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This is a very closed minded and hypocritical stance to take. You say something being exploitative doesn't mean isn't negative, and that django didn't bring forth any negativity about black people, but you still wanna bellyache about django being exploitative. If there is nothing negative about it, why does it bother you?
Why don't you explain how my position is close minded and hypocritical if you're going to make that claim? Making an accusation like that without backing it up means nothing. I don't see what's so confusing. No, the word "exploit" isn't negative on its own, and I didn't see any negative stereotypes being perpetuated in the movie(The movie was about slavery though, that means it had a built-in excuse to depict blacks as slaves, c00ns, ect). At the same time, it's a movie that obviously exploits slavery. That's not me bellyaching, that's me stating a fact. You're the one who's bytching. What's your problem with me stating that the movie exploits slavery?

In my opinion movies like django are good, because they keep our history alive. White people try to write slavery out of the history books, they try to act like it didn't happen. And people like you being so sensitive and emotional about the subject, allow them to do that. They'd rather not talk about it, and you'd rather them not talk about it, so who keeps the memories alive?
Well obviously I don't agree with you. In fact, this is the dumbest shyt I've heard in awhile. This is part of the reason why I decided not to support the movie. This is also the reason why I'm stressing the fact that the movie exploits slavery. People like you are dangerously ignorant. "movies like Django keep our history alive". :scusthov: That comment is so ignorant and stupid it's sad. 1st of all, Django isn't "our history", it's a fake made up story that was made into a Hollywood movie. 2nd, the only "black" history that white people will acknowledge is slavery. They rewrite ad white-wash our history when it comes to everything but slavery. This is why you will start to hear te same stories about slavery, MLK, Benjamin Banneker, ect that you hear every "black history" month. 3rd, while you're right when you say that whites can't even be open and honest about this country's history of oppressing black people, you're wrong in thinking that BS Hollywood movies like Django encourage whites to change. If anything, movies like Django give whites an excuse to continue downplaying slavery, the effects of slavery that can still be felt today, and the current institutional racism that continues to oppress us today. Movies like Django don't help, they hurt. It eases the guilt of liberal white racists, and perpetuates the victimhood mentality of te overt white racists. Again, Django is a fake made up movie not real history.


It's funny that you say I don't know what exploitative means yet you say a documentary would not be exploitative. If QT or any other director makes a documentary about slavery and sells it, he will be making a profit off of slavery therefore exploiting it. Your argument that django is exploitative is weak, because the nature of ALL movies dictates that they are exploitative going by the exact definition of the word. You have nothing negative to say about the movie, you just don't like the idea of a white guy directing a slavery movie, which is not a totaly off base opinion, but quit throwing this exploitative stuff around because it means literaly nothing at all.
Acknowledging that the movie exploits slavery is pretty important. You want to downplay, dismiss, and refuse to acknowledge that fact because you're a weak minded dishonest p*ssy who's scared of the truth. I clearly said that QT could have made a non-profit documentary if he wanted to do a project about slavery that wasn't exploitative. You can't even read. Saying that Django exploits slavery is a fact, how can the argument for saying that be weak? Django isn't based on real life stories or events, it's a made up story. QT deliberately used slavery as the backdrop of a film that was made purely for profit. There's no getting around this, stop ducking and dodging the truth.


Edit- To that other clown, I'm not going to waste my time reading that. My response, you're an idiot.
 

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Edit- To that other clown, I'm not going to waste my time reading that. My response, you're an idiot.


the main thing you need to explain is why you say in one post you have a problem with the dolls and then in another post you claim that you never said anything good or bad about the dolls
 

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Why don't you explain how my position is close minded and hypocritical if you're going to make that claim? Making an accusation like that without backing it up means nothing. I don't see what's so confusing. No, the word "exploit" isn't negative on its own, and I didn't see any negative stereotypes being perpetuated in the movie(The movie was about slavery though, that means it had a built-in excuse to depict blacks as slaves, c00ns, ect). At the same time, it's a movie that obviously exploits slavery. That's not me bellyaching, that's me stating a fact. You're the one who's bytching. What's your problem with me stating that the movie exploits slavery?

Well obviously I don't agree with you. In fact, this is the dumbest shyt I've heard in awhile. This is part of the reason why I decided not to support the movie. This is also the reason why I'm stressing the fact that the movie exploits slavery. People like you are dangerously ignorant. "movies like Django keep our history alive". :scusthov: That comment is so ignorant and stupid it's sad. 1st of all, Django isn't "our history", it's a fake made up story that was made into a Hollywood movie. 2nd, the only "black" history that white people will acknowledge is slavery. They rewrite ad white-wash our history when it comes to everything but slavery. This is why you will start to hear te same stories about slavery, MLK, Benjamin Banneker, ect that you hear every "black history" month. 3rd, while you're right when you say that whites can't even be open and honest about this country's history of oppressing black people, you're wrong in thinking that BS Hollywood movies like Django encourage whites to change. If anything, movies like Django give whites an excuse to continue downplaying slavery, the effects of slavery that can still be felt today, and the current institutional racism that continues to oppress us today. Movies like Django don't help, they hurt. It eases the guilt of liberal white racists, and perpetuates the victimhood mentality of te overt white racists. Again, Django is a fake made up movie not real history.


Acknowledging that the movie exploits slavery is pretty important. You want to downplay, dismiss, and refuse to acknowledge that fact because you're a weak minded dishonest p*ssy who's scared of the truth. I clearly said that QT could have made a non-profit documentary if he wanted to do a project about slavery that wasn't exploitative. You can't even read. Saying that Django exploits slavery is a fact, how can the argument for saying that be weak? Django isn't based on real life stories or events, it's a made up story. QT deliberately used slavery as the backdrop of a film that was made purely for profit. There's no getting around this, stop ducking and dodging the truth.


Edit- To that other clown, I'm not going to waste my time reading that. My response, you're an idiot.

I'll just stop here I haven't insulted you once, yet with every post you feel the need to insult me. If you had a valid point it's been lost in your ignorance. Good day sir
 

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On one hand you ask for historical accuracy, then on the other hand you complain that the end of the movie didn't throw history out the window.

:dwillhuh: What? If anything I asked for consistency between this and IB
If QT is willing to re-write history for IB, why not do the same for Django?

IB got to kill the whole virus, Django only got to relieve some of the symptoms.

Saying they will never give us movies about ancient Egypt, Babylon, etc has nothing to do with this movie. The fact is there aren't enough movies about us period. Most directors won't even touch black actors, or black stories, so for one as popular as QT to do it is a step in the correct direction.

:stopitslime:It has perfectly everything to do with this movie.Again there are plenty of slave movies about us and we get plenty of us playing slaves, maids, and "oh yes massa" roles how many times do you see us as pharaohs,kings, royalty, at the peak of civilization? If QT really wanted to take a step in the right direction he would have done a movie like that. I don't see anything different between this and The Help. Is "The Help" a step in the right direction too?

I've never heard QT say he was doing anybody a favor, so I don't know where you get that idea from.
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GrsJDy8VjZk"]Quentin Tarantino: 'I'm shutting your butt down!' - YouTube[/ame]

"To give black american males a hero" "To give them something to be empowered by"[paraphrase]

What makes django "overly exploitative"? Is it just the fact that its a fictional action movie or is there something more sinister going on?

I disagree with the stance that making a fictional action movie involving slaves is inherently wrong or exploitative. Slavery is a part of history and it shouldn't be off limits for people to give their take on it, or to try to write a story within the confines of its history.
On one hand you wanna say black people aren't respected by Hollywood, but on the other hand you wanna complain about this movie getting the full Hollywood treatment (collectors items, t-shirts,etc) wouldn't it be wrong for QT to treat this situation as different and to not follow through with his usual plans, you'd be calling that discrimination.

I didn't say he was doing us a favor. But more black actors were cast and payed to be in this movie than the last 10 big blockbuster movies. White people have been trying to forget about slavery and their history as slave masters for a long time, if anything this movie reminds them of the atrocities they committed, most of the comedy in the movie comes from the stupidity and downfall of white people, should we be up in arms about QT exploiting negativities about whites?

all the rest of this shyt is just:rudy::why::wtf:

i dont even feel like responding to this

so this is not a blaxploitation film?

:mindblown:

Are those black actors in this film not complaining about how they are not getting nominations?

how come the white actors are benefiting more from this film than the black actors?(see Christopher Waltz)

Did QT design this script for Jamie or did he design the script for Waltz?
(question is rhetorical)

The accolades Django is receiving says more about white people overcoming their "struggle with slavery" than blacks overcoming their struggle with slavery.

We'll use Django and say look how far we have come. We used to beat you,rape you, kill you, now make movies about beating you,raping you, killing you but we care enough about you blackies to throw some "feel good moments", comedy, and "Dr. King" in the mix and we deserve awards for our courage :stopitslime::stopitslime::stopitslime::stopitslime:

shyt deserves another award

The Most Pretentious Movie of The Year/Decade
 

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:dwillhuh: What? If anything I asked for consistency between this and IB
If QT is willing to re-write history for IB, why not do the same for Django?

IB got to kill the whole virus, Django only got to relieve some of the symptoms.



:stopitslime:It has perfectly everything to do with this movie.Again there are plenty of slave movies about us and we get plenty of us playing slaves, maids, and "oh yes massa" roles how many times do you see us as pharaohs,kings, royalty, at the peak of civilization? If QT really wanted to take a step in the right direction he would have done a movie like that. I don't see anything different between this and The Help. Is "The Help" a step in the right direction too?


Quentin Tarantino: 'I'm shutting your butt down!' - YouTube

"To give black american males a hero" "To give them something to be empowered by"[paraphrase]



all the rest of this shyt is just:rudy::why::wtf:

i dont even feel like responding to this

so this is not a blaxploitation film?

:mindblown:

Are those black actors in this film not complaining about how they are not getting nominations?

how come the white actors are benefiting more from this film than the black actors?(see Christopher Waltz)

Did QT design this script for Jamie or did he design the script for Waltz?
(question is rhetorical)

The accolades Django is receiving says more about white people overcoming their "struggle with slavery" than blacks overcoming their struggle with slavery.

We'll use Django and say look how far we have come. We used to beat you,rape you, kill you, now make movies about beating you,raping you, killing you but we care enough about you blackies to throw some "feel good moments", comedy, and "Dr. King" in the mix and we deserve awards for our courage :stopitslime::stopitslime::stopitslime::stopitslime:

shyt deserves another award

The Most Pretentious Movie of The Year/Decade

Exactly. The inner turmoil of Dr. King reflected that of modern day liberal whites and their feelings about the practice. All Jamie went off of was anger, revenge and want for his wife.

I didn't find the movie to be particularly deep. It was Kill Bill all over again except the lead had his teacher for most of the film. Wrap that up in black skin and suddenly its a hit that's deep.

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Strangely, I've yet to see a movie depicting the real-life horrific actions done to a group of people, injected with comic relief. That's like having the pianist movie, with comic relief in it

"bu bu QT made inglourious b*stards too about the jews" show me which comic relief scene followed the gas chamber scene

"bu bu he kill alot of white folks in the movie":stopitslime:

black folks don't need anymore help in conditioning them to view their history as not important and trivial. The half ass jobs by teachers from first grade to high school to "celebrate and educate" during black history is good enough conditioning, especially when it's complimented by the media
 

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:dwillhuh: What? If anything I asked for consistency between this and IB
If QT is willing to re-write history for IB, why not do the same for Django?

IB got to kill the whole virus, Django only got to relieve some of the symptoms.
Consistency would mean that action figures and t-shirts are ok. The two movies have nothing in common other than the fact that they touch on controversial history. What would be the equivelant for django to kill hitler? There is no one oppressor of slavery. ALL white people perpetrated slavery, ALL white people in django ended up dead or looking stupid.


:stopitslime:It has perfectly everything to do with this movie.Again there are plenty of slave movies about us and we get plenty of us playing slaves, maids, and "oh yes massa" roles how many times do you see us as pharaohs,kings, royalty, at the peak of civilization? If QT really wanted to take a step in the right direction he would have done a movie like that. I don't see anything different between this and The Help. Is "The Help" a step in the right direction too?
I haven't seen the help, but if black people got payed and it didn't reinforce negative stereotypes then yes it was a step in the right direction. Black actors can't find work, black stories can't find the box office. The more succesful black movies that are made the more chance we will have of telling the stories we want to be told.

Quentin Tarantino: 'I'm shutting your butt down!' - YouTube

"To give black american males a hero" "To give them something to be empowered by"[paraphrase]
:ohhh: although I disagree with him I still think that's a better stance than saying "black people movies don't sell, so I won't make one" which is what the rest of Hollywood says.

all the rest of this shyt is just:rudy::why::wtf:

i dont even feel like responding to this

so this is not a blaxploitation film?
No, blaxploitation films made cast black folks and payed them pennies to act like idiots, and stereotypical "nikkas" django doesn't do that.

Are those black actors in this film not complaining about how they are not getting nominations?
Realistically do any of them deserve awards?
how come the white actors are benefiting more from this film than the black actors?(see Christopher Waltz)
I disagree Jamie fox, keri Washington, and Samuel L all got a boost in popularity from this movie. Samuel L didn't need it but Keri and Jamie did. Also the success of this movie might make directors less apprehensive about casting black actors.
Django will lead to more black jobs in Hollywood. I'd say that's a good thing.
Did QT design this script for Jamie or did he design the script for Waltz?
(question is rhetorical)
:manny:

The accolades Django is receiving says more about white people overcoming their "struggle with slavery" than blacks overcoming their struggle with slavery.

We'll use Django and say look how far we have come. We used to beat you,rape you, kill you, now make movies about beating you,raping you, killing you but we care enough about you blackies to throw some "feel good moments", comedy, and "Dr. King" in the mix and we deserve awards for our courage :stopitslime::stopitslime::stopitslime::stopitslime:

shyt deserves another award

The Most Pretentious Movie of The Year/Decade

Again I disagree. The reactions I've seen from white people range from "slavery wasn't as bad as depicted in the film" "white people weren't that stupid/cruel" to "I'm ashamed of my ancestors" I think it's a good thing that this movie has opened a dialog about slavery because for a long time white people have been trying to forget it. After seeing this movie they can't forget it or downplay its significance, they have to live with the legacy they built.
 

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Consistency would mean that action figures and t-shirts are ok. The two movies have nothing in common other than the fact that they touch on controversial history. What would be the equivelant for django to kill hitler? There is no one oppressor of slavery. ALL white people perpetrated slavery, ALL white people in django ended up dead or looking stupid.



I haven't seen the help, but if black people got payed and it didn't reinforce negative stereotypes then yes it was a step in the right direction. Black actors can't find work, black stories can't find the box office. The more succesful black movies that are made the more chance we will have of telling the stories we want to be told.


:ohhh: although I disagree with him I still think that's a better stance than saying "black people movies don't sell, so I won't make one" which is what the rest of Hollywood says.

all the rest of this shyt is just:rudy::why::wtf:

i dont even feel like responding to this

so this is not a blaxploitation film?
No, blaxploitation films made cast black folks and payed them pennies to act like idiots, and stereotypical "nikkas" django doesn't do that.


Realistically do any of them deserve awards?

I disagree Jamie fox, keri Washington, and Samuel L all got a boost in popularity from this movie. Samuel L didn't need it but Keri and Jamie did. Also the success of this movie might make directors less apprehensive about casting black actors.
Django will lead to more black jobs in Hollywood. I'd say that's a good thing.

:manny:



Again I disagree. The reactions I've seen from white people range from "slavery wasn't as bad as depicted in the film" "white people weren't that stupid/cruel" to "I'm ashamed of my ancestors" I think it's a good thing that this movie has opened a dialog about slavery because for a long time white people have been trying to forget it. After seeing this movie they can't forget it or downplay its significance, they have to live with the legacy they built.
:what:

Jamie has an Oscar for Ray. He's very well known!!
 

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Consistency would mean that action figures and t-shirts are ok. The two movies have nothing in common other than the fact that they touch on controversial history. What would be the equivelant for django to kill hitler? There is no one oppressor of slavery. ALL white people perpetrated slavery, ALL white people in django ended up dead or looking stupid.



I haven't seen the help, but if black people got payed and it didn't reinforce negative stereotypes then yes it was a step in the right direction. Black actors can't find work, black stories can't find the box office. The more succesful black movies that are made the more chance we will have of telling the stories we want to be told.


:ohhh: although I disagree with him I still think that's a better stance than saying "black people movies don't sell, so I won't make one" which is what the rest of Hollywood says.


:what:

Jamie has an Oscar for Ray. He's very well known!!

:stopitslime: how many big movies has he been in since ray
 

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Popularity does not equal good roles. Plenty of black actors are popular that doesn't mean they have consistent work in Hollywood. Best believe Jamie earned himself a couple more roles from django.
Fair enough. But is it also fair to say Ray earned him the roles and popularity that got him Django?
 

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Fair enough. But is it also fair to say Ray earned him the roles and popularity that got him Django?

I agree. Point is if you talk to black actors they're main gripe is lack of work. Complaining about black movies not being authentic enough, or directors being racist for making black movies doesn't help their plight.
 

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I agree. Point is if you talk to black actors they're main gripe is lack of work. Complaining about black movies not being authentic enough, or directors being racist for making black movies doesn't help their plight.

Ok but just because theres scarcity in black movies that doesnt give them the right to make any ol bullshyt ass movie tho
 
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