Sooo....no talk on Kiev's gradual descent into Mad Max beyond Thunderdome status??

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Russia doesn't need to take Kiev. If they take Crimea decisively, other provinces in Ukraine will want to be annexed causing a bigger civil war. Putin could just be stirring the pot and showing his support and power so the Ukrainians that want to switch sides feel comfortable.

That might be part of it. I think Putin could be banking on the new govt being too inept to defend the country, which could turn the protesters on them and cause mass chaos within the EU favored opposition. Which would prove the Russian argument that the protesters are a bunch of illegitimate hooligans.
 

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Russia doesn't need to take Kiev. If they take Crimea decisively, other provinces in Ukraine will want to be annexed causing a bigger civil war. Putin could just be stirring the pot and showing his support and power so the Ukrainians that want to switch sides feel comfortable.
this sounds like a CIA wet dream :noah:
 

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It's a possibility, lets just say this Russia is more than capable of doing so if they felt it necessary. For the record, I don't think that will happen. I see a split before the Russians flat out take all of Ukraine.

Yeah I don't think they will either, that is why they will still end up with NATO at their doorstep
 

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Yeah I don't think they will either, that is why they will still end up with NATO at their doorstep

Peep my post above, I think Putin is looking to further destabilize/delegitimize the opposition in order to make them much less viable for NATO long term. Besides, what would be left of Ukraine may not want to associate with the West by then since they didn't step in to assist when Russia came knocking. It's not only a bold move but a smart move that Putin just made. He's not only challenged the EU/US to respond militarily, but he's put the new Ukrainian govt in a precarious position having to respond to Russia lest they want to appear weak to the mob at Independence Square. This was done knowing the Ukrainian military can't take Russia.

I see NATO arming the opposition if they haven't ended up fractured like the Syrian opposition.
 

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8.05pm GMT

NATO meeting
NATO will now meet at the behest of Latvia and Lithuania. Latvia’s population is almost 30% Russian, rising to more than 40 per cent in the capital Riga. Lithuania’s Russian minority is around 6%.

Latvia+Lithuania have invoked NATO art. 4 in response to#crimea NATO now obliged to hold emerg council meeting. Only 4th time in history

— James Mates (@jamesmatesitv) March 1, 2014
 

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Army on alert
Ukraine’s acting president has said that Russia has no justification for its aggression and has ordered the army to be put on “combat alert”. The prime minister of Ukraine has said that Russian forces must return to their bases in Crimea and any further military intervention by Moscow will result in war.
 

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Army on alert
Ukraine’s acting president has said that Russia has no justification for its aggression and has ordered the army to be put on “combat alert”. The prime minister of Ukraine has said that Russian forces must return to their bases in Crimea and any further military intervention by Moscow will result in war.

Aww shyt, :wtf: Putin gon be 'putin next? :whoo:
 

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5.14pm GMT

Tatars warned to stay at home
According to the BBC, Refat Chubarov, the head of the Crimean Tatar Majlis (assembly) says he is calling on Tatars to stay at home and not form resistance units. “Literally hours remain until catastrophe,” he said to the Gazprom-owned Russian radio station Ekho Moskvy. Tatars make up about 12 percent of Crimea’s population and have sided with the anti-Yanukovych protesters - now government - in Kiev.

Updated at 5.21pm GMT

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Army on alert
Ukraine’s acting president has said that Russia has no justification for its aggression and has ordered the army to be put on “combat alert”. The prime minister of Ukraine has said that Russian forces must return to their bases in Crimea and any further military intervention by Moscow will result in war.

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4.49pm GMT

One of the nationalist groups that were part of the demonstrations against former president Viktor Yanukovych has called on its members to mobilise and arm themselves.

According to Ukrainian Pravda, Sector Right called on all its units to mobilise.

This is their statement:

Being aware of all the dangers that are looming over the Ukrainian state, the headquarters of the Right Sector order all its units to mobilise and arm, and depending on the specific situation to coordinate with the armed forces.

We remind all citizens of Ukraine regardless of nationality (including Russians ) that our struggle is anti-imperial , not Russophobe. Russian empire will be destroyed. Urge Resistance Movement Caucasus and all liberation movements in Russia to step up their activities.

Updated at 7.54pm GMT
 

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12.26pm GMT

According to various Russian and Ukrainian reports, the crisis is spreading from Crimea to other parts of the Ukraine. There are reports that pro-Russian demonstrators in Donestsk and Kharkiv have attempted to take parliament buildings.

12.23pm GMT

Raid on naval base
Kiev-based Unian report some more worrying developments.

The State Border Guard Service of Ukraine said that about 300 soldiers are trying to capture a Sevastopol naval bases. Ukrainian ships have ordered to sea.

It is not clear if weapons are being fired or if there are any injuries.


Updated at 1.23pm GMT
 

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11.03am GMT

Ukraine to lose Russian gas discount
Here’s more from Reuters on Gazprom.

Ukraine may lose a discount to the gas price it now pays to Russia’s state gas company Gazprom due to Kiev’s outstanding gas debt, Gazprom spokesman Sergei Kupriyanov told Reuters on Saturday.
In December, Russia agreed to reduce gas prices for Kiev by about a third, to $268.50 per 1,000 cubic metres from around $400 which Ukraine had paid since 2009, after ousted President Viktor Yanukovich spurned an EU trade deal in favour of closer ties to Moscow.
Kupriyanov said Ukraine’s outstanding gas debt stood at $1.55 billion for 2013 and gas deliveries so far this year.
“It seems that with such gas payments and fulfilment of its obligations Ukraine may not keep its current gas discount. The gas discount agreement assumed full and timely payment,” he said.
The deal allowed for the price to be revised quarterly between the 5th and 10th day of the first month every quarter.

Updated at 1.24pm GMT
 

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