Sooo....no talk on Kiev's gradual descent into Mad Max beyond Thunderdome status??
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putin is so ruthless... the whole world needs to turn against russia...
i wonder how the libyan invasion looked like...
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Are the US and the UK bound to intervene in Ukraine?
© AFP | William Hague (left) and John Kerry (file picture)
Video by FRANCE 24
Text by Thomas HUBERT
Latest update : 2014-03-03
As they visit Kiev this week, British Foreign Secretary William Hague and US Secretary of State John Kerry are being reminded that their countries signed a 1994 treaty guaranteeing Ukraine’s "independence and sovereignty".
Comments from US and British officials on Ukraine are under particular scrutiny as both countries signed the Budapest Memorandum with Ukraine and Russia in 1994, affirming “their obligation to refrain from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of Ukraine”.
The pro-European leaders of last month’s Ukrainian revolution have invoked the 20-year-old pact to lobby the US and the UK for support. Russian President “Vladimir Putin is fully conscious that by declaring war (on Ukraine), he is also declaring war on the guarantors of our security, the United States and Britain,” former Ukrainian Prime Minister Yulia Tymoshenko said in a statement on her website on Monday.
Under the treaty, the signatories offered Ukraine “security assurances” in exchange for its adhesion to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons, whereby Kiev handed over its nuclear warheads to Moscow in the wake of the Soviet Union’s collapse.
No guarantee of intervention under Budapest Memorandum
Yet according to Stephen MacFarlane, a professor of international relations specialised on the former Soviet Union at St Anne’s College, Oxford, Ukrainian leaders are also preparing for a scenario under which US and British involvement would remain verbal.
Despite Yulia Tymoshenko’s “war on the United States and Britain” rhetoric, the Budapest Memorandum offers no guarantee of intervention. “It gives signatories justification if they take action, but it does not force anyone to act in Ukraine,” Stephen MacFarlane told FRANCE 24. “[US Secretary of State John] Kerry’s harsh remarks on what is going on in Ukraine indicate a degree of resolve, but at the end of the day, what can you do?”
Ahead of his visit to Kiev on Tuesday March 4, John Kerry said in a television interview: “You don’t just invade another country on phony pretexts in order to assert your interests. There are ways to deal with this and President Putin knows that,” he added.
On his way to Kiev on Monday, British Foreign Secretary William Hague, too, criticised Russian intervention in Ukraine. “The sovereignty and the territorial integrity of Ukraine have been violated, and this cannot be the way to conduct international affairs,” he told the BBC, announcing that the UK had suspended preparation work for the next G8 summit in Russia.
While the US could use sanctions such as asset seizures to “make life hard for Putin”, MacFarlane noted that William Hague’s choice of words indicated “greater circumspection”.
Although the British foreign secretary warned of “consequences and costs” for Russia, he vowed to “do everything we can to calm tensions” and supported the German suggestion of mediated talks between Moscow and Kiev.
William Hague: "Consequences and costs" for Russia
Germany steering Europe away from confrontation with Russia
As the European Union’s foreign ministers gathered in Brussels to discuss the crisis on Monday, FRANCE 24’s international affairs editor Armen Georgian underlined the difference in tone between the American and European positions. “While the US is using very harsh language and talking about sanctions, the noises we’re getting from Brussels is the EU is not heading towards sanctions: it wants to keep lines of communication open with Russia, and a lot of this has to do with the German position,” he said.
“The UK has no military options, and a significant economic relationship with Russia,” said MacFarlane. Russia is the fastest-growing major export market for British goods and services. “We could take part in a sanctions regime, but we would probably be hurt more than the US,” the British-based academic added.
Meanwhile, Germany’s dependence on Russian gas and its even greater trade ties with Moscow influenced European policy as a whole, he said.
The credibility of Western powers is at stake in the region, where initiatives such as the Budapest memorandum flourished after the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991. Some nations managed to escape the Russian sphere of influence, such as the Baltic Republics of Estonia, Lithuania and Latvia, now EU member states.
Moscow successfully opposed attempts by other former Soviet republics to form alliances with the West, including during its quick war on Georgia in 2008. Nations such as Ukraine and Moldova remain in the balance.
Changing circumstances, not strategies
The 1994 treaty may have focused on immediate security and nuclear arms disposal, failing to envisage diverging interest between the US and the UK on one side and Russia on the other. Yet MacFarlane argues that there has been no major change in eastern and western strategies in Eastern Europe since the end of the Cold War, with competing influences affected by available resources rather than policy shifts.
“Under Yeltsin, the Russia state was in crisis, with low energy prices yielding low revenues; under Putin, revenues have been growing,” he said. “While Yeltsin did not have the resources to intervene in the region, Putin has – and he does.”
On the Western side, the US was deeply engaged in Europe in the 1990s. “They are now redirecting their resources towards Asia and would like to see the EU become more active in managing security in the region,” said MacFarlane – an elusive prospect given the diverging views expressed at the start of Monday’s meeting of EU foreign ministers.
http://www.france24.com/en/20140303-ukraine-us-uk-diplomacy-russia-budapest-memorandum/
© AFP | William Hague (left) and John Kerry (file picture)
Video by FRANCE 24
Text by Thomas HUBERT
Latest update : 2014-03-03
As they visit Kiev this week, British Foreign Secretary William Hague and US Secretary of State John Kerry are being reminded that their countries signed a 1994 treaty guaranteeing Ukraine’s "independence and sovereignty".
Comments from US and British officials on Ukraine are under particular scrutiny as both countries signed the Budapest Memorandum with Ukraine and Russia in 1994, affirming “their obligation to refrain from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of Ukraine”.
The pro-European leaders of last month’s Ukrainian revolution have invoked the 20-year-old pact to lobby the US and the UK for support. Russian President “Vladimir Putin is fully conscious that by declaring war (on Ukraine), he is also declaring war on the guarantors of our security, the United States and Britain,” former Ukrainian Prime Minister Yulia Tymoshenko said in a statement on her website on Monday.
Under the treaty, the signatories offered Ukraine “security assurances” in exchange for its adhesion to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons, whereby Kiev handed over its nuclear warheads to Moscow in the wake of the Soviet Union’s collapse.
No guarantee of intervention under Budapest Memorandum
Yet according to Stephen MacFarlane, a professor of international relations specialised on the former Soviet Union at St Anne’s College, Oxford, Ukrainian leaders are also preparing for a scenario under which US and British involvement would remain verbal.
Despite Yulia Tymoshenko’s “war on the United States and Britain” rhetoric, the Budapest Memorandum offers no guarantee of intervention. “It gives signatories justification if they take action, but it does not force anyone to act in Ukraine,” Stephen MacFarlane told FRANCE 24. “[US Secretary of State John] Kerry’s harsh remarks on what is going on in Ukraine indicate a degree of resolve, but at the end of the day, what can you do?”
Ahead of his visit to Kiev on Tuesday March 4, John Kerry said in a television interview: “You don’t just invade another country on phony pretexts in order to assert your interests. There are ways to deal with this and President Putin knows that,” he added.
On his way to Kiev on Monday, British Foreign Secretary William Hague, too, criticised Russian intervention in Ukraine. “The sovereignty and the territorial integrity of Ukraine have been violated, and this cannot be the way to conduct international affairs,” he told the BBC, announcing that the UK had suspended preparation work for the next G8 summit in Russia.
While the US could use sanctions such as asset seizures to “make life hard for Putin”, MacFarlane noted that William Hague’s choice of words indicated “greater circumspection”.
Although the British foreign secretary warned of “consequences and costs” for Russia, he vowed to “do everything we can to calm tensions” and supported the German suggestion of mediated talks between Moscow and Kiev.
William Hague: "Consequences and costs" for Russia
Germany steering Europe away from confrontation with Russia
As the European Union’s foreign ministers gathered in Brussels to discuss the crisis on Monday, FRANCE 24’s international affairs editor Armen Georgian underlined the difference in tone between the American and European positions. “While the US is using very harsh language and talking about sanctions, the noises we’re getting from Brussels is the EU is not heading towards sanctions: it wants to keep lines of communication open with Russia, and a lot of this has to do with the German position,” he said.
“The UK has no military options, and a significant economic relationship with Russia,” said MacFarlane. Russia is the fastest-growing major export market for British goods and services. “We could take part in a sanctions regime, but we would probably be hurt more than the US,” the British-based academic added.
Meanwhile, Germany’s dependence on Russian gas and its even greater trade ties with Moscow influenced European policy as a whole, he said.
The credibility of Western powers is at stake in the region, where initiatives such as the Budapest memorandum flourished after the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991. Some nations managed to escape the Russian sphere of influence, such as the Baltic Republics of Estonia, Lithuania and Latvia, now EU member states.
Moscow successfully opposed attempts by other former Soviet republics to form alliances with the West, including during its quick war on Georgia in 2008. Nations such as Ukraine and Moldova remain in the balance.
Changing circumstances, not strategies
The 1994 treaty may have focused on immediate security and nuclear arms disposal, failing to envisage diverging interest between the US and the UK on one side and Russia on the other. Yet MacFarlane argues that there has been no major change in eastern and western strategies in Eastern Europe since the end of the Cold War, with competing influences affected by available resources rather than policy shifts.
“Under Yeltsin, the Russia state was in crisis, with low energy prices yielding low revenues; under Putin, revenues have been growing,” he said. “While Yeltsin did not have the resources to intervene in the region, Putin has – and he does.”
On the Western side, the US was deeply engaged in Europe in the 1990s. “They are now redirecting their resources towards Asia and would like to see the EU become more active in managing security in the region,” said MacFarlane – an elusive prospect given the diverging views expressed at the start of Monday’s meeting of EU foreign ministers.
http://www.france24.com/en/20140303-ukraine-us-uk-diplomacy-russia-budapest-memorandum/
When the economy sinks and you have the threat of losing the currency war on the leading economy in the world. What do you do??????????
Digga38
The seperation between what's fake and what's real
Somebody got to get down or lay down....
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-...tion-stunning-new-leak-reveals-truth#comments
"Earlier today an even more shocking recording has been "leaked" this time one between the always concerned about human rights EU foreign affairs chief Catherine Ashton and Estonian foreign minister Urmas Paet, in which it is revealed on tape that all those photos of horrifying deaths of Ukrainians by snipers during the last days of the Median stand off, were in fact caused not by Snipers controlled by Yanukovich, but that the snipers shot at both protesters and police in Kiev were allegedly hired by Maidan leaders!"
been thought that those snipers were from neither side
theres levels to this shyt boiii
"Earlier today an even more shocking recording has been "leaked" this time one between the always concerned about human rights EU foreign affairs chief Catherine Ashton and Estonian foreign minister Urmas Paet, in which it is revealed on tape that all those photos of horrifying deaths of Ukrainians by snipers during the last days of the Median stand off, were in fact caused not by Snipers controlled by Yanukovich, but that the snipers shot at both protesters and police in Kiev were allegedly hired by Maidan leaders!"
been thought that those snipers were from neither side
theres levels to this shyt boiii
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yeah...not good
1h 40m ago
Summary
• Russian boats blocked a Ukrainian navy ship with about 50 officers aboard at a Sevastapol port and Russian soldiers patrolled the dock.
• Pro-Russian demonstrators took a government building in the southeastern city of Donetsk back from Ukrainian police in an ongoing tug-of-war. The demonstrators hoisted a Russian flag. InSimferopol, a group of pro-Russian demonstrators tried to block a military base and clashed with pro-Kiev demonstrators.
• Russia declined to withdraw its forces in Crimea to their bases.Foreign minister Sergey Lavrov denied the presence of Russians apart from the Black Sea fleet, who he said “are in their deployment sites” and are taking “additional vigilance measures.”
• US defense secretary Chuck Hagel said the US military is stepping up joint training through an aviation detachment in Poland and is boosting participation in a Nato air policing mission.
• The Nato-Russian council was to meet Wednesday in Brussels.In Paris, European foreign ministers met with Russian and US envoys to discuss Ukraine.
• US secretary of state John Kerry and Russian foreign minister Lavrov met one-on-one, briefly, to discuss the crisis in Ukraine. Kerry urged Russia to meet directly with Ukraine, the state department said.
• But Russia skipped a meeting the US and UK attempted to convene with Ukraine to talk about the 1994 Budapest memorandumarranging for Ukraine’s security in exchange for nuclear non-proliferation guarantees.
• The European Commission approved measures to help Ukraine amounting to at least €11bn in coming years. A US package for $1bn gained support in principle from congressional Republicans.
• Russian President Putin said he did not want political tension to detract from economic cooperation with Russia’s “traditional partners.” “We are seeing known political tension, it should not affect our current economic cooperation,” he was quoted as saying. The Ukrainian currency took a slide, meanwhile, and the prime minister warned of worse.
• International observers from 18 countries were scheduled to begin arriving in Crimea. Russian foreign minister Sergey Lavrov said Russia could not invite them there because only a host can invite and Ukraine is an independent country.
Summary
• Russian boats blocked a Ukrainian navy ship with about 50 officers aboard at a Sevastapol port and Russian soldiers patrolled the dock.
• Pro-Russian demonstrators took a government building in the southeastern city of Donetsk back from Ukrainian police in an ongoing tug-of-war. The demonstrators hoisted a Russian flag. InSimferopol, a group of pro-Russian demonstrators tried to block a military base and clashed with pro-Kiev demonstrators.
• Russia declined to withdraw its forces in Crimea to their bases.Foreign minister Sergey Lavrov denied the presence of Russians apart from the Black Sea fleet, who he said “are in their deployment sites” and are taking “additional vigilance measures.”
• US defense secretary Chuck Hagel said the US military is stepping up joint training through an aviation detachment in Poland and is boosting participation in a Nato air policing mission.
• The Nato-Russian council was to meet Wednesday in Brussels.In Paris, European foreign ministers met with Russian and US envoys to discuss Ukraine.
• US secretary of state John Kerry and Russian foreign minister Lavrov met one-on-one, briefly, to discuss the crisis in Ukraine. Kerry urged Russia to meet directly with Ukraine, the state department said.
• But Russia skipped a meeting the US and UK attempted to convene with Ukraine to talk about the 1994 Budapest memorandumarranging for Ukraine’s security in exchange for nuclear non-proliferation guarantees.
• The European Commission approved measures to help Ukraine amounting to at least €11bn in coming years. A US package for $1bn gained support in principle from congressional Republicans.
• Russian President Putin said he did not want political tension to detract from economic cooperation with Russia’s “traditional partners.” “We are seeing known political tension, it should not affect our current economic cooperation,” he was quoted as saying. The Ukrainian currency took a slide, meanwhile, and the prime minister warned of worse.
• International observers from 18 countries were scheduled to begin arriving in Crimea. Russian foreign minister Sergey Lavrov said Russia could not invite them there because only a host can invite and Ukraine is an independent country.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-...tion-stunning-new-leak-reveals-truth#comments
"Earlier today an even more shocking recording has been "leaked" this time one between the always concerned about human rights EU foreign affairs chief Catherine Ashton and Estonian foreign minister Urmas Paet, in which it is revealed on tape that all those photos of horrifying deaths of Ukrainians by snipers during the last days of the Median stand off, were in fact caused not by Snipers controlled by Yanukovich, but that the snipers shot at both protesters and police in Kiev were allegedly hired by Maidan leaders!"
been thought that those snipers were from neither side
theres levels to this shyt boiii
Wow, the fukkery is just
Digga38
The seperation between what's fake and what's real
unfukkin real....http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-...tion-stunning-new-leak-reveals-truth#comments
"Earlier today an even more shocking recording has been "leaked" this time one between the always concerned about human rights EU foreign affairs chief Catherine Ashton and Estonian foreign minister Urmas Paet, in which it is revealed on tape that all those photos of horrifying deaths of Ukrainians by snipers during the last days of the Median stand off, were in fact caused not by Snipers controlled by Yanukovich, but that the snipers shot at both protesters and police in Kiev were allegedly hired by Maidan leaders!"
been thought that those snipers were from neither side
theres levels to this shyt boiii
Not unreal it happened that way but unreal they so sloppy they talked on the horn....
Putin better fall back
Ron Paul: US shouldn’t meddle in Ukraine
Published time: March 05, 2014 19:39
http://rt.com/usa/ron-paul-ukraine-crisis-002/
Published time: March 05, 2014 19:39
“I think it would be nice if we considered the Ukrainians. It’s their civil strike, their civil war, and deciding who to run that country should be left to them,” Paul told RT. “Unfortunately, others get involved and it seems like its irresistible for the US to be involved.”
http://rt.com/usa/ron-paul-ukraine-crisis-002/
theworldismine13
God Emperor of SOHH
Ron Paul: US shouldn’t meddle in Ukraine
Published time: March 05, 2014 19:39
http://rt.com/usa/ron-paul-ukraine-crisis-002/
