother to contest, he actually just runs down the other end of the floor as Reggie is taking the shot.
- Look at 0.38sec - Reggie gets a foul called on Levingston who actually tries to avoid touching Reggie; it's one of the softest foul calls you'll ever see (you'll even see on replay that Levingston actually doesn't even touch his shooting arm, the foul is called because he grazes Reggie as he's trying to move away).
- Look at 0.55sec - this just might be poorest excuse for perimeter defense in existence. Somehow, his defender is caught ball-watching, but simultaneously can't process the ball is actually going right by him to Reggie, and he just stands there, doing absolutely nothing. He watches Reggie drive baseline for an uncontested layup. Inexcusable defense.
- Look at 1.03sec - Reggie gets a steal, runs the fastbreak and MJ legit doesn't even try to play defense on him. He literally runs away from Reggie with his hands up. It results in an uncontested layup. And you wanna know the funny thing about this? After this bucket the broadcaster literally says "everything is a layup drill for Indiana", as if not a lick of defense is being played by the Bulls.
- Look at 1.50sec - Reggie gets another steal, and the Bulls just look at him running the length of the floor for another uncontested bucket.
- Look at 2.11sec - another possession where MJ gets caught behind a screen, and doesn't even show any urgency to contest Reggie's shot. It results in a wide-open jumper.
- Look at 2.27 sec - yet another possession where MJ gets caught behind a screen, resulting in Reggie getting an open offensive rebound and tip-in.
- Look at 3.16sed - and another possession where MJ loses he gets caught ball-watching, and Reggie cuts to the rim for an uncontested layup. This is one of the most inexcusable displays of defense you'll see.
- Look at 3.25sec - wide-open 3-pt shot because the Bulls get lost on defense.
- Look at 3.44sec - Hodges get caught ball-watching, Reggie makes a backdoor cut and gets an uncontested layup.
- Look at 4.20sec - Bulls don't get back in transition and Reggie gets an uncontested layup.

This is one of the most horrendous, non-physical displays of defense you'll see from a team. No pulling or holding him coming off screens; no hand-checking; no contesting his jumpshots; letting him drive and cut to the hoop for easy scoring opportunities. Reggie legit faced little-to-no resistance on almost all of his buckets. And the funny thing about this is, the Bulls ended up being the NBA champs at the end of this season. Go figure.

That game is worth its own thread. It dispels so many false narratives about 90s defense and MJ's defense.

Steph is Reggie on steroids coming off the ball.

Everything that Reggie did when cutting, running off picks, and general off-ball movement, Steph took to the next level, and then some. He cuts harder, he's faster, he's more agile, he turns corners quicker, he bounces at more precise angles, gets around picks more fluidly, bumps off defenders better (due to his lower center of gravity and strength), is more creative in getting free because he's defended more closely.


Just look at what Steph has to do to get off a shot, and then you compare that to the Reggie games above.

Breh that's 1 game outta the dude's career and you wanna try and make this your stance to say Reggie never/rarely encountered the intensity/physicality of the 90s?

Read this slowly because I see you have a hard time of understanding things, if you have to climb up a steep hill/mountain with 2 heavy bags, 2 crying babies clinging on you vs climbing up the steep hill/mountain without any of those variables, which one is more special??
Don't be dumb all your life breh

Keke and Micheal Adams, A.I. played in a Era where the lane was clogged, you had 2 big men, the intensity of the game was way higher, fouls were much harder, spacing wasn't much, the 3-point attempts weren't a lot, and they managed to put up numbers
That's not special than what a Rook Steph or 17- or 18-year-old Luka has done. These guys are in a league where a common foul that was done in the 90s, would have you suspended for a game or so, You see how the rules change and favor the guys playing in this Era? You do understand that part there right

Flagrant Fouls were rarely called in the 90s, you got hit in the face, elbow, you had to just get up and play or shoot FTs if the call was made, see there, that's impressive for guys who have massageable like an A.I. or Mark Price, We call that special over here when you can play and put up numbers in that type of environment

 

[NO-BadAzz]

Oh look, another player you've never seen play.



Dell wasn't even remotely in the same stratosphere as a prospect.

Do you even realize how transparent you are with your complete lack of knowledge around hoops? You think just because Dell is Steph's pops, that he should've had the same career relative to his time in the league? Ask yourself why didn't Seth pan out then in this era, if Steph is so good? Why is Seth no more than a role player, when Steph is a superstar? Seth is a great shooter, so how come he isn't a superstar?

How come Brent Barry was just a role player, when his pops, Rick, was a superstar during the 70s? How come Joe Bryant was just a role player, when his son was a superstar? How come Danny Schayes wast just a role player, when his pops, Dolph, was a superstar? How come Jalen Brunson is a star, and his pops, Rick, was no more than a role player? How come LeBron is a superstar, and his son, will be no more than a role player? Why was Blake Griffin a superstar, and his brother, Taylor, no more than a fringe NBA talent?

If it was as simple as you're just so disingenously trying to claim, then we'd easily be able to project who'd become stars and who won't. You know nothing else but to debate in bad faith.

And this is why you need to bow out out of this discussion before you further embarrass yourself.

Mark Price was NOT a spot-up shooter.



You have no cotdamn idea of what you're talking about.

Mark Price was one of the best ball-handlers during the 90s; he generated his own shots. He was one of the first PGs who revolutionized the position, being able to create his own shot and create offense for his teammates at a high-level. He wasn't no cotdamn spot-up shooter, in any sense of the term. How many times are you gonna get exposed for your complete lack of knowledge, pounding on your chest, acting like you know what you're talking about?



How many more lies are you going to tell?

See what you're doing is comparing 'careers' I already told you many of times to use only ROOK STEPH, 2nd Year Steph and 3rd year Steph

See you wanna use their entire career up till today. Curry wasn't a superstar in this ROOK year, I'm not speaking on the Superstar Curry, see you're trying to use that as a stance, no playboy, we are starting from scratch and breaking it all the way down in a logical/reality lens. Not the fantasy world you're living in.

I said Dale Curry was much better than Rookie Steph - 3rd year Steph (stop right there)

I said Dale Curry had a great shot and he had better skill sets than the Curry that I'm speaking of and I am asking YOU why Dale Curry did Not be this superstar in the 90s when he had more assets than ROOK CURRY - 3rd Curry?

This is what I need you to answer.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Just a snapshot into the creative writing of @NO-BadAzz:

- Steph can't create his own shot
- Mark Price was a spot-up shooter
- Kobe averaged 8 ppg as a rookie and that means Steph and Luka wouldn't make it in the 90s
- Bron would be Larry Johnson in the 90s, but without his post-play and jumpshot
- Terrell Brandon is better than Steph
- Steph wouldn't be a star in the 90s because Dell wasn't
- Michael Adams and Kiki Vandeweghe are more special than Luka and Steph
- Luka wouldn't even be drafted in the 90s
- Malone can do everything that Jokic can
- Jokic wouldn't even be drafted in the 90s.

 

[NO-BadAzz]

Oh look, another player you've never seen play.



Dell wasn't even remotely in the same stratosphere as a prospect.

Do you even realize how transparent you are with your complete lack of knowledge around hoops? You think just because Dell is Steph's pops, that he should've had the same career relative to his time in the league? Ask yourself why didn't Seth pan out then in this era, if Steph is so good? Why is Seth no more than a role player, when Steph is a superstar? Seth is a great shooter, so how come he isn't a superstar?

How come Brent Barry was just a role player, when his pops, Rick, was a superstar during the 70s? How come Joe Bryant was just a role player, when his son was a superstar? How come Danny Schayes wast just a role player, when his pops, Dolph, was a superstar? How come Jalen Brunson is a star, and his pops, Rick, was no more than a role player? How come LeBron is a superstar, and his son, will be no more than a role player? Why was Blake Griffin a superstar, and his brother, Taylor, no more than a fringe NBA talent?

If it was as simple as you're just so disingenously trying to claim, then we'd easily be able to project who'd become stars and who won't. You know nothing else but to debate in bad faith.

And this is why you need to bow out out of this discussion before you further embarrass yourself.

Mark Price was NOT a spot-up shooter.



You have no cotdamn idea of what you're talking about.

Mark Price was one of the best ball-handlers during the 90s; he generated his own shots. He was one of the first PGs who revolutionized the position, being able to create his own shot and create offense for his teammates at a high-level. He wasn't no cotdamn spot-up shooter, in any sense of the term. How many times are you gonna get exposed for your complete lack of knowledge, pounding on your chest, acting like you know what you're talking about?



How many more lies are you going to tell?

Why did Seth go to Duke and Steph go to a small college like Davidson??

Why coach K didn't go after Steph? Bud

 

[Richard Glidewell]

It's futile arguing with fanatics......they are called that for a reason......their will to live is based on their delusion.......the information is there to be had......but they not taking off them rose colored glasses to do so........let them stay stuck breh.......don't let them pull you down into that cesspool of non sense where they like to operate.....

 

[NO-BadAzz]

Just a snapshot into the creative writing of @NO-BadAzz:

- Steph can't create his own shot
- Mark Price was a spot-up shooter
- Kobe averaged 8 ppg as a rookie and that means Steph and Luka wouldn't make it in the 90s
- Bron would be Larry Johnson in the 90s, but without his post-play and jumpshot
- Terrell Brandon is better than Steph
- Steph wouldn't be a star in the 90s because Dell wasn't
- Michael Adams and Kiki Vandeweghe are more special than Luka and Steph
- Luka wouldn't even be drafted in the 90s
- Malone can do everything that Jokic can
- Jokic wouldn't even be drafted in the 90s.

Now you're lying because you have nothing to stand on, but let me clean it up for you, snapshot

Jokic average 10 points his rookie year in this Era, Gil think Joker would dominate his rookie year because Joker taught himself post moves
Mark Price was never a spot of shooter, most of Mark's Scoring came off the dribble blowing by defenders
Kobe averaged 8 points as a Rook but Gil thinks Steph and Luka would be drafted in that 95/96 draft class and average 20 in the league as Rooks
Terrell Brandon can create his own shot; Terrell Brandon was able to finish at the rim - Gil doesn't think that's special
Dell Curry playing in the 90s had a better skillset, a great shooter than ROOK Steph- 3rd year Steph but yet Dell never was the 1st option on none of the teams he played on but he had a better package than Steph, but Gil thinks that a ROOK Steph or a 17, 18 year old Luka who didn't have a better skill set package than Kobe nor Dell, or any other talented guard from the 90s, would be 20 points per game scorers in the 90s,
Adams and Kiki are special because they put up numbers in the 90s, the rules, the spacing, lack of 3-point attempts. Rook Step or a 17–18-year-old Luka is much special than these dudes- Gil
Karl Malone, 16th on the best 75 players list has no post moves, he was basic - Gil, Rook Joker (who average 10 points in this current era as a Rook) would kill in the 90s - Gil
Joker as a Rookie would kill in the 90s, but yet as a Rook in 2015 he only put up 10 points a game over a 82 game seasons

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Now you're lying because you have nothing to stand on, but let me clean it up for you, snapshot

Mark Price was never a spot of shooter, mostly of Mark's Scoring came off the dribble blowing by defenders

Mark Price was a "spot up shooter" (Who I said Curry would be in the 90s)

Terrell Brandon could create is shot off the dribble with a defender on him (I also said Curry can't do this, Curry cannot create his own shot)

You've lied and bullshytted so much, you can't even keep up with what you've said.

You initially said Mark Price was a spot-up shooter (who Steph would be in the 90s), then in the next breath, you're saying Price was never a spot-up shooter, and he scored most of his points off-the-dribble, yet you argued that Steph can't create his own shot, while also arguing that Steph would be Mark Price in the 90s, who you said was a spot-up shooter.

You lied, you contradicted yourself, and you argued against the same premise you've been arguing for throughout this whole thread.

Nxgga, are you okay? Do you need some help?

 

[NO-BadAzz]

You've lied and bullshytted so much, you can't even keep up with what you've said.

You initially said Mark Price was a spot-up shooter (who Steph would be in the 90s), then in the next breath, you're saying Price was never a spot-up shooter, and he scored most of his points off-the-dribble, yet you argued that Steph can't create his own shot, while also arguing that Steph would be Mark Price in the 90s, who you said was a spot-up shooter.

You lied, you contradicted yourself, and you argued against the same premise you've been arguing for throughout this whole thread.

Nxgga, are you okay? Do you need some help?

Goofy this is what YOU said, I know Mark was a spot of shooter and most of his point DID NOT come blowing pass defenders.

 

[Remote]

You're cutting off your nose to spite your face with this.

You know cotdamn well a rookie MJ is not doing this, and you know that if you acknowledge that, it'll undermine your whole position. You're painfully transparent.

Let's break it down:

A rookie MJ would've likely been drafted to a lottery team, and that team would've likely been either going through the early stages of rebuild or on a treadmill team with journeymen players who've been cast aside by the rest of the league, so the likelihood that iteration of MJ would even be on a team good enough to compete with a prime Bron (on a much greater team), would be improbable. No different to a rookie Bron in Cleveland in 2003, with a roster full of inexperienced players, fringe NBA talent and league-average vets, going up against MJ in his prime with prime Pippen, prime Horace and all the high-level role players, who have established chemistry as a collective and have been battle-tested.

Right off the bat, a rookie MJ would be at a significant disadvange. Even a prime MJ in this scenario would be at a significant disadvantage if he was just thrown onto a lottery team who he had no experience playing with.

That's before we even get into the glaring issue with your hypothetical - being that a rookie version of MJ had no prior experience playing in a league relative to the NBA; he was mentally in his infant stage of professional play; he had no relative experience of winning in a professional capacity; he had no relative experience of adjusting his game; he was at his physical weakest; he had no relative experience of leading grown men - he would've stood no chance of having even the slightest hope of competing with, let alone dominate, a prime Bron.

The fact that obviousness of this needs to be laid out for you to understand, is troubling.

Your ignorant, misinformed, delusional ass doesn't even know what 'freedom of movement' is, nor do you understand how to contextulize it in comparison to the the year that MJ drafted, that had much weaker defenses and less-advanced defensive schemes.

The 90s had much easier scoring conditions because of illegal defensive rules -


Here you go again, simplifying the situation to this reductive ass shyt.

I could care less about how you falsely believe in how a rookie MJ would score against Bron, when it's built on such flimsy, elementary reasoning. The game isn't 1v1, so regardless of however MJ scores, it would be a drop in the ocean going up against a team with prime Bron. MJ's team would NOT be competitive. A Prime Bron, in a established defensive setup, with players who he has relative-extensive experience playing alongside, and whom have their own defensive chops, would completely overwhelm a rookie MJ on that end of the floor.

Furthermore, why are you emphasizing a point around how Bron wouldn't be able to guard rookie MJ here, when a young, much smaller and less physically-developed MJ would not stand a chance guarding a prime Bron, who would be at hit the peak of his athletic and relative-strength powers, is more to the point. Or do you seem to think a rookie MJ could defend a prime Bron, more than the contrary? Infinitely greater defenders than rookie MJ couldn't defend prime Bron - you're not seriously going to tell me that version of MJ could defend him, right? If you don't believe MJ could defend him, then what's the point of even arguing this nonsense?

A rookie MJ is not beating a prime Bron, under any circumstances. Period.

p.s. MJ didn't defend opposing superstars during his day. That's what Pippen and the likes of Harper were used for. And as much as you like to believe Bron wasn't a good 1v1 defender, MJ was much less so. His strengths on defense were never 1v1. Your shooting yourself in the foot with your own arguments.

Luka would put up points; winning/dominating is another thing, altogether, that would be completely dependent on the team he was on.

I've already told you countless times the relevance of Luka's experience playing against grown men before being drafted to the NBA. You choosing to believe that I'm making it seem like Luka would come in right from his rookie season and dominate every single team, is a fictive you've created in your own head.

He'd undoubtedly need time to adjust to the league just like every single player that's ever been thrust into the situation in the first place.

Nobody* is a finished product in their rookie season, so it begs the question, why do you keep trying to spam this point about rookie players? Are you under the impression that players don't ever get better from their rookie years? That if someone like Luka wouldn't ever develop beyond what he'd show during his 1st year in the league?

The ultimate sonning of 2024.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Goofy this is what YOU said, I know Mark was a spot of shooter and most of his point DID NOT come blowing pass defenders.

You never watched Mark Price, in real time, or on tape. It's the reason why you keep shifting what you're arguing, and not providing any evidence to prove what you're saying.

Can you explain to me how someone who is a spot-up shooter in the 90s, also averaged 10 assists per game for a season? How is that possible? Do you know any spot-up shooters who averaged that many assists during the 90s? How was a PG in the 90s, who was the primary ball-handler, strictly a spot-up shooter? How can you possibly be the primary ball-handler for a team, yet you're strictly a spot-up shooter?


Tell me, how many times do you see him spotting up in this clip?

 

[Remote]

My god.

Michael Adams is my new favorite coli meme



Michael Adams.
1990s Coli Superstar

Kyrie could never.

 

[NO-BadAzz]

You never watched Mark Price, in real time, or on tape. It's the reason why you keep shifting what you're arguing, and not providing any evidence to prove what you're saying.

Can you explain to me how someone who is a spot-up shooter in the 90s, also averaged 10 assists per game for a season? How is that possible? Do you know any spot-up shooters who averaged that many assists during the 90s? How was a PG in the 90s, who was the primary ball-handler, strictly a spot-up shooter? How can you possibly be the primary ball-handler for a team, yet you're strictly a spot-up shooter?


Tell me, how many times do you see him spotting up in this clip?

Too easy, this is very fun, you wanna get me so bad but you can't, the fact that you asked me this is just sad within itself


I'll tell you how this is the case, in the 90s, I thought the game was inside out? You would feed the post first, correct? True of false, and since you wanna go there, Mark Price played with a guy named Brad Daugherty correct, who was the lead scorer on the team? Who do you think fed Brad the ball? Himself.

Who do you think gave Larry Nance the ball in transition and coming off pin downs Himself or the PG? Since you said that the point guard was the "primary ball handler" so if this is the case, who is making these passes to the Larry Nance, the Craig Echlos, the Brad Daughterty, the Hot Rod Williams  Who is knocking down shots when these players get double teamed and have to pass out? I guess nobody huh.

When you pass outta of double teams, 9/10 times the shooter shoots the ball, what do we call that boys and girl?? spot up shooters, Mark average 15 to 16 a game, but you want us to believe that Mark was blowing by defenders and getting to the cup at ease for 82 games in his entire career,

When former players talking about Mark Price, what's the first thing that they would say, He was a good creator off the dribble and that he would beat you off the dribble or was he a deadly spot up shooter that you couldn't leave open  I'll let you answer that yourself smart guy

You moving like Ant man, watching youtube clips to make a stance, breh you gotta watch games, many games

I guess Reggie Miller wasn't a spot up shooter either

Would Mark Price enter in today's 3-point shooting Contest?

 

[NO-BadAzz]

I guess John Stockton wasn't a spot up shooter either, former players wouldn't consider him a spot up shooter or anything

He led the league in assist for years and many considered him a spot up shooter


I can't believe yall be championing dudes like Gil smh. This is yall leader