Sooo....no talk on Kiev's gradual descent into Mad Max beyond Thunderdome status??
- Thread starter 2Quik4UHoes
- Start date
I used to think like you when I was young and wanted there to never be any conflict in the world.
But you have to realize, that every inch you give up, folks like the Russians take MILES. LIGHT YEARS.
You can't capitulate out here because it WILL come back on you.
88m3
Fast Money & Foreign Objects
There isn't a debate whether there is an agreement for their base or not.
What are you even talking about?
No wonder people with college degrees end up working as baristas.
88m3
Fast Money & Foreign Objects
Logical fallacies for a 1000, Alex.
yseJ
Empire strikes back
I dont consider russians my enemies. and Im on neither side in the binary cold war. sorry. propaganda from both sides does make me laugh tho, so I guess thats a plus
I don't consider ACTUAL russians my "enemy" but there are aspects of the geopolitical framework that aren't to be taken lightly.
Whether or not you agree or not, russians DO want to diminish the very leverage Americans EN MASSE enjoy.
You can't just ignore that.
how so?
88m3
Fast Money & Foreign Objects
yseJ
Empire strikes back
[obviously I was talking about the country, not its people]
so do americans
like Ive said, theres zero difference between US and Russia acts on world stage besides what they use to justify their actions (democracy, human rights, etc on american side and really nothing much from the russian side; in that communism was more suited to russians, at least they had sound political ideology to lean on).
it devolves into "me against you" mentality, which is really a 3rd grade mentality as far as Im concerned.
ukraine is really just a small piece of pie that got west and russia worked up. whats sad is that regular people who want freedom there will not get it either way, just like they didnt get it 10 years ago, the new government is just the same 'orange revolution' power shift.
ukraine will either be a slave to russia or us/eu. its a poor country with no real export. I feel for regular people in predicament there... while the new far right nazi guys and old corrupt prorusski govt duke it out for power...
dont give a shyt about neither side
what!?How is everyone forgetting that the reason Russia has any standing in this is because of the EU's weak bid. How is that CONSTANTLY LOST. Do you realize why the EU is designing a 15billion loan right now? Because that was Russia's initial bid that beat them.
So let's rephrase your statement: He's wrong though. If America and the EU took their responsibility to support Ukraine more seriously, we would've been done with this conflict back in November.
Futuristic Eskimo
All Star
We're on the same page breh
Futuristic Eskimo
All Star
There's a valid argument to be made that the EU's us or them stance in this and their weak offer was a manipulation to cause these events. They knew what the situation on the ground was and that Yanukovych going back to the Russians would lead to a revolt in Western Ukraine. Now the west has basically successfully leveraged away the Western Ukraine from Russia's influence, which is a big plus.
How is everyone forgetting that the reason Russia has any standing in this is because of the EU's weak bid. How is that CONSTANTLY LOST. Do you realize why the EU is designing a 15billion loan right now? Because that was Russia's initial bid that beat them.
So let's rephrase your statement: He's wrong though. If America and the EU took their responsibility to support Ukraine more seriously, we would've been done with this conflict back in November.
Please elaborate.