You’re holding on to what Lucas said for dear life because it enables you to not engage with any other points made because you’re more concerned with being “right” than discussing in good faith. I welcome genuine discourse even if people disagree with me but that’s bad faith.The actual creator of the damn franchise and IP has said everything I've said (which you claimed to be a misinterpretation of Star Wars) so how can I be wrong?
Don't tell me a "Mature Star Wars" make sense in the IP or that it was ever that serious when the creator himself has said it is for children.
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that was sci-fi state-of-the-art in the 70'searly 80's so stop the focus on how they looked and focus on what they did and/or the script.
r2d2/c3po and chewie are no more goofy than the "emo" droid and other creatures in andor.
that's the point.
I love that they killing cops in this show.
VoxSphere74
Banned
Were those cops? I thought they were just empire goons. Also why'd they write them to be so cowardly? Those dudes were scared of everything.
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En Sabah Nur
The First
This joint been a struggle for me so far. I've gone back to re-watch episodes a couple of times to fully pay attention to the story, but just end up on my phone each time. I need the force and shootouts in my Star Wars...guess I'm not "mature" enough 
Bryan Danielson
Jmare007 x Bryan Danielson x JLova = King Ghidorah
This joint been a struggle for me so far. I've gone back to re-watch episodes a couple of times to fully pay attention to the story, but just end up on my phone each time. I need the force and shootouts in my Star Wars...guess I'm not "mature" enough
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SeriousViolentRatedRBloodyGang takes another L
Na…. But in all seriousness this show is straight to me…. Definitely different from the other shows.
I’m enjoying it
Lord_nikon
Veteran
That head shot to the dome was most pleasing
It's not that deep.
No that's older Star Wars fans trying to rationalize why they still watch Star Wars because they feel they shouldn't or are embarrassed to admit they do.
It was never serious and DESIGNED FOR KIDS.
The CREATOR George Lucas has even said this himself]
And HE even himself CONFIRMED what I'm even saying
@ Star Wars being deep, serious or adult.
I half agree with you here. What makes Star Wars work is that you can watch it on 3 levels; kids movie, popcorn movie, and for the deeper themes. George Lucas also said that OG Star Wars was about the arrogance of imperial power and how the US was walking down that path. The outline of the Prequels is genius too. But when you try to turn a story with talking puppets into adult drama it looks silly IMO.
KalKal
Superstar
There was a line that mentioned that they were actually a corporate 'sentry' force playing the role of cops.
Were those cops? I thought they were just empire goons. Also why'd they write them to be so cowardly? Those dudes were scared of everything.
So they were actually 'lower' than cops, more like armed corporate security guards asked to play a role above their training level.
George Lucas has said the movies were made for 12 year olds
The whole thing was a vehicle to sell kids toys and for him to make money off those sales.
What you consider to be graphic now/today is not what was considered graphic back when the movie was released
How am I not arguing in "good faith" if I'm quoting the architect of the franchise?
It's you who is trying to say the man who created the franchise doesn't know what he's talking about.
George lucas basically suffers from the same thing that Patty Jenkins suffered from. When he was making his best movies is was a collab with others, Lucas had Spielburg for example, and by no coincidence made his best movies during that time, but we he got full creative control and did on his own, it just wasn't as good. The first two starwars movies appealed to a more mature audience, every movie since has not been as good but have appeal towards kids.George Lucas has said the movies were made for 12 year olds
The whole thing was a vehicle to sell kids toys and for him to make money off those sales.
What you consider to be graphic now/today is not what was considered graphic back when the movie was released
How am I not arguing in "good faith" if I'm quoting the architect of the franchise?
It's you who is trying to say the man who created the franchise doesn't know what he's talking about.
He specifically did this because he needed to make money off merchandising and an independent producer. But starwars wasn't originally a kids franchise.
George Lucas has said the movies were made for 12 year olds
The whole thing was a vehicle to sell kids toys and for him to make money off those sales.
What you consider to be graphic now/today is not what was considered graphic back when the movie was released
How am I not arguing in "good faith" if I'm quoting the architect of the franchise?
It's you who is trying to say the man who created the franchise doesn't know what he's talking about.
You're arguing in bad faith for several reasons.
A. You are taking Lucas' words as THE gospel and conversation ender, but failing to take into account anything else. Anything else such as the fact that whatever he said, it was a collaborative effort by all accounts and the creatives he worked with and were very important in the end product made it into something that could be enjoyed by children but was not CHILDISH. There is a difference. Pretending that it was like the smurfs is disingenuous. Go back and look at all the footage of who was camping out and going to the movies back then. It wasn't tons of children. Further, again, I don't know a lot of children's fare that has severed limbs being a regular part of the proceedings. The tone of the first two movies is decidedly different than it was later on, which if you're being honest you'd admit. However, you want to hold on to what Lucas said as if there is no other factors at play, which is bad faith.
B. You said Star Wars was "at its core" about "goofy aliens". When it was pointed out to you that the first two movies didn't have goofy aliens, you respond by posting pictures of droids. That's bad faith because you couldn't counter with evidence of your own original statement. Additionally, R2 and Threepio aren't particularly goofy. They are comic relief characters at times, but all comic relief isn't goofy. It's a reach, and you know it, otherwise you would have given examples of aliens not droids.
C. When pointed out to you that the tone of Andor is closer to the original movies, you have no counter but to just keep repeating "Star Wars is for children and is about goofy aliens and space wizards" instead of giving an actual argument as to how it's so different from them. That's bad faith because you're not engaging with the points made - intentionally. Star Wars originally had a focus on fantastical elements of its universe such as Jedi/Sith, spaceships going to battle, etc but as it encompasses an entire galaxy with many different life forms, cultures, environments, etc. the possibilities are endless as far as what it can explore, and there are many examples in non movie/tv fare that don't use all of those elements but still make for compelling stories.
It's ok to just say "I prefer SW to be a certain style" as opposed to continuing to insist that your narrow view of what it is and should be is correct.
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breh thinks that this trailer is humerous - like recent star wars
also george lucas says a lot of crap (e.g. "ANH was originally episode 4") now that wasn't true back then. people need to source the original older quotes.
you can see the switch to more slapstick in the things that lucas added to the first two films.
change out demonic looking werewolf for more cuddly creature
he changed it so that han didn't shoot first. because in early star wars han was a gritty guy who did some very bad things.
in revisionist cutey star wars they couldn't let han shoot first.
breh thinks that this trailer is humerous - like recent star wars
also george lucas says a lot of crap (e.g. "ANH was originally episode 4") now that wasn't true back then. people need to source the original older quotes.
you can see the switch to more slapstick in the things that lucas added to the first two films.
change out demonic looking werewolf for more cuddly creature
he changed it so that han didn't shoot first. because in early star wars han was a gritty guy who did some very bad things.
in revisionist cutey star wars they couldn't let han shoot first.
IMO Star Wars was just basic good vs evil story you see in every fantasy flick.
It isn't meant to have grey or complicated characters.
That's why the "good guys" have blue or green laser swords and the bad guys have red laser swords or resembled Nazis.
You could watch Star Wars on mute and immediately know who the good guys are and who the bad guys are based on what I just mentioned.
That's why when you watched it as a kid it was never complicated.
My biggest issue with this show (which I am enjoying) is that it's a complete waste of time to do what they're doing in a Star Wars show because they'll be forced to go back to the traditional Star Wars elements..
The money that's gone to this show should have gone to something like Obi Wan which was actually trying to be what Star Wars is.
I've seen Andor described as a "corporate thriller" which is ridiculous to attempt in a universe that's pre-established as high spacy fantasy.
They were never for mature audiences
The director, the creator, has told you this himself.
You just don't want to grow up and accept the franchise for what it is.
George Lucas made Star Wars to get money off selling kids toys.
