Spin: When did you finally realize that Jay Z's discography is borderline trash?

[The Dust King]

"AYO Technology" and "Candyshop" both pander to females.

That dirt off your shoulders isn't really a dance. It's basically a gesture that wasn't necessarily adopted into the hook, it just naturally goes with the song considering what he's saying in the verses.

we can agree to disagree

hov adopted a known popular move and incorporated it into the chorus

calling the song "natural" is beyond bizzarre considering you werent there for the process

also you said its what he says in the verses which is wrong. he only refers to the hook on the last bar of the last verse once.

the hook and the verses have nothing to do with each other

 

[winb83]

First 3 albums and blueprint and the black album, that’s about it

Other ones has no replay to them

When Jay retired and came back his quality fell off hard. At this point I don't think he could put together a run like Nas has with the King’s Disease trilogy. Jay can still put together a verse that gets people talking though.

 

[L. Deezy]

When Jay retired and came back his quality fell off hard. At this point I don't think he could put together a run like Nas has with the King’s Disease trilogy. Jay can still put together a verse that gets people talking though.

well, I will say Jay has way more depth now than back in the day. Nas had more of an uphill battle with haters and journalists with the KD/Magic series than Jay would have to face if he tried. I would love to see Jay put togther just a string of albums without chasing a big record. I think he did that for the most part with 4:44 which is a really good album

 

[Insensitive]

I know that..

but people in here thinking Jay got all these huge hits like Dirt of your Shoulder and Hard Knock life putting up streaming numbers off his albums. it aint.

Jay-Z is huge though, this is objective fact, whether or not he did it through singles where he's the sole performer or through collaborations
with other artists, this dude is legit one of the biggest musicians on the planet.

Legacy acts like U2 and Radiohead have LESS listeners on platforms like spotify in comparison to Jay-Z in 2022.

He's a legend through and through and that's about as close as we can get to showing that his music actually matters.

 

[JustCKing]

I know that..

but people in here thinking Jay got all these huge hits like Dirt of your Shoulder and Hard Knock life putting up streaming numbers off his albums. it aint.

Who said either of those songs were putting up streaming numbers?

That has nothingnto do with anything.

 

[JustCKing]

we can agree to disagree

hov adopted a known popular move and incorporated it into the chorus

calling the song "natural" is beyond bizzarre considering you werent there for the process

also you said its what he says in the verses which is wrong. he only refers to the hook on the last bar of the last verse once.

the hook and the verses have nothing to do with each other

The verses and the hook go hand in hand:

If you feeling like a pimp, nikka, go and brush your shoulders off
Ladies is pimps too, go and brush your shoulders off
nikkas is crazy, baby, don't forget that boy told you
Get that dirt off your shoulder

^^^ this is the hook

Said the ladies, they love me
From the bleachers they screamin'
All the ballers is bouncin', they like the way I be leanin'
All the rappers be hatin' off the track that I'm makin'
But all the hustlers, they love it, just to see one of us make it

^^^ explain how this verse doesn't go with the hook.

Nobody had to be there for the process as part of the process was captured and put in Fade to Black:

 

[L. Deezy]

Who said either of those songs were putting up streaming numbers?

That has nothingnto do with anything.

adding perspective to where his streaming numbers come from. pick any song off his albums then. They not what pushes his streaming more than the collabs

 

[The Dust King]

Nobody had to be there for the process as part of the process was captured and put in Fade to Black:

agree/disgree

i never saw fade to black before tho so ill watch this clip thanks

its possible this might change my stance

 

[Whips-n-Chains]

As it released. I’ve never been a big fan and had to suffer thru a lot of trash singles and overhyped albums.

Reasonable Doubt is one of my all time favs…Blueprint is dope but I don’t love it as much as most, only so much just blaze sped up vocal samples I can take in one sitting

Outside of that it’s mostly just random songs I like.

Hov a GOAT but I never loved his ear for beats….same for Nas.

 

[Wild self]

How can you say that Jay-Z's albums are trash, but praise 50 Cent and say that 50 made better music?

 

[spliz]

That ain't the only song either still listen to Can I get A, Hey Papi, Money ain't a Thang

I still fukk wit all of those. Lol.

 

[winb83]

All in all Jay made a lot of trendy music with hot at the time producers. I think his best work is Reasonable Doubt, In My Lifetime Vol 2, Blueprint, The Black Album, and American Gangster. Much of the rest of it is pretty uneven and most of his modern stuff is some of his most mediocre music.

Jay is a lot like Eminem in that if you cut his career in half the latter half doesn't quite measure up to the prior half. Jay didn't descend into making the drivel Em did though. After Eminem Show and to a lesser extent Encore Eminem really suffered while Jay kinda coasted but still put out acceptable but mediocre work.

Jay never really challenged himself to make any meaningful music until 4:44 at the very end. Much of his catalog is pretty vapid.

 

[Billy Ocean]

How can you say that Jay-Z's albums are trash, but praise 50 Cent and say that 50 made better music?

Who said that?

 

[Playaz Eyez]

Its a popping song that aged terribly. Classics dont age terribly...nobody in this thread letting that rock out in their car in 2022.

You got to get..that...dirt off your shoulder...lol. naw

I wouldn’t even let that rock in my headphones

 

[Nomad1]

I give Jayz a lot of credit he was able to shape the narrative around his career, and has done so really well.
He has a lot of average albums that the industry and his camel warriors keep trying to make it look like they're better than they actually are.
that "1 good album every 10 year average" line was pure projection.