Spike Lee Co signs Fat Joe "Black People and Puerto Ricans created one of the great art forms ever! Together! In the bronx! Undisputed!"

[Buddy]

with all the shyt goin on in the world, this is what we focusin on

 

[Uptown WaYo87]

Now y'all finally played the Big Pun card. Go ahead and name 10 more Puerto Ricans who could spit. I'll wait. You probably can't even give me five.

All this Puerto Rican influence and y'all got one rapper who's worth a damn.

Pun ain't even top 25 but y'all act like he was Biggie



More slick talk.

I guess Puerto Ricans created chicken and waffles since that was first made in Harlem and Spanish Harlem is a quick walk away.

How do you go from proximity to a 50-50 split on ownership? You lived two blocks away, went to a black person's house, and saying you own it because you mowed the lawn a few times.

That "we live in the same neighborhood" talk is not enough. I'm asking you what you created.

If you had such a hand in the music tell us why you can count the Rican MC's on one hand. What flows did you create? What classic albums do you have that influenced the culture?

KRS, Shan, Kane, Rakim, G Rap, Biz, Slick Rick, Kurtis Blow, NWA, Melle Mel, LL Cool J, Ice T, Public Enemy, Run DMC, EPMD, The Fat Boys, De LA Soul, Tribe, Heavy D....

Need I go on? Where are the Puerto Ricans? The Beastie Boys and Rick Rubin were doing more in rap music before you so I guess we gotta split hip hop three ways now and give white folks their cut.

Fat Joe ain't drop an album until 1993 but it's 50-50.

Y'all talk like us, dress like us, say nikka like us, leech off us, so what exactly do we need you for?

Y'all moving like the cacs who stole rock n roll but unlike them y'all don't even have the numbers to say you make up the vast majority of the genre. Y'all allegedly been here since day but are barely a factor musically. Make it make sense.

If a latino was in the back mixing the waffle batter everyday and maybe even changed a few ingredients then i would tell you the same shyt, but thats not the case

In this case the Latinos were living the culture through Graffiti and breakdancing, as Djs, as photographers like Joe conzo who captured all those early moments of Hip Hop.

Again, hip hop took years to develop into hip hop. Where do you draw the line on when it's creation phase ended? Is it when grandmaster flash invented the backspin and kept looping the breaks that kool herc popularized? Is it hip hop first official record? Hip hops first record label? Anyone involved in hip hop culture and that pushed the envelope so the culture can reach the world outside of NYC should all be considered Pioneers. Period.

And you saying big pun isn't top 25 just shows how much of a hater you are. He's in your top 5 favorite rappers, top 5 favorite rappers. Across the board. There's no denying the lyrical force that big pun was. Only a true hater can make a statement like that. Not even taking you serious after that one

 

[Uptown WaYo87]

You already tried rewriting history - bbbbbutt your white whataboutisms
subjects.

what does a factual statement about the world of game of thrones have to do with this thread? I still stand corrected, there's never been an Asian character in game of thrones

 

[Nicole0416_718_929_646212]

I’m not sure if u trolling right now :

Me and u born within a year of each other so I know nothing bout a 70s gang war between Latinos and AAs especially in The Bronx





Ayo I didn’t even notice because you said u couldn’t change it for a year

There was definitely gang dissension between Dominicans, Puerto Ricans and AAs going back as early as the 1950s, but it reached it’s full peak in the 70s. You’re being naive if you think out of hundreds of gangs there wasn’t conflict based on nationality. Documentary: Rubble Kings



"There were gangs literally at every corner. The violence was everywhere," said Lloyd "Topaz" Murphy, a former Ebony Dukes gang member, in the 2015 documentary Rubble Kings. "You could feel the tension in the air, you can see the fights across the street, you can hear the shouts in the night time."

Gang fights were endemic in these neighborhoods throughout the 1970s -- although one single death did change the course of this era's history. In 1971, Cornell Benjamin, a widely respected "peace counselor" of the Ghetto Brothers was killed while trying to break up a fight between rival gangs. Rather than seek revenge for the death of their leader as anticipated, the Ghetto Brothers called for a peace meeting among the warring gangs of the Bronx.

At least 39 gang members from 20 crews in the borough attended the peace treaty conference, now known as the Hoe Avenue Peace Meeting, and eventually led to a general truce in street violence across the entire borough.”



There was a whole meeting they had about this- due to Latino gangs sparring off against Black affiliated gangs:

Hoe Avenue peace meeting - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

The impetus for the meeting was the murder of "Black Benjie", a peace keeper of the Ghetto Brothers. While no lasting peace was ever established, a subsequent negotiation established a procedure for dealing with conflicts to avoid street warfare. The meeting is notable as one of the first attempts by street organizations to broker a truce between groups of different ethnic backgrounds. I hate using Wikipedia as a reference but due to my lack of time rn- it serves its purposes.

Which is what I think @HarlemHottie is referring to.


The impetus for the meeting was the murder of "Black Benjie", a peace keeper of the Ghetto Brothers. While no lasting peace was ever established, a subsequent negotiation established a procedure for dealing with conflicts to avoid street warfare. The meeting is notable as one of the first attempts by street organizations to broker a truce between groups of different ethnic backgrounds.

There was never a full kumbaya moment among the DR, PR and AA sets:

“
One of the Youth Services Agency's Bronx gang crisis squad, 27-year-old Eduardo Vincenti, "Spanish Eddie" (a veteran of the 1950s Bronx street gangs), began working on the grandiose notion of getting every major gang in the Bronx to sign an intergang treaty and alliance.[10] This giant alliance would be called "The Family", and every gang would become a division in the larger gang. The idea had just enough vision in it for gang leaders to be interested in its possibilities. Vincenti felt that once unified under a single name, the gangs could do virtually anything, if someone provided them with the right kind of social vision. The police admitted to the existence of as many as 10,000 gang members in the Bronx alone.[11]

Vincenti signed on 68 gangs to the coalition/treaty before he and 10 other crisis squad members were suddenly transferred from the Bronx and reassigned to Brooklyn, where he was shot in the face trying to prevent a gun battle in the West Farms neighborhood.[4]Vincenti survived to continue work on the Brotherhood Family in his spare time. Bronx Squad Crisis members believed the shooting was orchestrated in response to his attempts to broker a treaty.”


@HarlemHottie does not troll and she knows her history like no other whom I know, very well. No disrespect to you either. But facts are facts.

 

[Master Teacher]

You left out Dominican but other than that, this is a great point

I’m both AA and Latino so I got no dog in this race. I’d say AA people played a bigger role but there’s no way in hell anything (hip hop or otherwise) urban starts in The Bronx without Boricuas and Dominicans being part of it from the beginning or very early days at the very least.

Latinos didn't start anything they was just hanging around black people

Blondie technically has the first rap record ever released that was a major hit and introduced the mainstream to rap, does that mean hip hop was started by whites

fukk yall dumb muthafukkaz

 

[HarlemHottie]

I’m not sure if u trolling right now :

Me and u born within a year of each other so I know nothing bout a 70s gang war between Latinos and AAs especially in The Bronx

When I was growing up u was more likely to see Dominicans and Puerto Ricans beefing with each other than beefing with black people

Even the LK in NY was the most non unified gang prolly in history, there wasn’t this huge Latino camaraderie like people think

What u mean by this?

Im not sure if YOU trolling rn. We grew up in the new era, when hip hop was becoming profitable and everybody wanted to be down. Things occured before that. My brother came up during this period, and in the bronx.

yes it is, it's implied


I gave the back drop to how race/unity played out with black and ricans prior to HipHop so you can understand why they weren't there in droves in foundational years of hiphop. Before 1975, black and rican youth gangs were enemies which is why the same youth were nowhere to be found in early HipHop prior to the Gang truce





the gang element didn't fade out until like 75-77

read below




Castles In The Sky

Edit: Oh, i see my sister @Nicole0416_718_929_646212 already on it.

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

In this case the Latinos were living the culture through Graffiti and breakdancing, as Djs, as photographers like Joe conzo who captured all those early moments of Hip Hop.​

That was about 10-15 years AFTER it was already poppin'.​

 

[kingofnyc]

Edenwald

My peoples lived in Baychester!

Breh you from Edenwald? Get the fukk outta here

I’m from The Horseshoe

Graduated from Sousa

to my BX peoples

yeah …. after I got kicked out of Catholic school I went to Sousa Jr HS till I graduated then Evander Childs

 

[Nicole0416_718_929_646212]

Im not sure if YOU trolling rn. We grew up in the new era, when hip hop was becoming profitable and everybody wanted to be down. Things occured before that. My brother came up during this period, and in the bronx.



Edit: Oh, i see my sister @Nicole0416_718_929_646212 already on it.

There were the Ghetto Kings, Roman Kings - there were gangs based on nationality on like every 5 mile radius in The Bronx. My mom and her sisters got into a fight with one of those gangs Bc dudes were being “fresh” trying to get with them (their word not mine) -

My aunt carried a brick (not cocaine but an actual brick for self defense), as the family story goes. But they actually gave them respect Bc after awhile word got around that they knew my mom
And her sisters weren’t for play.

But anyway, to add to what you were saying:
Ghetto Boys a gang founded in New York City's South Bronx in the late 1960s. Like the Young Lords, they were involved in Puerto Ricannationalism, including, in the case of the Ghetto Brothers, an association with the then-new Puerto Rican Socialist Party. Puerto Rican gangs enter inspired by white groups like The Beatles - and we all know The Beatles stole their concepts and music from AAs. So no, the fuk PRs didn’t start hip hop. They stanned British white bands called themselves “the Junior Beatles”

Muy Gordo Joe and @Uptown WaYo87 needs to stfu, focus on his one good eye and stop trying to claim what’s not his story.

A Bronx Tale: The Story Of The Ghetto Brothers

The Red Bull Music Academy Daily is the online publication by the Red Bull Music Academy, a global music institution committed to fostering creativity in music. Just like the Academy, we think of it as a platform for the essential ideas, sounds and people that have driven – and continue to drive...

daily.redbullmusicacademy.com

“….happened to play out against a curious musical backdrop of intermingling local Latin rhythms and the British Invasion of 60s rock music. Somewhere out of all this tumult, the Melendez-fronted Ghetto Brothers also managed to tease out an eight-song album that was inspired by an adoration for The Beatles.”

 

[Devilinurear]

Rap predates Hip Hop. The B-Boys in the Bronxdale projects said they were trying to imitate this song and consider this to be the first rap song.

Slippery slope
If that is the case then you can make the argument that it came from England. They were rhyming to music in plays.

 

[HarlemHottie]

There were the Ghetto Kings, Roman Kings - there were gangs based on nationality on like every 5 mile radius in The Bronx. My mom and her sisters got into a fight with one of those gangs Bc dudes were being “fresh” trying to get with them (their words not mine) -

My aunt carried a brick (not cocaine but an actual brick for self defense), as the family story goes. But they actually gave them respect Bc after awhile word got around that they knew my mom
And her sisters weren’t for play.

Those were crazy days in the city. My family lived on grand concourse. My bro was in 7/8th grade with brass knuckles.

All this beef is why, when we were born, ppl were actually TRYING to be neighborly. It gave those who came after the false impression that we was always cool. Why yall think spanish mothers in the 90s hated nikkas so much, but their daughters loved them? Bc the mothers came up during the beef.

 

[Nicole0416_718_929_646212]

what does a factual statement about the world of game of thrones have to do with this thread? I still stand corrected, there's never been an Asian character in game of thrones

Dude shut your wanna be white skinned self hating ass the fuk up

@Uptown WaYo87 hates absolutely hates anything associated with blackness -

nikka i got that taino complexion i dont look black, i got a bunch of cousins who look black and a bunch of cousins who look white as shyt

He’s still mad:

Nyc nikkas regulate (LA nikkas take notes)

I don’t use either one - never have. Agreed. You’re right. My father is not a “sp—“ though. my father is a black from a spanish-speaking island. Im allowed to say it

www.thecoli.com

Notice how ]@uptown Wayho69 is quick to justify his use of the “N-word” but plays his “other” card when he wants to.

 

[HarlemHottie]

Slippery slope
If that is the case then you can make the argument that it came from England. They were rhyming to music in plays.

Its the cavalier ignorance for me...

Pigmeat Markham
Born	Dewey Markham April 18, 1904 Durham, North Carolina, U.S.
Died	December 13, 1981 (aged 77) The Bronx, New York, U.S

Ie, this exact man, a, whose proto- rap song "Here Come The Judge" was popular enough to reach 19 on the billboard charts in 1968, b, who followed the exact carolina- nyc path that 99% of our grandparents took, and c, WHO DIED IN THE BRONX and is buried at woodlawn , is somehow unrelated to the artform invented by his 'grandchildren' in this very same borough in the early 70s.

Yes, lets give shakespeare the credit.

 

[Uptown WaYo87]

Dude shut your wanna be white skinned self hating ass the fuk up

@Uptown WaYo87 hates absolutely hates anything associated with blackness -

He’s still mad:

Nyc nikkas regulate (LA nikkas take notes)

I don’t use either one - never have. Agreed. You’re right. My father is not a “sp—“ though. my father is a black from a spanish-speaking island. Im allowed to say it

www.thecoli.com

Notice how ]@uptown Wayho69 is quick to justify his use of the “N-word” but plays his “other” card when he wants to.

Why don't you pull up all the other post where I talk about scaling back on the n word? I'm dominican, always acknowledged my african roots, and yep I used the N (igga) word regurlarly growing up. I grew up in Harlem and the bronx, it's part of the vocabulary growing up in NYC. Does it still come out every now and then. Yea it does, but I'm human so it is what it is

 

[K.O.N.Y]

Slippery slope
If that is the case then you can make the argument that it came from England. They were rhyming to music in plays.

Ya gotta stop just saying anything

There is no lineal cultural progression from whatever that was, to hip hop or early rapping

There is one however from gospel hymns, from American toasting, hustlers convention, pigmeat etc