R.E.N. Spells Ren
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I haven't seen Red Hook Summer.
Chiraq was horrible. I don't even care about the controversy, the movie was just bad. Extremely disappointing.
Spike Lee - She's Got To Have It (Netflix Series)
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I haven't seen Red Hook Summer.
Chiraq was horrible. I don't even care about the controversy, the movie was just bad. Extremely disappointing.
Good point, she is practicing this stuff but living selfish and reckless with no real discipline. A lot of them chicks are like her too with the septum ring and everything lol, I just like the fact they put this in a show but you right
Though I can't say because there was no take away it sucked because some stories are just a story with no real moral or point. Spike told a story and told it well so I got to salute the writers one of them being Spike's sister and Spike for the work they did showing gentrification and black issues. However I didn't like the male characters in the beginning and I still don't like Greer and find Mars to be too stupid sometimes but they grew on me a lil, no homo. However the finale, that sucked! I mean I understandbut here it served no real purpose.the thanksgiving thing happened in the movie. I also don't like that there was no responsibility on her part, no accountability, in insecure Issa had consequences for her actions and they show characters that are rich and illustrate different expressions of the black experience. Even Molly who is a hoe, you see her wanting to be wifed up and her frustration with that. In this show all her fukk ups are magically fixed.It's almost a middle finger in their face as to say F you, your my bytch and you're gonna like it. Even them dancing together was so unbelievable, spike should have made them fight each other which is more believable
My girl was pissed at the last episode lmfao
Guvnor
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I think so too, it's like they wanted us to hate her and I played with the ideal that perhaps he is doing this to show us it's not right when men use women like hoes and if a women did that and had that power we wouldn't like it or something to that effect. I mean imagine if Nola was a man and this story was about him using three women, we might accept it more and call him a pimp. I think he's using Nola to flip the script and show us that double standard though at the same time I doubt it because it almost seems like he is encouraging this kind of behavior too by not showing her struggle too hard or have to face her actions without someone bailing her out, at least not yet. Maybe in season 2?I took it as though she wasn't going to allow social norms/traditions undermine her personal agency and decisions. With that comes a strong level of selfishness though. Thing is I am not sure if the selfishness is being written as something to be proud of or just to accepted as a harsh reality. There were several times watching where I asked myself "are they deliberately TRYING to make us dislike this woman"? because her a$$hole tendencies were on full display in several scenes.
I don't know though, I still don't get the take away because it's almost like he is encouraging covetous, femenist thots
Guvnor
Da Speculative Spectacle®
You should check out redhook summer then fam, imo that one was pretty good.
Lmao I could imagine, that shyt was horrible
Like how the fukk the season is gonna end on that note? The whole episode was stupid and unnecessary.
I think so too, it's like they wanted us to hate her and I played with the ideal that perhaps he is doing this to show us it's not right when men use women like hoes and if a women did that and had that power we wouldn't like it or something to that effect. I mean imagine if Nola was a man and this story was about him using three women, we might accept it more and call him a pimp. I think he's using Nola to flip the script and show us that double standard though at the same time I doubt it because it almost seems like he is encouraging this kind of behavior too by not showing her struggle too hard or have to face her actions without someone bailing her out, at least not yet. Maybe in season 2?
I don't know though, I still don't get the take away because it's almost like he is encouraging covetous, femenist thots
Its not a double standard though. Men who sleep around arent praised and they care called hoes. It would be one thing if she wanted to own being called a freak/hoe. Even Mars owned that he was a freak.
Even then she was going on dates with one of her “hoes”.
Cupcaking in bed with one of her “hoes”.
Inviting her “hoes” over for thanksgiving.
This is simp behavior. If someone is straight sex then you arent inviting them out to hang on dates.
And if she was a pimp all her “hoes would know anout each other amd be around each other and not being insecure about each other because she has them under control.
Nola is simply a Hoe who had a line up of simps who she let smash.
ogc163
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I think so too, it's like they wanted us to hate her and I played with the ideal that perhaps he is doing this to show us it's not right when men use women like hoes and if a women did that and had that power we wouldn't like it or something to that effect. I mean imagine if Nola was a man and this story was about him using three women, we might accept it more and call him a pimp. I think he's using Nola to flip the script and show us that double standard though at the same time I doubt it because it almost seems like he is encouraging this kind of behavior too by not showing her struggle too hard or have to face her actions without someone bailing her out, at least not yet. Maybe in season 2?
I don't know though, I still don't get the take away because it's almost like he is encouraging covetous, femenist thots
I wouldn't say encourage but more so presenting a lifestyle in a unapologetic way. As I stated before there was some downside risks for her other decisions/behavior I would have want to have seen presented, but the fact that there was no tangible downside risk for sleeping around doesn't really bother me.
It bothers be because black women are the number one victims of STDs and an overwhelming number of single mothers.
That life style yields nothing positive to black people period in the current state of america. “Free sex” is the least of black peoples worries right now.
R.E.N. Spells Ren
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I need to find it. Not on Netflix, not on Hulu, HBO or Showtime.
I've been meaning to watch it, but had no luck finding it. I'll try kodi tonight.
R.E.N. Spells Ren
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I think it should be noted that while Nola did have multiple partners, she wasn't out there fukking anything on a whim. She didn't have any one night stands or anything. She was in a "relationship" with each person she fukked in season 1.
ogc163
Superstar
And if I am not mistaken they were both of those things prior to the increase of the "Free sex" culture epitomized in this series, although I would gladly be open to seeing data/studies showcasing a strong correlation to the increase in those two things and the "free sex" culture. There were other behaviors/attitudes in the show that I find to be more problematic in real life than her sexual behavior.
Thats called simping though so it still cancels out the whole “men can do it but we cant” angle.
Nolas whole angle is simply flawed and her going all season without being checked and dealing with the consequences was simply terrible.
A “playa” aint inviting chicks he smashig to his crib for his b day lol.
Men and women have been hoes since forever. The issue is trying to put the empowerment angle on it because you dont want to own up to being a hoe.
But at the end of the day if thats ya thang do you but Im super straight on trying to act like that is a representative of “black” culture.
It damn sure aint a representative of my ancestors
ogc163
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How someone want's to conceptualize their sexual behavior is on them, and how much they do or don't give a fukk about how society views their behaviors is again on them. As long as one is aware that society will judge them, I don't see the beef. She wasn't unaware about how people viewed how she acted, she simply decided that wasn't going to stop her (albeit being annoyed with being called a freak) and be unapologetic about it. Maybe viewers wanted some emotional reckoning and are upset that their wasn't one.
I don't think anyone is trying to act like its representative of black culture,I'm not sure what the basis of that statement is.
I like this show overall. Even though it's not perfect by any stretch of the imagination, there's a lot of potential there. The script and characters have their flaws. But what show doesn't? People shouldn't look for shows that cure black peoples ills. This is a series. You need to give the characters room to grow.
