Spin: When did you finally realize that Jay Z's discography is borderline trash?
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Whips-n-Chains
Chi
Dirt off your shoulders was and always will be trash to me and yes the best is hella overrated. fukk timbaland. Imma go on a whole rant in another thread about how overrated timbaland is and how much trash was put out in the 2000s that ppl hype bc of nostalgia or whack ass trends at the time.
Dirt off your shoulder beat was crazy to me back then but it’s cringe now lol. As far as his disco, vol 1 and 2 have some good great songs but I don’t consider them great albums. Vol 3 is wack to me along with kingdom come and bp2. BP3 aged like shyt for me but the singles still hit along with the intro and already home. The dynasty has some classic tracks..I’m in the minority I like MCHG. All the other albums not mentioned are great to classic level for me.
I like a lot of Boom Bap Hip Hop, but it's a dated sound. Still, you wouldn't catch me saying it didn't age well. There's a large sector of people who consider that music ancient and would claim it didn't age well simply because they don't like it and never really rocked with it like that. If someone posted that Gangstarr's "Mass Appeal" was garbage, they'd get roasted.
My point is there's a HUGE double standard on this board and ANYTHING commercial specifically music from 1997- present is low hanging fruit for posters to dismiss as trendy or didn't age well. Flat and shallow argument as Boom Bap was trendy as well. Same as G Funk and a lot of styles. Did classics come out of them? Certainly, but it doesn't change the fact. Even further is this, people claim Jay Z worked with trendy producers. Pretty much every producer he worked with was trendy, which includes Premo (who is a Top 5 Hip Hop producer). There was a point where he was every major East Coast release. Then after 2001, that changed.
My point is there's a HUGE double standard on this board and ANYTHING commercial specifically music from 1997- present is low hanging fruit for posters to dismiss as trendy or didn't age well. Flat and shallow argument as Boom Bap was trendy as well. Same as G Funk and a lot of styles. Did classics come out of them? Certainly, but it doesn't change the fact. Even further is this, people claim Jay Z worked with trendy producers. Pretty much every producer he worked with was trendy, which includes Premo (who is a Top 5 Hip Hop producer). There was a point where he was every major East Coast release. Then after 2001, that changed.
Ellen Degeneres
All Star
That underpaid or overrated line is coming back to haunt him nowadays. From the perspective of a mf who's going to be listening to Kingdom Come for the first time in 2022, there ain't much there. Hip Hop Is Dead has aged way better in comparison, it's not even a competition. Make no mistake though, every one of his albums up to BP3 were massive events, which made everyone else push their dates back. So I never want to hear about how his relevance "wasn't all that". Think he will eventually still be seen as an excellent rapper, but his discography and musical talents will get a downgrade in the court of public opinion. Just how I see it though.
Cloud McFly
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That nikka timbaland started making beats like he had an identity crisis...
These new york nikkas were loving those knock off southern tracks with no bass like lean back and dirt off your shoulder
....I want to hear tip drill get loose bytch shyt
Agree with the op but i’d take BP3 off the trash list. I liked that album.
Whips-n-Chains
Chi
Fair, timeless music stands the test of time. I can put on reasonable doubt and every track hits 25 years later, while timbalands shyt sounds like a mid 2000s time capsule that aged terribly.
I never like it then or now but I understand if others do.
Techniec
Drugs and Kalashnikovs
Put you on the Game, another garbage timbo beat
Timbo hip hop beats were overrated as fukk
The Booth: "Dirt Off Your Shoulders" ain't age well
Meanwhile:
^^^ this song is STILL a staple in Jay Z sets nearly 20 years later. "Oh, he only does that song because it was a single". Jay Z has 100's of his songs in his catalog. If this song aged horribly, please explained why it hasn't been replaced with other songs.
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^^^ this song is STILL a staple in Jay Z sets nearly 20 years later. "Oh, he only does that song because it was a single". Jay Z has 100's of his songs in his catalog. If this song aged horribly, please explained why it hasn't been replaced with other songs.
No cap, I've only attempted to listen to only one of Jay-Z's albums (Reasonable Doubt), and I walked away feeling underwhelmed.
I'll give The Black Album a spin.
I'll give The Black Album a spin.
Whips-n-Chains
Chi
I can't front, I fukking LOVED that beat in 04-05
Was one of the handful of timbo beats I liked, but none of this shyt aged well, nor did the neptunes ish...it all sounds like beats trying too hard to sound "futuristic," meanwhile all the sample heavy ish from 96 and prior sounds timeless afAll the mid 2000s shyt sounds like a time capsule of mid-grade music, but check the alchemist's ish from then or before and it STILL sounds fresh.