Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker (Official Thread)

[Dr. Narcisse]

Rian didn't really disregard TFA, he just took what it offered and answered it in ways we weren't expecting/aren't used to. For him the force "awakening" wasn't just about Rey, it was about Luke (who shut himself off) and the stableboy and even Kylo (taking out Snoke).

He took that Luke nonsense from TFA and said "Ok if Luke Skywalker went into hiding...that means he did something awful and is fukked up". I'm always a people blaming Rian for Luke when it was JJ who set up that Luke walked away from his friends/the fight. Rian just tried making sense of it and turned it into a crisis of conscience.

Finally, he made a third movie even easier in that he made the scale smaller - he took out Snoke which was a huge deal. He took out Luke which was a huge deal and he took out huge parts of the First Order (Holdo maneuvre) and the Resistance (getting killed).

Again it's JJ who now replaced Snoke with Palpatine, the first order with "the final order" and the resistance with...whoever showed up at the end of the movie. He basically replaced Luke as well by giving Rey the exact same crisis of conscience and whereas Yoda stepped in to help Luke now Luke steps in to help Rey, it's the same fukking beat.

I'm on record as not loving TLJ but I always said TLJ was mostly building on a lazy setup from JJ (there is no excuse for the Canto Bite stuff). TROS further exposes that JJ is the problem in this trilogy, not Rian.

Edit; JJ and a lack of oversight from Lucasfilm/KK.

Well said

How people are forgetting that fukk up with TFA I'll never know. I remember thinking a predictable "Luke popping up in the 3rd act" would have been better than that.

He chose to explain that BS reason Luke was gone with something that made sense and was bold. People can question the execution, but I got it. JJ should have had Luke active in the 1st movie and that changes everything.

 

[I AM WARHOL]

Reason 200 they dropped the ball with Finn in this trilogy



Finn easily had the most interesting/fresh story, but they never gave a fukk about it.

Can you imagine a story about a force sensitive stormtrooper who has a change of heart and leads a storm trooper revolution while learning the ways of the force and becoming a jedi. Like a stormtrooper Moses. Id watch it

 

[Dorian Breh]

So what's next for the Star Wars franchise?

 

[Dr. Narcisse]

Can you imagine a story about a force sensitive stormtrooper who has a change of heart and leads a storm trooper revolution while learning the ways of the force and becoming a jedi. Like a stormtrooper Moses. Id watch it

I'll say it again...Those early TFA teases gave us (or at least me and some others) so much hope for Finn


I swear once I saw the lightsaber go into Rey's hands my reaction was this cause I knew what time it was

 

[Grifter]

From what I'm reading

Spoiler

they turned Palpatine into Madara

 

[ExodusNirvana]

Holy shyt I just watched all of that and realized it was about Courtdog buying that used mattress back in the day

I really can't with you nikkas...I can't

 

[Mantis Toboggan M.D.]

Holy shyt I just watched all of that and realized it was about Courtdog buying that used mattress back in the day

I really can't with you nikkas...I can't

GOAT thread backfire

 

[Saysumthinfunnymike]

Rian Johnson had better ideas than J.J.

I'd rather have the past be the past and subvert expectations than this bullshyt JJ just put out lmao

 

[Saysumthinfunnymike]

This movie will end up doing more damage than the last jedi

It will be a better movie for sure.

Nope. The Last Jedi was better than this...

 

[ColdSlither]

Well it's forward in the sense of Lucas saying its in your blood and JJ saying its from your bloodline. Because I agree with you, but that idea that its not from a lineage is only in extended universe books that aren't even canon anymore


I agree with most of this except the last. I think Kathleen gets a lot of unnecessary shyt while no one gives shyt to the person signing the checks...Disney. Disney wants to make money and Disney is always thinking about making money. Lucasfilm started life as an independent studio. It still has an independent studio mindset. That doesn't work well with Disney, a company that creates movies purely for merchandising purposes; that's it. The one knock I'll give to her is the lack of creative vision. There's a book to be written on all of this and what happened once Lucas gave the keys to Disney and once JJ left after Force Awakens

Clone Wars is still canon. Rebels is canon. Not trying to pick a fight, but the way I see it, Rian Johnson and Kathleen Kennedy gave zero craps about the existing canon, and as far as they’re concerned, only the movies matter.

 

[Saysumthinfunnymike]

Basically. This entire mess tracks back to TLJ

No it tracks back to The Force Awakens because they should have mapped out a trilogy before they began shooting. They decided to do this "as they go along" and that proved to be a monumental fukk up.

THEY HAD NO PLAN

 

[HHR]

Rian Johnson had better ideas than J.J.

I'd rather have the past be the past and subvert expectations than this bullshyt JJ just put out lmao

All it takes to have better ideas than JJ is to have ideas.

 

[Conz]

Rian Johnson had better ideas than J.J.

I'd rather have the past be the past and subvert expectations than this bullshyt JJ just put out lmao

these are the buzz words people keep using for the Last Jedi... and i think it's getting way too much credit for it. SW needed to change, and it did... kinda. big fukkin deal. the way he "subverted expectations" was fukkin dumb. He basically said "you're not special, anyone can be a Jedi" and what else? He just tossed stuff from the previous movie, which set everything on an odd course right near the finish. Force Awakens is the best movie of this trilogy. Last Jedi isn't dogshyt or anything, but it's already starting to get way too much credit now b/c of this jumbled mess of a movie.

 

[Conz]

oh and as much as i hated the idea of Palpatine in this movie, i'm already tired of people whining about how it ruins Anakin's legacy and sacrifice. the dude was fukkin Space Hitler x10, just because he saw the light and saved his douchebag son, that doesn't make him a good guy.

 

[MartyMcFly]

oh and as much as i hated the idea of Palpatine in this movie, i'm already tired of people whining about how it ruins Anakin's legacy and sacrifice. the dude was fukkin Space Hitler x10, just because he saw the light and saved his douchebag son, that doesn't make him a good guy.

It ruins anakins legacy and sacrifice