Spike Lee - She's Got To Have It (Netflix Series)

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I haven't watched the last episode, but overall this was enjoyable, actually going to Brooklyn for a few days right after I started, Ft Greene park, and a few other show locales, made it that much better. It is very much too on the nose, and caricature driven, Spike's hand at writing and directing has grown heavy. There are some brilliant moments, and just little exchanges, the parody of the Brooklyn art scene, or when Jamie references Jay-Z "There's Been a Murder", it's overall a quality piece of work. Fat Joe was damn near chewing the scenery, in a hamfisted performance.

I think Insecure was just so much better, it highlights the flaws here, Insecure is so effortless in it's execution, and much better directed, feels more authentic, relevant, and timeless at the same time. This struggled with tone and seemed to veer between them rapidly, overdramatic to parody in a few seconds, there was a scene where "Anytime" was used, and it was dope to hear, but felt so overdramatic to the situations the characters were facing. There was a trip to jail by a character that seemed very over the top, I am not even sure you would be booked for that, likely a citation. There was also a political montage that was really well done. A mixed effort, but I appreciate the work, and I had no issues with the lead character, immature, sure, selfish at times, but someone who is still finding herself and knowing herself.
 

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you're going off stereotypes. i'm a woman - please take it from me, there are just as many women who can have no strings attached sex as there are those who end up catching feelings. don't get it twisted when a woman is interested in a guy yet "settles" for the fukk buddy situation and starts showing her feelings down the line, those feelings were already there. that's different from going into a friends with benefits situation where you don't feel anything for the guy and maintain a lack of feelings
Well I'll have to take your word for it but I never seen a women do well with the no strings attached situation is all I could say :sas2: From what I have seen usually women have to have some kind of feelings for a guy to even want to have sex in the first place. In the case of thots usually the women wants a relationship but she has a reputation of being a thot so no guy she wants wifes her. A guy who doesn't know her reputation is the one who usually for falls for her but she doesn't know how to be loyal and may not even really want him but settles for him.

With that said, I do agree with you that if a women catches feelings for a friends with benefits then the feelings most likley were there from the start but I've never seen a women go into a friends with benefits situation and have no real feelings. They usually settle for the friends with benefits thing but deep down they want more then that and that's me keeping it real. I couldn't count the friends of mine who would tell me stories about a chick they was piping and who was a friends with benefits who grew to like them and they had to curve them. I myself had a friends with benefits switch on me so I talk from experience but again I don't know it all so I'll have to take your word for it.
 

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If you spend enough time with women, of all different kinds, you will find they talk about men in very much the same way men (stereotypically and often truly) talk about women. A lot of men base their assumptions on male perspective of male/female relationships, and the women they know who reflect those dynamics.
 

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Well I'll have to take your word for it but I never seen a women do well with the no strings attached situation is all I could say :sas2: From what I have seen usually women have to have some kind of feelings for a guy to even want to have sex in the first place. In the case of thots usually the women wants a relationship but she has a reputation of being a thot so no guy she wants wifes her. A guy who doesn't know her reputation is the one who usually for falls for her but she doesn't know how to be loyal and may not even really want him but settles for him.

With that said, I do agree with you that if a women catches feelings for a friends with benefits then the feelings most likley were there from the start but I've never seen a women go into a friends with benefits situation and have no real feelings. They usually settle for the friends with benefits thing but deep down they want more then that and that's me keeping it real. I couldn't count the friends of mine who would tell me stories about a chick they was piping and who was a friends with benefits who grew to like them and they had to curve them. I myself had a friends with benefits switch on me so I talk from experience but again I don't know it all so I'll have to take your word for it.
you just said what i said in the post your quoted - the situations where women show/catch feelings are when they had feelings for the guy in the first place but settled for less. and as the FWB situation went on, those initial feelings can't continue to be suppressed.

and yes, women are capable of meeting a dude, hanging out with him a few times and deciding/knowing he's only going to be good for sex. women don't need feelings, but i will sex w/ feelings is much better for us, and at the bare minimum we do need attraction - thus the reason the men i'm just boning look way better than the dudes i date/am in a relationship with, i need that primal attraction since nothing else about him turns me on. for men, yall dont need feelings or even attraction, yall will settle for some shyt way outside your comfort zone/desires if it means you're fukking that night :heh:.
 

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you just said what i said in the post your quoted - the situations where women show/catch feelings are when they had feelings for the guy in the first place but settled for less. and as the FWB situation went on, those initial feelings can't continue to be suppressed.

and yes, women are capable of meeting a dude, hanging out with him a few times and deciding/knowing he's only going to be good for sex. women don't need feelings, but i will sex w/ feelings is much better for us, and at the bare minimum we do need attraction - thus the reason the men i'm just boning look way better than the dudes i date/am in a relationship with, i need that primal attraction since nothing else about him turns me on. for men, yall dont need feelings or even attraction, yall will settle for some shyt way outside your comfort zone/desires if it means you're fukking that night :heh:.
Right right, they try to play it off like they just friends and are cool with that but deep down they want the person so their real feelings comes out especially when they see the man's real girlfriend out with him. With that said I've only seen this kind of friends with benefit situation where the women accepts that role but wants more and not the type you speak on where there is only attraction but not real feelings. I'll take your word for it and consider that but I just never seen that is all.

As for your last sentence on men not needing feelings or attraction, I'm not gonna confirm or deny that :russ:That's between me and god lol. We can't discuss that one. Look at you trying to flip the script and shyt :mjlol: No comment.
 

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It’s been officially renewed for Season 2

Was just about to post this :ehh:. I liked the 1st season, curious to see how season 2 shapes up considering the note the season finale left on. Renewal is fairly early, it must have done somewhat well for Netflix.

If nothing else, we get more of DeWanda Wise :takedat:

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Not sure if this was posted but I randomly came across this. The artist who did the paintings for the show



She's some kind of weird feminist but there is her page lol
 
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Jamie is in a fukked up spot. At this point, the nikka might as well work shyt out with his wife. Her comments about where Jamie grew up were :mjpls: and :what: but, she did help him get established, despite her bougieness and stuck up attitude, clearly loves him and they got a family together. Jamie's problem is he grew up in the ghetto, wanted to get out, married the first pretty lightskin girl from a well to do family that he could. But after years of marriage, he feels like he sold out. Cheryl doesn't understand that side of him (nor does his son to be honest), looks down on him for it and he feels out of place in his own house. That whole dynamic reminded me of Chalky White's family in Boardwalk Empire. His wife treated him the same way, like the uncultured lower class nikka she married eventhough his money paid for everything in that house. Funny enough, the girl Chalky was fukking on the side is Nola's friend. Bad bytch :wow:



So he seeks out Nola because she does understand that side of him and she does make him feel reconnected to his blackness/upbringing. But at the end of the day, they wouldn't work either because he was trying to wife her and Nola is a thot. They clearly had different outlooks/worldviews. He's an uptown Upper East Side lawyer, she's a polyamorous cisgendered (whatever the fukk that means) Brooklyn artist. When he took Nola out to eat, he was clearly uncomfortable being seen with her. Smashing in her brownstone is cool but, her walking around his coworkers/friends in a freak dress is embarrassing to a nikka like him. Which is why Cheryl or another woman like Cheryl is who he will always end up with. And then, there's the dilemma of if he really wanted Nola or if he was just looking for any escape he could find because he was at such odds with his wife at home? Like Cheryl said, there had been tons of girls before Nola.

Cheryl is a hypocrite. If he was so ghetto and ratchet, why did you marry him? :what: You could've had ANY brother in New York City. There are TONS of Jack & Jill/Boule/Howard/Morehouse type nikkas up there who came from money and "good" backgrounds like she wanted. But she wanted that exciting nikka with some street in him. She probably thought them Fonzworth Bentley nikkas were cornballs back in the day but, now it's a problem. Her comments on his background turned me off because it had some real :mjpls: vibes but, I'll give her a pass because she did help him get started. He stay cheating on her. And, by the time of the shower scene, she does show some vulnerability in that she does care for the nikka. They're in that space where they probably shouldn't have got married because they were just from two vastly different backgrounds but, at this point, they should just work through it.

Greer is self centered/narcissistic/arrogant/in love with himself. I don't know what nikkas in here are talking about. He was clearly fukking mad bytches. In the bar scene half of them hoes were on him. He's only interested in Nola because she wasn't interested in him. It was a challenge. Borderline sociopath to be honest. Maybe that's too far. He's just very in love with himself. Their relationship is just about sex, because A) Greer just wants to get her to fall for him like the other chicks B) Nola knows he's completely full of shyt so she doesn't develop feelings for him. If she ever did date him, he would lose interest in days. I did appreciate his take on his upbringing in France. Probably the only part in the show where he came off like a real genuine person and not a massive dikkhead. When Nola tried to speak French to him it was kinda fukked up how he mocked her accent. I might be reading more into that than I should but, it felt like him saying she wasn't that cultured. Talking down to her. Wasn't the first time either as he mocked her art career or lack thereof.

Mars was mad extra but, funny. He seemed to be about 2-3 years younger than her. Their relationship didn't seem unrealistic to me. He made her laugh. Nola was stuck in a state of arrested development. She didn't know whether she wanted to be grown and sexy, and date an older cat like Jamie. Or to be young and irresponsible and date a nikka like Mars. Or to date a nikka that was as fukked up emotionally as she was in Greer. Mars probably had the most love for her out of everyone but, they wouldn't work because he don't got his shyt together and even though his fun and carefree nature gave her an escape from the real world, he was too dumb to stimulate her intellectually, which is what she got from Greer and Jamie.

I don't really get Opal's attraction towards Nola. A woman like Opal wouldn't want someone irresponsible like Nola. She would want a girl like Nola's friend (lightskin broad) that ran the museum. She even said herself that she was never as flighty/flaky as Nola so I don't know how she saw herself in her. Plus, with as many nikkas as Nola was juggling, I don't see how she'll be satisfied with a woman long term. If she was straight though, Opal would've been a good choice for Jamie.

I watched the show because it was intriguing. Digged the NYC/Brooklyn background. The hip hop/r&b vibe. Love watching shows about young blacks in their 20s/30s but, I didn't see much growth in Nola. By the end of the season, I really couldn't honestly say who she was supposed to end up with. And maybe that was the point. But I could easily see Season 2 starting and Nola being EXACTLY the same as she was in Episode 1. Nothing happened. No growth. She didn't learn anything. At least in Insecure, Issa has some sort of growth in each season or some sort of consequence for her actions. Maybe Nola should've gotten pregnant or kicked out of her apartment or had a public altercation with Cheryl. Something. I'll still watch it next season but, that irritated me. Also, all them nikkas having dinner together and dancing afterward was straight :duck: status. I also dated a chick that looked just like Nola so it was very weird watching her at points. Crazy how people have these doppelgangers out in the world. Sometimes Nola would make a facial expression and would have me like :ohhh: because it felt like I was watching my ex on television.
 
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