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IMO Star Wars was just basic good vs evil story you see in every fantasy flick.

It isn't meant to have grey or complicated characters.

That's why the "good guys" have blue or green laser swords and the bad guys have red laser swords or resembled Nazis.

You could watch Star Wars on mute and immediately know who the good guys are and who the bad guys are based on what I just mentioned.

That's why when you watched it as a kid it was never complicated.

My biggest issue with this show (which I am enjoying) is that it's a complete waste of time to do what they're doing in a Star Wars show because they'll be forced to go back to the traditional Star Wars elements..

The money that's gone to this show should have gone to something like Obi Wan which was actually trying to be what Star Wars is.

I've seen Andor described as a "corporate thriller" which is ridiculous to attempt in a universe that's pre-established as high spacy fantasy.

So, lemme get this straight. You're upset at the fact this series is NOT doing the cliche Star Wars tropes and good guy/bad guy narratives? And how exactly would they be "forced" no pun intended? From what I've seen so far, you have Cassian, who clearly murdered someone because dead people don't snitch, and you have the corporate security main antagonist who's really doing his job JUSTIFIABLY in searching for the murderer of those corporate employees. Cassian a true morally grey character which he still was at the beginning of Rogue One and the corporate security who's even though tried to be by the book is essentially a "good guy" but for the wrong team. After the ending of episode three, we see how the Paradyme is going to shift to both becoming more radicalized for the cause where one will be for good vs the other for evil. It is an interesting look.

I personally applaud the showrunners in doing this and giving people a different outlook onto Star Wars lore that's so much needed. But if you want the same ol' same ol' there's so much other Star Wars stuff out now to watch.
 

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You are taking Lucas' words as THE gospel and conversation ender, but failing to take into account anything else. Anything else such as the fact that whatever he said, it was a collaborative effort by all accounts and the creatives he worked with and were very important in the end product made it into something that could be enjoyed by children but was not CHILDISH. There is a difference. Pretending that it was like the smurfs is disingenuous. Go back and look at all the footage of who was camping out and going to the movies back then. It wasn't tons of children. Further, again, I don't know a lot of children's fare that has severed limbs being a regular part of the proceedings. The tone of the first two movies is decidedly different than it was later on, which if you're being honest you'd admit. However, you want to hold on to what Lucas said as if there is no other factors at play, which is bad faith.

He's the man who created the franchise, why wouldn't I take his words as gospel? :mjtf:

The films were designed for 12-year-olds. I said that right from the very, very beginning and the very first interviews I did for A New Hope. It’s just that they were so popular with everybody, that everybody forgot that.”

It's y'all who won't admit it.

Returns was goofier than the first two. But the first two were never these serious movies and did not have the tone of Andor.

B. You said Star Wars was "at its core" about "goofy aliens". When it was pointed out to you that the first two movies didn't have goofy aliens, you respond by posting pictures of droids. That's bad faith because you couldn't counter with evidence of your own original statement. Additionally, R2 and Threepio aren't particularly goofy. They are comic relief characters at times, but all comic relief isn't goofy. It's a reach, and you know it, otherwise you would have given examples of aliens not droids.

With the exception of the empire, Aliens were everywhere, from Luke's planet, to some of the pilots, to the cloud word etc.

R2 and C-P3 not gooy? now you're trolling..

THIS WASN'T GOOFY?



:russ:

That scene could fit in with this show's tone?


C. When pointed out to you that the tone of Andor is closer to the original movies, you have no counter but to just keep repeating "Star Wars is for children and is about goofy aliens and space wizards" instead of giving an actual argument as to how it's so different from them. That's bad faith because you're not engaging with the points made - intentionally. Star Wars originally had a focus on fantastical elements of its universe such as Jedi/Sith, spaceships going to battle, etc but as it encompasses an entire galaxy with many different life forms, cultures, environments, etc. the possibilities are endless as far as what it can explore, and there are many examples in non movie/tv fare that don't use all of those elements but still make for compelling stories.

It's ok to just say "I prefer SW to be a certain style" as opposed to continuing to insist that your narrow view of what it is and should be is correct.

That's a lie, the tone of Andor is not closer to the original movies.

If it was this show wouldn't be heralded as a "Mature Star Wars" in the first place. Or be said to be treading "new ground" tonally.

The franchise is for children and there's nothing wrong with that, but you're just a Star Wars fan embarrassed that IT IS and precisely the type of one Lucas talks about here



It aint deep. It's Jedi are good, Sith are bad. Rebels/Alliance are good The Empire bad. Choose good over evil and do not be controlled by anger etc. It's BASIC as it's for KIDS. And that's why Harrison Ford wanted OUT after the first flick.

It aint this serious Blade Runner/Dune type universe you want it to be.
 

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So, lemme get this straight. You're upset at the fact this series is NOT doing the cliche Star Wars tropes and good guy/bad guy narratives? And how exactly would they be "forced" no pun intended? From what I've seen so far, you have Cassian, who clearly murdered someone because dead people don't snitch, and you have the corporate security main antagonist who's really doing his job JUSTIFIABLY in searching for the murderer of those corporate employees. Cassian a true morally grey character which he still was at the beginning of Rogue One and the corporate security who's even though tried to be by the book is essentially a "good guy" but for the wrong team. After the ending of episode three, we see how the Paradyme is going to shift to both becoming more radicalized for the cause where one will be for good vs the other for evil. It is an interesting look.

I personally applaud the showrunners in doing this and giving people a different outlook onto Star Wars lore that's so much needed. But if you want the same ol' same ol' there's so much other Star Wars stuff out now to watch.

Because it's planned as a multi season show, but of course it needs good viewership ratings and attract new subscribers to justify them pumping money into more seasons. Due the tone and stripped away elements it will not happen as it is niche in the Star Wars IP. So of course to get people to watch they will revert back to traditional Star Wars elements which what people tune into Star Wars to see. Not a space cop investigating crime scenes in a muted world.
 

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Because it's planned as a multi season show, but of course it needs good viewership ratings and attract new subscribers to justify them pumping money into more seasons. Due the tone and stripped away elements it will not happen as it is niche in the Star Wars IP. So of course to get people to watch they will revert back to traditional Star Wars elements which what people tune into Star Wars to see. Not a space cop investigating crime scenes in a muted world.

The tone is consistent to the tone with Rogue One. If anything, the tone should be expected to that film and most consider Rogue One as the best of the Disney Star Wars films. So, it's a moot criticism especially when a lot of the criticism with these Star Wars shows and the sequels been about the traditional elements of Star Wars without any depth to them. A lot of people, for instance, was sore at the Obi Wan series and how poorly executed that was due to trying to cling onto traditional Star Wars tropes.
 

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only the 3rd episode really pulled me in. that was good TV. Hope the rest of the episodes are on that level.
 

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Fourth episode was great. I think I'm going to end up liking this show more than the Mandalorian. This show really captures what I loved about Rogue One, and they're really nailing the worldbuilding so far.
 

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Skarsgard has been given good material to work with here, and he's making the most of the opportunity. Also, that Imperial round table meeting is some of the best work from any Star Wars property in a very long while.
 

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They were never for mature audiences :mjlol:

The director, the creator, has told you this himself.

You just don't want to grow up and accept the franchise for what it is.

George Lucas made Star Wars to get money off selling kids toys.

don't understand your own capitalism brehs :hhh: don't understand nerdom brehs :hhh:


does freddie krueger toys 1989 make nightmare on elm street a kids film ?



friday the 13th ?

 
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