Blueprint 2 was the only album of his I liked
Spin: When did you finally realize that Jay Z's discography is borderline trash?
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BP3 and MCHG are FARRRRR from trash.
MCHG I believe is going to age exceptionally well, and I wasn't a fan at first.
Same with BP3: What We Talkin' Bout, Thank You, Real As It Gets, A Star is Born, Venus vs Mars, Already Home, Hate, and So Ambitious are all good to great tracks and even Young Forever will age well and be a great song to throw on at a family party or just BBQin with some friends. That's 8 good to great songs and another good song equalling 9 out of 15 tracks as being good to great, and Run This Town and ESOM are monster legendary pop songs so really only 4 songs: DOA, On To The Next One (which a lot of people love, I hate it), Off That (same as OTTNO IMO) and Reminder (once again see description from OTTNO). This is a very good to great album IMO.
BP2 was just bloated, but it also had some of Jay's best work and could've easily been cut down to a great album.
Kingdom Come by and large is considered his worst album, but even that has it's redeeming moments, and most rappers would kill to have an album as good as that.
1. RD
2. BP1
3. American Gangster (which I believe suffers from dropping WAYYY too late, if this was released in 2000-01 it would've been hailed as one of the GOAT albums, it's fukking perfect lyrically and musically)
4. The Black Album (which is overrated in hindsight IMO, but I'd never argue against anyone holding it in high regard or considering it one of their favorites)
5. MCHG
6. BP3
7. Vol. 2 (used to be much higher to me but it hasn't aged very well IMO)
8. Vol. 1 (too Biggy-esque)
9. The Dynasty
10. BP2
11. Vol. 3 (same as Vol. 2, hasn't aged very well to me)
12. Kingdom Come (Jay's worst, and the average rapper would still kill to have created an album like this)
Can't see how anyone could seriously make an argument that his discography is borderline trash. Unless u want to compare his 12 solo albums against 12 of the greatest albums ever made in any genre by some of the GOAT artists, then no there is no measure by which to label his discography borderline trash.
Compare him to some of the other GOATs in rap:
Nas
Pac
Big
Rakim
Kane
Face
Cube
Just some names off the top of my head. This isn't to start a debate over the GOATs and their discographies, or saying that Jay's is the standard the other GOATs are held to, just that Jay's holds up to if not surpasses the other GOATs bodies of work, so if his discography is borderline trash then so are all of these artists' bodies of work, and we don't have a genre worth listening to or defending.
And god damn this new generations bodies of work are really really irredeemable.
TL:DR
fukk u, it's worth a read and it'll only take ya 5 minutes.
MCHG I believe is going to age exceptionally well, and I wasn't a fan at first.
Same with BP3: What We Talkin' Bout, Thank You, Real As It Gets, A Star is Born, Venus vs Mars, Already Home, Hate, and So Ambitious are all good to great tracks and even Young Forever will age well and be a great song to throw on at a family party or just BBQin with some friends. That's 8 good to great songs and another good song equalling 9 out of 15 tracks as being good to great, and Run This Town and ESOM are monster legendary pop songs so really only 4 songs: DOA, On To The Next One (which a lot of people love, I hate it), Off That (same as OTTNO IMO) and Reminder (once again see description from OTTNO). This is a very good to great album IMO.
BP2 was just bloated, but it also had some of Jay's best work and could've easily been cut down to a great album.
Kingdom Come by and large is considered his worst album, but even that has it's redeeming moments, and most rappers would kill to have an album as good as that.
1. RD
2. BP1
3. American Gangster (which I believe suffers from dropping WAYYY too late, if this was released in 2000-01 it would've been hailed as one of the GOAT albums, it's fukking perfect lyrically and musically)
4. The Black Album (which is overrated in hindsight IMO, but I'd never argue against anyone holding it in high regard or considering it one of their favorites)
5. MCHG
6. BP3
7. Vol. 2 (used to be much higher to me but it hasn't aged very well IMO)
8. Vol. 1 (too Biggy-esque)
9. The Dynasty
10. BP2
11. Vol. 3 (same as Vol. 2, hasn't aged very well to me)
12. Kingdom Come (Jay's worst, and the average rapper would still kill to have created an album like this)
Can't see how anyone could seriously make an argument that his discography is borderline trash. Unless u want to compare his 12 solo albums against 12 of the greatest albums ever made in any genre by some of the GOAT artists, then no there is no measure by which to label his discography borderline trash.
Compare him to some of the other GOATs in rap:
Nas
Pac
Big
Rakim
Kane
Face
Cube
Just some names off the top of my head. This isn't to start a debate over the GOATs and their discographies, or saying that Jay's is the standard the other GOATs are held to, just that Jay's holds up to if not surpasses the other GOATs bodies of work, so if his discography is borderline trash then so are all of these artists' bodies of work, and we don't have a genre worth listening to or defending.
And god damn this new generations bodies of work are really really irredeemable.
TL:DR
fukk u, it's worth a read and it'll only take ya 5 minutes.
When i realized I dont listen to much of his music
prophecypro
Hollywood North
U don't really believe this right? Nas "the nikka tape" don't have 600k views bro on the biggest mixtape site
Who cares what "views" it has on the biggest mixtape site
. It came out in 2008 before anyone measured views on mixtape sites like that and you were downloading your tapes from anywhere. It was praised heavily by XXL, Pitchfork and Spin. Spin even put on their best music of 2008 list. A mixtape.And Clue was dropping the most heard mixtapes in the late 90s and early 00s which had unreleased Nas joints. The Firm freestles/Jackin for beats 96 anyone?
Ineedmoney504
SOHH ICEY...WE EATIN
Who cares what "views" it has on the biggest mixtape site
And Clue was dropping the most heard mixtapes in the late 90s and early 00s which had unreleased Nas joints. The Firm freestles/Jackin for beats 96 anyone?
Man mixtape downloads was countin in 08 bruh. Wayne was getting a million download in a day. Nas my nikka. I'm gonna stop shytting on him
prophecypro
Hollywood North
A million downloads from various sites. But in terms of counting views that kinda started around 09-11
Either way who gives a fukk? Mad people heard that tape back in 08. And honestly how's Nas unreleased shyt any less known that say Murder Marcyville, Early this morning?
Ineedmoney504
SOHH ICEY...WE EATIN
No Wayne was getting a million downloads offs datpiff like in 06-07
prophecypro
Hollywood North
That's fine, doesnt mean people didnt hear or acclaim Nas unreleased stuff, especially in the late 90s/early 00s on NYC mixtapes.
Edit: also to my point the most downloaded mixtapes started this decade not last. All the Wayne mixtapes that did a million did it in 2012, 2013
The Top 30 Most Downloaded Mixtapes On DatPiff – Stop The Breaks | Independent Music Grind
Victorious Secret
5:55
Let me preface this by saying that Jay is an incredible MC and definitely one of my favorites of all time.
But let's be real: argument can be made that he has made the most dud ass albums out of any of the all-time greats. He has at least 4 trash ass albums (Blueprint 2 and 3, Kingdom Come and MCHG) and several underwhelming albums. And he had the gall to say Nas is batting a 1 hot album every 10 year average?
Speak on it @wingstop
The guy has 3 actual classic albums and you're calling his whole discography borderline trash.
Sometimes I wish they would require IQ tests to connect to the Internet.
Edit: @mobbinfms is a bytch
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This thread is an emotional petty response to the thread about nas's discography. Nas and Kobe fans are the most bytchmade insecure fan bases in the Internet.
Honestly, I think Jay-Z's output is comparable to LL. LL has classics (i.e. Radio, Mama Said Knock You Out). But LL fell off hella times in the 90's with many wack albums. The only reason I think LL doesn't get mentioned among the GOATs (he basically coined that term btw) is because the 80's and early 90's are like ancient history now. It's like how everyone loves Jordan but no one gives props to Dr. J or Magic anymore. And the Blueprint does sound dated as hell. Just reminds me of 6XL Galaxy tall tees, size 60 throwback jerseys and size 44 Akademiks jeans on size 32 waists and Sean Jean velour suits with head bands and Timbs. Those sped up soul samples don't sound like big budget big money top of the rap game production and never did
No mention of LL among the greats = no credibility whatsoever. No matter how ancient the times, he made an impact and basically laid down a blueprint in rap. From battling to classic songs to classic albums, LL across the board delivered on all fronts as an MC. The only thing he failed to do was deliver a worthwhile album last decade, but even then, he still delivered some bangers. There's a very short list of MC's that can say they did what LL did.
thewiseman
op
Be an idiot brehs
Uppp..
Should revisit this conversation seeing as how many people now wanna tell us Jay the undisputed GOAT.
Should revisit this conversation seeing as how many people now wanna tell us Jay the undisputed GOAT.
Y'all say the same shyt about nas and his discography in the same boat. 