Nah, actually it's been reported that some of those Ukrainian soldiers in Crimea switched sides. It's not a majority by no means, but there actually have been defections.
Sooo....no talk on Kiev's gradual descent into Mad Max beyond Thunderdome status??
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Nah, actually it's been reported that some of those Ukrainian soldiers in Crimea switched sides. It's not a majority by no means, but there actually have been defections.
theworldismine13
God Emperor of SOHH
there hasnt been any defections of soldiers inside ukraine of any significance, ukraine has tactical control over their territory, meaning all the roads leading into ukraine are manned, if the russians come there will be a firefight, and the nato planes will come, it will not be like crimea
Yeah...
I don't know breh. From what i've read, there have been hundreds to defect. Vice (if you like their reporting or not) has a commander on one of the vids who said of his unit of 110, about 50 literally defected. Not abandoned. Defected.
Thats nothing to balk at.
I'm not giving either of them an apology because Russia would have tried this shyt regardless.
im talking about the military build up on the borders
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/russian-troop-buildup-now-covers-entire-ukrainian-border/
The buildup of Russian troops now covers essentially the entire Ukrainian border - with some soldiers as close as 50 kilometers away, CBS News national security correspondent David Martin reports.
The buildup is raising serious concerns that Russia could invade Ukraine proper.
Great comment.
This is part of why the west won. The APPEARANCE of freedom does wonders. The CIA even sponsored Jackson Pollack art events to send teh message that the West was culturally more open and creative than Russia.
The culture wars matter.
Which is why Putin had to force all of the oligarchs to stop stashing bread overseas?
Which is why ex-soviet states are trying to rejoin? (Peep moldova)
Putin once bragged to Obama that he could change the constitution and asked why Obama didn't do the same so he could stay in power.
Those were russian soldiers with no badges. I guess that magic trick worke don you too
The irony
Nah breh. Like I said it isn't a majority but it's noticeable enough.
Breh, at this point I think the aim for Putin was to secure his military interests in Crimea first and cause more political turmoil within Ukraine itself secondly. From the Russian perspective, they can't risk simply invading Ukraine because while Crimea is one thing, the Pro Russian sentiments in the East and South of the country aren't nearly as defined. Plus how the fukk does Ukraine have tactical control in its territory when the govt can't even reign in the armed extremist elements within it? How do you have tactical control when your territory is basically deebo'd off you without a shot being fired between soldiers. Playin devil's advocate, if China or Russia were to gain influence in territories close to America with the intention of adding strong economic ties and military installations later on then our govt would be goin apeshyt too in fact we probably wouldn't of shown the level of restraint(For lack of a better term
) Russia has. 
Because lacking detail, the comment is pointless.
Russia wasn't a threat until Ukrainian politics fell inward.
You almost can't blame Putin.
Its spring time and opportunities like this don't present themselves often.
Gotta strike while the iron is hot.
Its spring time and opportunities like this don't present themselves often.
Gotta strike while the iron is hot.
Ukraine was the straw that broke the hova's back. It's only so long that Nato/EU can eat up buffer states before something happens, especially when you're talkin about somebody that draws on the Soviet past for pride like Putin does. It's really the reason why I'm on neither side like that, both sides know damn well what they're doin and what it'll lead to. The West knew that Russia and Putin wasn't fukkin with those NATO bases being so close, the West knew how important Ukraine was to the Eurasian bloc scheme that Moscow had in place, it's a pissing match and Russia got tired of gettin pissed on.
I predict the US will see another spike in productivity and growth thanks to Russia.
We've gone almost a generation without Americans seeing what Russia is capable of.
Now youth can see it.
The US loves existential enemies. While I doubt it'll be as strong as what we saw in the first cold war due to the freedom of information, I do think that many Americans will be inspired to defend their country, ideals, way of life, and their own autonomy.
We've gone almost a generation without Americans seeing what Russia is capable of.
Now youth can see it.
The US loves existential enemies. While I doubt it'll be as strong as what we saw in the first cold war due to the freedom of information, I do think that many Americans will be inspired to defend their country, ideals, way of life, and their own autonomy.
theworldismine13
God Emperor of SOHH
i have no problem with crimea going to putin as a consolation prize, i totally agree that a westernized ukraine is a threat to putin in the same manner if china or russie got influence in a territory close to americaNah breh. Like I said it isn't a majority but it's noticeable enough.
Breh, at this point I think the aim for Putin was to secure his military interests in Crimea first and cause more political turmoil within Ukraine itself secondly. From the Russian perspective, they can't risk simply invading Ukraine because while Crimea is one thing, the Pro Russian sentiments in the East and South of the country aren't nearly as defined. Plus how the fukk does Ukraine have tactical control in its territory when the govt can't even reign in the armed extremist elements within it? How do you have tactical control when your territory is basically deebo'd off you without a shot being fired between soldiers. Playin devil's advocate, if China or Russia were to gain influence in territories close to America with the intention of adding strong economic ties and military installations later on then our govt would be goin apeshyt too in fact we probably wouldn't of shown the level of restraint(For lack of a better term
but im not neutral or playing devils advocate, im pro american, and we already won because we have a pro western government right next to russia, if putin wants to throw a temper tantrum and get crimea as a consolation prize, thats fine with me, ukraine is a chess piece that will lead to putin's final checkmate in a few years
a pro western ukraine is putin's nightmare, in one of the articles i posted it said the only reason a pro russian president can get elected in ukraine is because of the crimean vote, with that vote gone, ukraine will be guaranteed to be pro western, in other words putin won the battle of crimea but he lost the war for ukraine, american interests are to control kiev not crimea
i think pro russian protests had a spark last week but they seem to have died down, the armed extremists elements are anti russian so that's neither here nor there, that doesn't help putin
tactical control means they control their borders, as opposed to political control which is more iffy, but the significance of tactical control is that russians cant come in without a fight the way they did in crimea
but you can analyze it anyway you want, the point is putin is not going to go into ukraine, which means we won, putin can keep the communist enclave of crimea, i think overall its a good deal for american interests
i think obama needs to up the PR tho, a lot of people dont get that the us has already won and putin is just throwing a temper tantrum
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I see your point, it's not like they previously tried it before when they did the same thing to Georgia in 2008.