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Chuck D comes out in Spike's Defense on Twitter:

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Spike Lee a lotta blackfolk owe you an apology ,Tarantino couldnt've gotten away with making Django 20years ago ..word
 

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And? What is this " uh uh well other movies are exploitative too" cop out suppose to mean? I said that Django exploits slavery, not that it was the only exploitative movie ever made. The fact that people like you who feel the need to :cape: for the movie can't admit that it exploits slavery is telling.

i hear what youre saying. but if you water down "exploit" to the point where it simply means one entity is making money off another entity, then the word is basically impotent because everybody is making money off everybody and everything.

when most people hear exploit it is taken in a negative context. but making money off something should not automatically be taken a negative context.

is QT making money off of django? of course because he wrote and directed a successful hollywood blockbuster thats grossed about 150 million already. he shouldnt be paid?


You're confusing yourself. You did say that the movie was only made to entertain and not to educate. You even said it again right here.

im not being very clear thats my fault. here is what im saying:

1) my PERSONAL OPINION is that when art is created in any medium it should both entertain and educate, but that is only my opinion. the REALITY is, that in our society art can be made simply to entertain, and NOT to educate.

and the reason that's important is because we are not using my standards or your standards to judge what the purpose of this movie should have been because those are PERSONAL OPINIONS. you think django should have done more to educate? good, me too. but in reality, no one holds other movies to those standards, so its unfair to hold django to those standards. and i know folks said that because QT used slavery as a backdrop for the story that yes, in fact he does get held to a higher standard, but again, that is an opinion and not a reality.

2) but that being said, it doesnt even matter because django obviously IS educating people about the realities of slavery, as evidenced by the conversations and testimonials given within this very thread.

3) django is also creating a lot of dialogue around slavery and racial issues, at least amongst people of color. and conversations are the first steps toward growth and healing, so who knows what the outcomes will be.


Exactly. Qt knew that different groups would look a the movie differently. He figured out a way to make a fictional movie about slavery that was both entertaining to white and black audiences. That was his goal. Again, QT did not make this movie to educate anyone on slavery, he made this movie to make money. You can dance around that all you want but that fact remains. He pimped/exploited slavery and black people with this movie now he is laughing to the bank. Just because you like the movie doesn't mean you have to run from the truth.

ok but how do you know that though? how can you prove the bold? if we've already proven people are being educated as a result of this movie then how can you possibly prove QT had the opposite intention when making the movie?

stop passing your opinions off as fact bro. we can agree to disagree but we cant ignore reason.
 

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You could argue any film's educational merit because its a pretty low bar to pass. Simply presenting facts can film educational. Fact is Tarantio makes films for purely entertainment purposes. Look at his film history, its his m.o. He's a child of Hollywood, raised and educated (literally) by Hollywood.

If there are people out there learning anything from Django that they didnt pick up from schooling, it wasnt Tarantio's intention. Those people are already lost causes :yeshrug: and you shouldn't use that as a pass for Tarantio's nonsense.

All this film did was spark conversations of whether or not we should make more Slave films. Whether slavery should be treated with the same respect we give Native American massacres and the Holocaust... Theres no surprise Blacks are leading the charge in support. What little culture we have always get tossed and abused into Pop culture; Pop culture is primarily b*stardized Black culture. Liberal artsy types have been wanting to do shyt like this for years. I expect a wave of slave films in the near future.

I expected more of you @LeyeT:scusthov:
 
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i hear what youre saying. but if you water down "exploit" to the point where it simply means one entity is making money off another entity, then the word is basically impotent because everybody is making money off everybody and everything.

when most people hear exploit it is taken in a negative context. but making money off something should not automatically be taken a negative context.

is QT making money off of django? of course because he wrote and directed a successful hollywood blockbuster thats grossed about 150 million already. he shouldnt be paid?
I didn't water down "exploit", to exploit means to make use of something to one's own benefit. That's the definition of the word. Take your cape off. Everybody is not out here making slave movies. This isn't an issue of what QT should or should not do nor am I saying that he shouldn't be paid. I'm saying that his movie Django exploits slavery. QT used slavery as the vehicle to push his movie. Stop tapdancing and shuffling in an attempt to dodge that fact.




im not being very clear thats my fault. here is what im saying:

1) my PERSONAL OPINION is that when art is created in any medium it should both entertain and educate, but that is only my opinion. the REALITY is, that in our society art can be made simply to entertain, and NOT to educate.

and the reason that's important is because we are not using my standards or your standards to judge what the purpose of this movie should have been because those are PERSONAL OPINIONS. you think django should have done more to educate? good, me too. but in reality, no one holds other movies to those standards, so its unfair to hold django to those standards. and i know folks said that because QT used slavery as a backdrop for the story that yes, in fact he does get held to a higher standard, but again, that is an opinion and not a reality.

2) but that being said, it doesnt even matter because django obviously IS educating people about the realities of slavery, as evidenced by the conversations and testimonials given within this very thread.

3) django is also creating a lot of dialogue around slavery and racial issues, at least amongst people of color. and conversations are the first steps toward growth and healing, so who knows what the outcomes will be.
This is a bunch of nonsense. Serioulsy, anyone who actually "learned" anything about slavery watching Django is an idiot and doesn't even deserve to be acknowledged. Watch could you possibly have "learned" about the realities of slavery watching Django? If you didn't know that slaves were treated brutally, less than human, then that says something about you not the movie. If anything the movie does more to miseducate than educate. There are inaccuracies all through the movie. It's a fictional blaxploitation slave revenge film though, so it's not held to any kind of meaningful standards when it comes to accuracy. That's the point. It's just a movie made to entertain, not educate. Stop trying to make it more than what it is. Django has done nothing to spark any kind of intelligent conversation. You can't even get people to be truthful about the movie itself(people like you being proof), let alone slavery or race relations. What Django has done is illustrated how easy it is to pimp black people. It has also shown how protective some blacks are over white people.


ok but how do you know that though? how can you prove the bold? if we've already proven people are being educated as a result of this movie then how can you possibly prove QT had the opposite intention when making the movie?

stop passing your opinions off as fact bro. we can agree to disagree but we cant ignore reason.
I'm not your "bro". I don't have to prove anything, it's common sense. Again, Django is a fictional blaxploitation/western slave revenge flick. Does that sound like a movie that is intended to educate people on slavery? Nobody is being educated as a result of some fictional action revenge movie using slavery as the backdrop. You talk about not ignoring reason then post dumb shyt. "How do you know that QT only made the movie to make money?" Are you stupid or what? Of course Django is for purely entertainment purposes, that's not even up for debate. You clowns will say anything to try and defend the movie.
 

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I didn't water down "exploit", to exploit means to make use of something to one's own benefit. That's the definition of the word. Take your cape off. Everybody is not out here making slave movies. This isn't an issue of what QT should or should not do nor am I saying that he shouldn't be paid. I'm saying that his movie Django exploits slavery. QT used slavery as the vehicle to push his movie. Stop tapdancing and shuffling in an attempt to dodge that fact.



This is a bunch of nonsense. Serioulsy, anyone who actually "learned" anything about slavery watching Django is an idiot and doesn't even deserve to be acknowledged. Watch could you possibly have "learned" about the realities of slavery watching Django? If you didn't know that slaves were treated brutally, less than human, then that says something about you not the movie. If anything the movie does more to miseducate than educate. There are inaccuracies all through the movie. It's a fictional blaxploitation slave revenge film though, so it's not held to any kind of meaningful standards when it comes to accuracy. That's the point. It's just a movie made to entertain, not educate. Stop trying to make it more than what it is. Django has done nothing to spark any kind of intelligent conversation. You can't even get people to be truthful about the movie itself(people like you being proof), let alone slavery or race relations. What Django has done is illustrated how easy it is to pimp black people. It has also shown how protective some blacks are over white people.


I'm not your "bro". I don't have to prove anything, it's common sense. Again, Django is a fictional blaxploitation/western slave revenge flick. Does that sound like a movie that is intended to educate people on slavery? Nobody is being educated as a result of some fictional action revenge movie using slavery as the backdrop. You talk about not ignoring reason then post dumb shyt. "How do you know that QT only made the movie to make money?" Are you stupid or what? Of course Django is for purely entertainment purposes, that's not even up for debate. You clowns will say anything to try and defend the movie.

there's nothing wrong with having an opinion, but you really need to remember the difference between your opinion and a fact.

django is creating conversation around slavery and race relations. this has been proven in this thread, so that's a fact.

django is educating people about slavery, and also leading people to research further about slavery on their own. this has been proven in this thread, so that's a fact.

QT is exploiting slavery with django by making money off it. that's a fact. but it's also a fact that "exploit" is not automatically a negative word.

saying QT made this movie strictly for entertainment purposes is your opinion. i dont agree with you because imo a movie set during slavery is IMPOSSIBLE to strictly make for entertainment purposes because it's way too emotionally charged of a topic to be strictly entertainment (as you can see) so there was definitely an specific intention with using slavery. but again, thats MY opinion.

saying django was not made with the intention, at least in part, to educate, is also your opinion.

it is also your opinion that django IS NOT educating anyone about slavery, but the evidence clearly does not support that assertion when you see people posting in this very thread talking about what they learned from django and/or learned as a result of watching django. so thats pretty straightforward.

at the end of the day tho people are going to make the movie what they want. people will interpret it in their own unique ways. and it's all good cause that what's so great about art.

i find it interesting though. is it QT making the movie that pisses people off or the movie itself that pisses people off, or both? for example, what if a black person made this movie? would that individual be labeled a "sell-out" in your opinion?
 

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Lot of lost brothers in this thread shyt is depressing.


You probably think black face is educational and uplifting.
 

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Smart dumb nikka shyt. She for black power through economic segregation but she went to see Django Unchained 5 times with 5 different people (10 ticket sales for QT ). She said more than once that we need to stop watching TV and YouTube (she's on YouTube) because it's "theirs". What does she think DU is if not "theirs". Doesn't want sisters to take deadbeat brothers down for child support (so tax payers can pay for their kids). Sounds like a bird to me.

The Image awards made me want to cry. Seeing this fakkit QT up front with all theese grinning ass c00ns surrounding him.
 

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Smart dumb nikka shyt. She for black power through economic segregation but she went to see Django Unchained 5 times with 5 different people (10 ticket sales for QT ). She said more than once that we need to stop watching TV and YouTube (she's on YouTube) because it's "theirs". What does she think DU is if not "theirs". Doesn't want sisters to take deadbeat brothers down for child support (so tax payers can pay for their kids). Sounds like a bird to me.

The Image awards made me want to cry. Seeing this fakkit QT up front with all theese grinning ass c00ns surrounding him.

She trying too hard.
 

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Smart dumb nikka shyt. She for black power through economic segregation but she went to see Django Unchained 5 times with 5 different people (10 ticket sales for QT ). She said more than once that we need to stop watching TV and YouTube (she's on YouTube) because it's "theirs". What does she think DU is if not "theirs". Doesn't want sisters to take deadbeat brothers down for child support (so tax payers can pay for their kids). Sounds like a bird to me.

The Image awards made me want to cry. Seeing this fakkit QT up front with all theese grinning ass c00ns surrounding him.

yeah i dont know what that 'dont take guys to child support' was about, it sounds cooky, but i posted the vid cuz i thought it was a good little discussion overall

i found that black netflix she was talking about tho NBTV is a 24 Hour a Day Streaming TV Site
 

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The NAACP Image Awards had to nominate "Django" cause it was about the Black Experience to an extent so I understand why "Django" got the nod. But THANK GOD they were smart enough to not award it best picture. "Red Tails" was a BETTER IMAGE for Black History then "Django" will ever be. Glad George won that. Kerry Washington, Jamie Foxx and Sam all got awards cause Black America saw how Hollywood didn't nominate NONE of the Black Actors in the movie so they had to give them something. But "Red Tails" was again a better protrayal and image for Blacks than "Django" was:

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The NAACP Image Awards had to nominate "Django" cause it was about the Black Experience to an extent so I understand why "Django" got the nod. But THANK GOD they were smart enough to not award it best picture. "Red Tails" was a BETTER IMAGE for Black History then "Django" will ever be. Glad George won that. Kerry Washington, Jamie Foxx and Sam all got awards cause Black America saw how Hollywood didn't nominate NONE of the Black Actors in the movie so they had to give them something. But "Red Tails" was again a better protrayal and image for Blacks than "Django" was:

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I thought spike was hating, but after further analysis, he was right all the long and I'm ashamed I doubted the man who made malcom x for even second.

Django ain't nuttin but QT living out his Negro Fetish to the max man
when Jamie was talking about how Kerry want to get whipped for real, I was just thinking this was some shyt QT put her up to under the guise of making it a genuine performance. And how QT was crying and shyt is kind of disturbing, dude is kind of sick I know it's hard for black actors to get roles and shine, and gotta get their paper.

I'm happy for Red Tails won, but he seems like George will take any award he can get, because he ain't been shyt for a minute, didn't even acknowledge any of the cast or allowed them or the director to speak. fukk him too, nikkaz ain't never gonna learn, we gotta start producing or own shyt from top to bottom, its the only way we're ever gonna get portrayed right.
 

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I thought spike was hating, but after further analysis, he was right all the long and I'm ashamed I doubted the man who made malcom x for even second.

Django ain't nuttin but QT living out his Negro Fetish to the max man
when Jamie was talking about how Kerry want to get whipped for real, I was just thinking this was some shyt QT put her up to under the guise of making it a genuine performance. And how QT was crying and shyt is kind of disturbing, dude is kind of sick I know it's hard for black actors to get roles and shine, and gotta get their paper.

I'm happy for Red Tails won, but he seems like George will take any award he can get, because he ain't been shyt for a minute, didn't even acknowledge any of the cast or allowed them or the director to speak. fukk him too, nikkaz ain't never gonna learn, we gotta start producing or own shyt from top to bottom, its the only way we're ever gonna get portrayed right.



:salute: for finally coming to your senses :obama:

If you want to see more c00nery and lost brothers peep this thread

http://www.the-coli.com/arcadium/82277-we-owe-spike-lee-huge-apology-8.html#.URFh5h1X0a8


Its a shame seeing brothers I thought were somewhat educated on here...with the whole uplift black ppl M.O. and posting in this thread looking dumb as a motherfucca.....I didn't read the whole thread but to say Django was educational ?? :wtf: for who? Someone who has no education?? To say that Django made us talk about slavery so it did some good......:dwillhuh: are you a dumbass??? If this is the type of movie that FINALLY makes you talk about slavery ...:to:

This movie did not spark intelligent debate...it sparked c00ns vs Brothers

If this ridiculous movie made you talk about slavery and your celebrating that ...YOUR LOST..........shyts sad :snoop:
 
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