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:salute: for finally coming to your senses :obama:

If you want to see more c00nery and lost brothers peep this thread

http://www.the-coli.com/arcadium/82277-we-owe-spike-lee-huge-apology-8.html#.URFh5h1X0a8


Its a shame seeing brothers I thought were somewhat educated on here...with the whole uplift black ppl M.O. and posting in this thread looking dumb as a motherfucca.....I didn't read the whole thread but to say Django was educational ?? :wtf: for who? Someone who has no education?? To say that Django made us talk about slavery so it did some good......:dwillhuh: are you a dumbass??? If this is the type of movie that FINALLY makes you talk about slavery ...:to:

This movie did not spark intelligent debate...it sparked c00ns vs Brothers

If this ridiculous movie made you talk about slavery and your celebrating that ...YOUR LOST..........shyts sad :snoop:

For real. It's so stupid to hear the little five minute convos produced by this movie being considered as a step forward, while textbooks teaching our kids sanitizes slavery, resulting in going 20 steps back.
 

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there's nothing wrong with having an opinion, but you really need to remember the difference between your opinion and a fact.
I have no problem distinguishing opinion from fact.

django is creating conversation around slavery and race relations. this has been proven in this thread, so that's a fact.
This is not a fact. Where are all the conversations about race relations sparked by Django? All ive seen is people debating the movie itself. I have not seen any productive conversations between blacks and whites about race relations that were sparked by Django. There's nothing about the Django-related conversations on this site that is productive or even worth mentioning. These conversations that you keep harping on aren't changing anything. Your attempt to try and use conversations such as this one as some kind of justification or defense for QT exploiting slavery is pathetic.

django is educating people about slavery, and also leading people to research further about slavery on their own. this has been proven in this thread, so that's a fact.
Again, anyone who has been educated on anything regarding slavery watching Django is too stupid and ignorant to acknowledge. Slavery gets talked about every "black history month". Slavery is really the only part of black history that whites acknowledge. Get off of your knees, wipe your mouth, and stop sucking QT off. You're insulting me with this BS.

QT is exploiting slavery with django by making money off it. that's a fact. but it's also a fact that "exploit" is not automatically a negative word.
Obviously "exploit" is not a negative word regarding QT's use of slavery to push his fictional Hollywood blaxploitation movie to you,but that says something about you. You're probably white yourself or a wannabe white at the least.

saying QT made this movie strictly for entertainment purposes is your opinion. i dont agree with you because imo a movie set during slavery is IMPOSSIBLE to strictly make for entertainment purposes because it's way too emotionally charged of a topic to be strictly entertainment (as you can see) so there was definitely an specific intention with using slavery. but again, thats MY opinion.
Your opinion is invalid. QT just proved that you can make a movie using slavery as the backdrop purely for entertainment purposes, yet here you are saying that it's impossible. Django is a fictional movie, it's purely entertainment. I'll ask you again, what did you learn about slavery watching Django? Please answer the question and expose just how ignorant you are.

saying django was not made with the intention, at least in part, to educate, is also your opinion.
Yes it's my opinion. It's an opinion based on common sense. In your opinion, what parts of the movie do you think were meant to be educational? Go ahead and expose yourself.

it is also your opinion that django IS NOT educating anyone about slavery, but the evidence clearly does not support that assertion when you see people posting in this very thread talking about what they learned from django and/or learned as a result of watching django. so thats pretty straightforward.
No, what I said was that anyone who "learned" anything about slavery watching Django is an idiot. I haven't seen anyone point out something that they've learned about slavery from Django. Point me to the posts in this thread where people are claiming to have been taught something about slavery watching Django. Again, the movie does more to miseducate than it does to educate. There are clear inaccuracies in the movie.

Miss me with that "that's what so good about art" BS too. The thing about art is that anybody can call anything that they do "art". I can take a shyt on a piece of paper and call it art. Django is a movie, it's "art" just like the movie Soul Plane is art. You're only attempting to make it more than what it is to defend and justify QT exploiting slavery. Your agenda here is clear.

i find it interesting though. is it QT making the movie that pisses people off or the movie itself that pisses people off, or both? for example, what if a black person made this movie? would that individual be labeled a "sell-out" in your opinion?
The movie doesn't piss me off. White people are going to be white people, this is what they do. I'm disappointed in the people who are caping for QT, defending him at all cost. I'm disappointed in people like you who run from duck and dodge the truth. I'm disappointed in black people who throw other blacks under the bus in defense of this movie. Had a black man directed Django my feelings would be the same. Yes, the director would be a sell out. Django pimps slavery and black people as a whole. There's no getting around that.
 

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I have no problem distinguishing opinion from fact.

This is not a fact. Where are all the conversations about race relations sparked by Django? All ive seen is people debating the movie itself. I have not seen any productive conversations between blacks and whites about race relations that were sparked by Django. There's nothing about the Django-related conversations on this site that is productive or even worth mentioning. These conversations that you keep harping on aren't changing anything. Your attempt to try and use conversations such as this one as some kind of justification or defense for QT exploiting slavery is pathetic.

Again, anyone who has been educated on anything regarding slavery watching Django is too stupid and ignorant to acknowledge. Slavery gets talked about every "black history month". Slavery is really the only part of black history that whites acknowledge. Get off of your knees, wipe your mouth, and stop sucking QT off. You're insulting me with this BS.

Obviously "exploit" is not a negative word regarding QT's use of slavery to push his fictional Hollywood blaxploitation movie to you,but that says something about you. You're probably white yourself or a wannabe white at the least.

Your opinion is invalid. QT just proved that you can make a movie using slavery as the backdrop purely for entertainment purposes, yet here you are saying that it's impossible. Django is a fictional movie, it's purely entertainment. I'll ask you again, what did you learn about slavery watching Django? Please answer the question and expose just how ignorant you are.

Yes it's my opinion. It's an opinion based on common sense. In your opinion, what parts of the movie do you think were meant to be educational? Go ahead and expose yourself.

No, what I said was that anyone who "learned" anything about slavery watching Django is an idiot. I haven't seen anyone point out something that they've learned about slavery from Django. Point me to the posts in this thread where people are claiming to have been taught something about slavery watching Django. Again, the movie does more to miseducate than it does to educate. There are clear inaccuracies in the movie.

Miss me with that "that's what so good about art" BS too. The thing about art is that anybody can call anything that they do "art". I can take a shyt on a piece of paper and call it art. Django is a movie, it's "art" just like the movie Soul Plane is art. You're only attempting to make it more than what it is to defend and justify QT exploiting slavery. Your agenda here is clear.

The movie doesn't piss me off. White people are going to be white people, this is what they do. I'm disappointed in the people who are caping for QT, defending him at all cost. I'm disappointed in people like you who run from duck and dodge the truth. I'm disappointed in black people who throw other blacks under the bus in defense of this movie. Had a black man directed Django my feelings would be the same. Yes, the director would be a sell out. Django pimps slavery and black people as a whole. There's no getting around that.

you can easily read back through the thread and see where people are talking about what they learned as a result of django. and just because you and your circle of friends are not having quality conversations around django doesnt mean no one else is. if your conversations in real life about django mirror what you are providing here i can see why they are not productive.

but it's cool if some of ya'll didn't like django, everything aint for everybody. i personally enjoyed it and will be getting the quality bootleg from my guy asap.

to be honest i can see why some black people would have a problem with django. i just dont totally agree because i see the movie a different way. a black slave was victorious mentally, emotionally, and physically over white slaveowners and even the system itself. and he did it to save his woman. thats a beautiful thing :obama:

if anything you have to like this movie because it stirs the pot. everybody has an opinion on it, and it's usually a strong one. and imo anytime you can get people to even talk about america's history of slavery is a good thing because most people dont even think about slavery anymore. people rarely even bring up the covert racism that is still victimizing a large percentage of black people. so i like the fact django is acting as a catalyst. you worried about django the movie pimping black people but are you as vocal about the government pimping black people here in 2013?
 

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you can easily read back through the thread and see where people are talking about what they learned as a result of django. and just because you and your circle of friends are not having quality conversations around django doesnt mean no one else is. if your conversations in real life about django mirror what you are providing here i can see why they are not productive.
I can't easily see where people are talking about what they learned as a result of Django. I just told you that I haven't seen where anyone has said that they had learned anything from watching Django. Since your position is that people are learning from the movie, I directly ask you what you have learned and to point out where other people have claimed to learned something after watching the movie. Typically, you duck and doge the request and give BS response though. If you don't feel the need to back up what you are saying then why respond? Anybody can say anything. This is why I have resorted to insulting people on his site, you must think that I'm as dumb as you are.

but it's cool if some of ya'll didn't like django, everything aint for everybody. i personally enjoyed it and will be getting the quality bootleg from my guy asap.
This isn't about "liking" the movie or not. This is about being honest. This is about people like you not being able to be honest about the movie because you "like" it. Forget your wack justifications for liking it, don't let that get in the way of you acknowledging the truth. I'd respect your position if you'd just be honest and say "yea the movie exploits slavery and all that but I like it anyway". It's an insult when you try to run that "uh uh... it's teaching people about slavery....how do you know QT didn't make it to educate people.......at least it's sparking conversation" game on me though.

to be honest i can see why some black people would have a problem with django. i just dont totally agree because i see the movie a different way. a black slave was victorious mentally, emotionally, and physically over white slaveowners and even the system itself. and he did it to save his woman. thats a beautiful thing :obama:

if anything you have to like this movie because it stirs the pot. everybody has an opinion on it, and it's usually a strong one. and imo anytime you can get people to even talk about america's history of slavery is a good thing because most people dont even think about slavery anymore. people rarely even bring up the covert racism that is still victimizing a large percentage of black people. so i like the fact django is acting as a catalyst. you worried about django the movie pimping black people but are you as vocal about the government pimping black people here in 2013?
Sadly, you don't get where I'm coming from at all. Forget those little bones that you're talking about. "at least massa QT let Jaimie win against the slaveowners and save his woman" QT uses slavery to push his BS fictional blaxploitation story and you act like it's all good because he patronized you. He's laughing to the bank to the tune of $150+ million by pimping our history of oppression and you're happy because he pet you on the head and threw you a bone. You were right when you said that people interpret things in different ways, but you're a fool if you don't think that QT had that in mind while making the movie. There were conscious efforts to make the movie so that whites would interpret it in a way that was soothing to them and their feelings. You took what you wanted to take from the movie. All that "it's a beautiful thing to have people talking about slavery :to:" bullshyt you're trying to run is nonsense. Again, slavery is brought to the forefront every February. You're still being dishonest in an attempt to cape. I'm curious, are you a female?
 

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This is coming from the point of view of a non-black man, but I was more disturbed by the images and horrors of slavery in this film than I was with all other ones I have seen.

And I left the film and got home and spent a lot of time reading about slavery, from the standpoint of the actual physical cruelty inflicted on human beings. "Hot Box", staged fights, etc..

I realized I had read more on what happened in the Holocaust or Japan's occupation of China in regards to systematic violence and torture than I had about my own country's.

But I know most people didn't walk away in the same way.


This is actually something one of my white friends told me. I'm happy you were enlighten to research so if the movie did that, then great. With that said it only accents that Slavery has been watered down in American History which is basically with Mr. Gregory was saying in his comments. Our History books do not tell the full truth and kids in school are being lied to and denied the true history of Slavery cause America didn't want to look back. America had 2 Holocaust with what happen to the Natives and Slavery. But both have been watered down in our history. What happen to the Natives was genocide and what happen to the Blacks was cruel. As for the disturbing images. Watch the beginning of "Amistad" on that ship, ish like that happen.

 
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And how does any of that change what our kids are being taught in school regarding the deliberate sanitizing of slavery in our textbooks

Tea Party Groups In Tennessee Demand Textbooks Overlook U.S. Founder's Slave-Owning History
Bryan Monroe: How Texas' School Board Tried to Pretend Slavery Never Happened and Why Your Kid's School May Be Next
NAACP Criticizes Texas Textbooks For Watering Down Slavery And Civil Rights | Breaking News for Black America

Horray!!!! You found anecdotal conversations on slavery on a website!! Horray!!! Lets thank QT for the five minute conversation on slavery his movie produced!!! Guess what? I won't graduate to anything else but a few quotes.
 

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And how does any of that change what our kids are being taught in school regarding the deliberate sanitizing of slavery in our textbooks



:pachaha:when did this become the topic? django is supposed to change school curriculums now?

if you have a problem with the way public schools teach slavery then take that up with your local school board or city councilman. he asked for examples from the thread so thats what i provided.
 

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:pachaha:when did this become the topic? django is supposed to change school curriculums now?

if you have a problem with the way public schools teach slavery then take that up with your local school board or city councilman. he asked for examples from the thread so thats what i provided.

I have a problem with people thinking five minute talks produced by this movie is something meaningful.

"Wow....white folks talking about slavery and looking inwardly for about five minutes due to this movie. We're all better for it!!!"

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Niqqas still love when white liberals talk for a few minutes about race....
 

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I have a problem with people thinking five minute talks produced by this movie is something meaningful.

"Wow....white folks talking about slavery and looking inwardly for about five minutes due to this movie. We're all better for it!!!"

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:heh:

Niqqas still love when white liberals talk for a few minutes about race....

Would you rather them ignore it, and not talk about it at all? How can we move forward if we don't talk about it?
 

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Would you rather them ignore it, and not talk about it at all? How can we move forward if we don't talk about it?


They are ignoring it.

A five minute talk isn't graduating into a movement or change of any kind.

It just satisfies your need to see white folks happy at talking about it for a few minutes. Why don't you tell them to go to their local school board and ask for slavery to be talked about in textbooks?

There is no moving forward from this movie. This is what I mean about some of you making this movie to be "deeper" than what it is.
 

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They are ignoring it.

A five minute talk isn't graduating into a movement or change of any kind.

It just satisfies your need to see white folks happy at talking about it for a few minutes. Why don't you tell them to go to their local school board and ask for slavery to be talked about in textbooks?

There is no moving forward from this movie. This is what I mean about some of you making this movie to be "deeper" than what it is.

I don't say this movie moves anybody forward. I said conversations do, and you have to start somewhere.

If we react with "that's not good enough" to progress no matter how small it is, we will never make it to real progress.

You say I'm making the movie deeper than it is(which I'm not, there were some teachable moments, but ultimately it's just a movie) yet you wanna complain about it not changing school textbooks. You are putting more on this movies shoulders than should be expected from any fictional movie.

However you feel about the movie. Django isn't the problem. Real racism exists everyday, and we ignore it to be outraged about silly shyt like this movie.
 

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I don't say this movie moves anybody forward. I said conversations do, and you have to start somewhere.

If we react with "that's not good enough" to progress no matter how small it is, we will never make it to real progress.

You say I'm making the movie deeper than it is(which I'm not, there were some teachable moments, but ultimately it's just a movie) yet you wanna complain about it not changing school textbooks. You are putting more on this movies shoulders than should be expected from any fictional movie.

However you feel about the movie. Django isn't the problem. Real racism exists everyday, and we ignore it to be outraged about silly shyt like this movie.

Start somewhere?

Man please. It's a five minute conversation that you've manufactured into a movement.

I'm saying that its null and void, and pretty much meaningless.

And please...don't move the goal post talking about "real racism" as if institutional practices of it is something one isn't "aware of" because we're talking about Django. That's just some distractive shyt you're bringing up now as if one talking about Django in this thread means they're "ignoring" real racism.

That's just dumb.
 

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Start somewhere?

Man please. It's a five minute conversation that you've manufactured into a movement.

I'm saying that its null and void, and pretty much meaningless.

And please...don't move the goal post talking about "real racism" as if institutional practices of it is something one isn't "aware of" because we're talking about Django. That's just some distractive shyt you're bringing up now as if one talking about Django in this thread means they're "ignoring" real racism.

That's just dumb.
I haven't manufactured anything. A conversation no matter how small it is, is better than no conversation. If you really wanted to make progress you would be attempting to turn this small conversation into something larger and more meaningful, but instead you'd rather call people c00ns and complain about the movie.

And yes by complaining about django you are ignoring real racism. The real racism in Hollywood is the fact that black people don't get rolls. If we are going to protest django, we should protest the 15 movies coming out this year tha have no black people in them.
 
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