Spike Lee Goes in: "Django is disrespectful to my ancestors".....
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all i know is, when they 1st showed previews of that movie, last year, during the SB i believe, i reacted like, and had no intention of watching that garbage,so i understand why spike didn't go see it either
now, i will eventually watch it, just off the strength of all the attention its received, but i'll be damned if i pay to go see that shyt
I just watched the bootleg. A good copy too. The movie wasn't like I thought it would be. I respect Spike and I hate the racist Director QT.
Even though I respect SPike, he isn't all the way right. It is wrong that a racist blatant cac like QT made the film, but the film isn't bad. Jamie Foxx is good, the story line is pretty good, the film is OK.
Not something that is going to make us proud like the 'X' movie; but still in history their was African slavery, sometimes movies are made about sh1t that happened in history.
And No, Hollywood wouldn't have made an equivalent movie about the Jews. Never would happen, this is America. They still want us to believe that that holocaust was even comparable to African slavery.
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Well this kinda came out at the right time with all the Spike drama recently.
Well this kinda came out at the right time with all the Spike drama recently.
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the master was talking bout he was gonna kill & castrate the guy since he lost? What's the difference
All Spike said is that the making of the movie is disrespectful and you basically just agree so how was he even partly wrong? Spike was dead on, the movie is disrespectful. Hollywood doing this isn't surprising, but the thing that gets me is that there are so many blacks who are stupid enough to fall for the BS that was sold. Again I have to tip my hat to QT because he damn sure pimped a lot of black folk with this movie.
define exploit. because by standard definition:
ex·ploit
/ikˈsploit/
Verb
Make full use of and derive benefit from (a resource): "500 companies sprang up to exploit this new technology".
Noun
A bold or daring feat: "the most heroic and secretive exploits of the war".
Synonyms
verb. use - utilize - operate - milk
noun. feat - deed - achievement
again, you are imparting the responsibility of the movie to educate people about slavery or racism, etc, when that is not the responsibility of a movie, nor the typical role of a movie. the typical role of a movie is to entertain and it is up to the individual whether or not they extract some kind of education from the film being presented.
but that being said, i do agree our art is supposed to educate AND entertain, and THAT being said did you not hear our resident general TUH say the movie made him go and further research the reality of slavery? thats one example. that's one person on one message board, so there's no telling who else is now trying to educate themselves around slavery as a result of seeing this movie. people are looking up to see if mandingo fighting is real, people are researching shyt in this very thread, so that in itself is an example of people being educated as a result of this film.
again ill go back to original point of it is up to the individual whether or not they extract some kind of education from the film being presented. because unless you're in QTs head you cant know what his intention was in the creation of this film, and neither can i, so with that any interpretation of the movie itself is a subjective interpretation.
it wasnt about black love or black empowerment to you because thats the lens with which you have chosen to view the film. someone else's lens may be different. and BOTH views are legitimate because both are opinions. but naturally if you have two contrasting opinions, one opinion is bound to have more evidence behind it than the other. and thats what im getting at, let's have an honest discussion about the movie. but how can we even do that when yall are saying shyt like:
you can make a case that django and king play equal parts in the movie, and thats a valid debate. but candie? 
them.
the three brother slaveholders in the beginning.
his first bounty.
big daddy (pause)
and about a dozen or so of candies men that he clears out at the end, including candie himself because if you notice django had candie eaten out of his hand the entire movie until sam l puts him on game. thats mental domination.
then the 5 or 6 he demolished after candies funeral.
is that enough?
fair enough...this i agree with. but again, these are our judgements and not facts. nowhere is it written than anyone who makes a movie set during slavery must make the movie to educate. although this thread itself has already proven education about slavery and race can and are coming from this movie.
you know this for a fact?
and the slavemasters did have the slaves fight each other for entertainment during slavery. frequently.
the standard was not a fight to the death i dont think. but there were some sick, twisted slavers our there so i wouldnt be surprised if some slaveowners had their slaves fighting to the death for entertainment.
and the economic argument is not valid either, because any nikka can work a field, but not any nikka is a gladiator. remember these were gambling events and money was on the line. a slave winning fights is generating more revenue per pound than a buck in a field.
the standard was not a fight to the death i dont think. but there were some sick, twisted slavers our there so i wouldnt be surprised if some slaveowners had their slaves fighting to the death for entertainment.
and the economic argument is not valid either, because any nikka can work a field, but not any nikka is a gladiator. remember these were gambling events and money was on the line. a slave winning fights is generating more revenue per pound than a buck in a field.
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Dog...you're just talking. I gave specifics.
You just defined exploit. Did QT not use slavery as a resource for his fictional story? Is he not benefitting immensely? Do you not admit that the movie wasn't made to educate, but to entertain? Okay then. No need for me to read the rest of that drivel.did a quick search
MMALinker - The history of 'Mandingo fighting' | Fightlinker.comFightlinker.com
Slaves were sometimes sent to fight for their owners; it just wasn’t to the death. Tom Molineaux was a Virginia slave who won his freedom—and, for his owner, $100,000—after winning a match against another slave. He went on to become the first black American to compete for the heavyweight championship when he fought the white champion Tom Cribb in England in 1810. (He lost.) According to Frederick Douglass, wrestling and boxing for sport, like festivals around holidays, were “among the most effective means in the hands of the slaveholder in keeping down the spirit of insurrection.”
yea but by that idea every profitable movie or documentary ever made around slavery, is exploiting slavery.
i didn't say any of that. what i said is that movies (imo) should educate and entertain, but that is simply my preference, and that in reality a mainstream movie's main function is to entertain and not to educate. you took that as me saying that django didnt entertain AND educate, which is not what i said.at the end of the day though, the movie is what you make of it. some people look at django and see a victorious black man and his wife beating the system (if at least for a day), and a german (white) kill a slave master because of his hatred for what the slave master represented, almost on a john brown steez. other people look at django and see black victims redeemed by a white savior. it's all in how you look at it.
another example from this thread, some people look at that one pic and see a beautiful black woman looking sexy and QT lookin corny lol (imo), but some people look at the pic and start seeing daddy issues. art is up to interpretation
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Lol at QT front and center at the NAACP Image Awards
Lol at QT front and center at the NAACP Image Awards
i missed it what happened?And? What is this " uh uh well other movies are exploitative too" cop out suppose to mean? I said that Django exploits slavery, not that it was the only exploitative movie ever made. The fact that people like you who feel the need to
for the movie can't admit that it exploits slavery is telling.You're confusing yourself. You did say that the movie was only made to entertain and not to educate. You even said it again right here.
Exactly. Qt knew that different groups would look a the movie differently. He figured out a way to make a fictional movie about slavery that was both entertaining to white and black audiences. That was his goal. Again, QT did not make this movie to educate anyone on slavery, he made this movie to make money. You can dance around that all you want but that fact remains. He pimped/exploited slavery and black people with this movie now he is laughing to the bank. Just because you like the movie doesn't mean you have to run from the truth.at the end of the day though, the movie is what you make of it. some people look at django and see a victorious black man and his wife beating the system (if at least for a day), and a german (white) kill a slave master because of his hatred for what the slave master represented, almost on a john brown steez. other people look at django and see black victims redeemed by a white savior. it's all in how you look at it.
another example from this thread, some people look at that one pic and see a beautiful black woman looking sexy and QT lookin corny lol (imo), but some people look at the pic and start seeing daddy issues. art is up to interpretation
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GEORGE LUCAS BEATS QUENTIN TARANTINO at the NAACP IMAGE AWARDS as RED TAILS WINS BEST PICTURE:
"I BEAT QUENTIN TARANTINO" (LOL @ George with the Ether)
DJANGO did recieve two awards as Kerry Washington Won for Best Actress and Sam won for Best Supporting Actor. What I like about "Red Tails" winning was the fact that Hollywood did not want this movie to be made. They did not want a positive Black Story and Lucas put his money where his mouth is and financed the whole project. The NAACP rewarding "Django" as the Best Picture would of not been a good look. "Red Tails" also wasn't as bad of a movie as people try to proclaim either.
Sam gives congrats to George, Both Winners.
"I BEAT QUENTIN TARANTINO" (LOL @ George with the Ether)
DJANGO did recieve two awards as Kerry Washington Won for Best Actress and Sam won for Best Supporting Actor. What I like about "Red Tails" winning was the fact that Hollywood did not want this movie to be made. They did not want a positive Black Story and Lucas put his money where his mouth is and financed the whole project. The NAACP rewarding "Django" as the Best Picture would of not been a good look. "Red Tails" also wasn't as bad of a movie as people try to proclaim either.
Sam gives congrats to George, Both Winners.