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You're the one stating we come from pygmies. No we did not.

I've given multiple sources why we come from Nilo people. We are essentially Mandinke people. I've given you the source on where they came from. You haven't refuted it.

1. I didn't say we come from pygmies, I said we diverged from the same stock, something East Africans cannot claim :deadrose:

2. All Niger-Congo people do not come from Mande people... that is just foolish. And still, they originate from the Niger River basin not some imaginary East-West route via The Sahel :heh:
 

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1. I didn't say we come from pygmies, I said we diverged from the same stock, something East Africans cannot claim :deadrose:

2. All Niger-Congo people do not come from Mande people... that is just foolish. And still, they originate from the Niger River basin not some imaginary East-West route via The Sahel :heh:
you realize there are more than one expansions right? I'm mostly following those closely related to me.

pygmies didn't diverge from stock east?

from the link I told you to read carefully....

migrated from south of modern day Ethiopia
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you need to read carefully......
 

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you realize there are more than one expansions right? I'm mostly following those closely related to me.

pygmies didn't diverge from the same stock?

from the link I told you to read carefully....


:snoop:

you need to read carefully......

All modern humans migrated from there wtf :dead:

And I posted the scientific study with genetic level analysis of pygmies and bantus :heh:

proto Mande people were in the West long before a pyramid was even erected :mindblown:

We aren't going to change our beliefs on this so I'll leave it there :obama:
 

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I've already quoted what happened in both East and West once the Sahara dried up

In the West

Considerable evidence indicates that about 60,000 years ago, humans inhabited what has since become the desolateSahara Desert of northern Niger. Later, on what was then huge fertile grasslands, from at least 7,000 BCE there was pastoralism, herding of sheep and goats, large settlements and pottery. Cattle were introduced to the Central Sahara (Ahaggar) from 4,000 to 3,500 BCE. Remarkable rock paintings, many found in the Aïr Mountains, dated 3,500 to 2,500 BCE, portray vegetation and animal presence rather different from modern expectations.[2]

One recent find suggests what is now the Sahara of northeast Niger was home to a succession of Holocene era societies. One Saharan site illustrated how sedentary hunter-fisher-gatherers lived at the edge of shallow lakes around 7700–6200 BCE, but disappeared during a period of extreme drought that may have lasted for a millennium over 6200–5200 BCE. Several former northern villages and archaeological sites date from the Green Sahara period of 7500-7000 to 3500-3000BCE.[3] When the climate returned to savanna grasslands—wetter than today's climate—and lakes reappeared in what is the modern Ténére desert, a population practicing hunting, fishing, and cattle husbandry. This last population survived until almost historical times, from 5200–2500 BCE, when the current arid period began.[4]

As the Sahara dried after 2000 BCE, the north of Niger became the desert it is today, with settlements and trade routes clinging to the Air in the north, the Kaouar and shore of Lake Chad in the west, and (apart for a scattering of oases) most people living along what is now the southern border with Nigeria and the southwest of the country.

In the fifth millennium, as the ancestors of modern West Africans began entering the area, the development of sedentary farming began to take place in West Africa, with evidences of domesticated cattle having been found for this period, along with limited cereal crops. Around 3000 BCE, a major change began to take place in West, with the invention of harpoons and fish-hooks.


Archaeological research, pioneered by Thurstan Shaw and Steve Daniels,[1] has shown that people were already living in south-western Nigeria (specifically Iwo-Eleru) as early as 11,000 BC[2] and perhaps earlier at Ugwuelle-Uturu (Okigwe) in south-eastern Nigeria, where microliths were used.[3] Smelting furnaces at Taruga dating from the 4th century BC provide the oldest evidence of metalworking in archaeology.

The earliest known example of a fossil human skeleton found anywhere in West Africa, which is 13,000 years old, was found at Iwo-Eleru in western Nigeria and attests to the antiquity of habitation in the region.[4]

Microlithic and ceramic industries were also developed by savanna pastoralists from at least the 4th millennium BC and were continued by subsequent agricultural communities. In the south, hunting and gathering gave way to subsistence farming around the same time, relying more on the indigenous yam and oil palm than on the cereals important in the North.

The stone axe heads, imported in great quantities from the north and used in opening the forest for agricultural development, were venerated by the Yoruba descendants of neolithicpioneers as "thunderbolts" hurled to earth by the gods.[4]






In the East

"Climatic cycles acted as a pump, alternately attracting African peoples onto the Sahara, then expelling them as the aridity returned (Keita 1990). Specialists in predynastic archaeology have recently proposed that the last climate-driven expulsion impelled the Saharans...into the Nile Valley ca. 5000-4500 BCE, where they intermingled with indigenous hunter-fisher-gatherer people already there (Hassan 1989; Wetterstorm 1993). Such was the origin of the distinct Egyptian populace, with its mix of agriculture/pastoralism and hunting/fishing. The resulting Badarian people, who developed the earliest Predynastic Egyptian culture, already exhibited the mix of North African and Sub-Saharan physical traits that have typified Egyptians ever since (Hassan 1985, Yurco 1989; Trigger 1978; Keita 1990; Brace et al. 1993)... Language research suggests that this Saharan-Nilotic population became speakers of the Afro-Asiatic languages.... Semitic was evidently spoken by Saharans who crossed the Red Sea into Arabia and became ancestors of the Semitic speakers there, possibly around 7000 BC... In summary we may say that Egypt was a distinct North African culture rooted in the Nile Valley and on the Sahara."[94]

Cheikh Anta Diop claimed the above quote via research.

The 5.9 kiloyear event was one of the most intense aridification events during the Holocene Epoch. It occurred around 3900 BC (5,900 years BP), ending the Neolithic Subpluvial and probably initiated the most recent desiccation of the Sahara desert.



Thus, it also triggered worldwide migration to river valleys, such as from central North Africa to the Nile valley, which eventually led to the emergence of the first complex, highly organised, state-level societies in the 4th millennium BC.[1] It is associated with the last round of the Sahara pump theory.
 

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I've already quoted what happened in both East and West once the Sahara dried up

In the West













In the East



Cheikh Anta Diop claimed the above quote via research.
dog I'm starting to believe you don't read your own links or something. :heh:

"Climatic cycles acted as a pump, alternately attracting African peoples onto the Sahara, then expelling them as the aridity returned (Keita 1990). Specialists in predynastic archaeology have recently proposed that the last climate-driven expulsion impelled the Saharans...into the Nile Valley ca. 5000-4500 BCE
 

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dog I'm starting to believe you don't read your own links or something. :heh:

That quote doesn't dispelled anything :deadmanny:

Saharan people went to the Nile and the Niger went the rest of the Sahara dried out :dead:


Notice the date

Several former northern villages and archaeological sites date from the Green Sahara period of 7500-7000 to 3500-3000BCE.[3] When the climate returned to savanna grasslands—wetter than today's climate—and lakes reappeared in what is the modern Ténére desert, a population practicing hunting, fishing, and cattle husbandry. This last population survived until almost historical times, from 5200–2500 BCE, when the current arid period began.[4]

In the fifth millennium, as the ancestors of modern West Africans began entering the area, the development of sedentary farming began to take place in West Africa, with evidences of domesticated cattle having been found for this period, along with limited cereal crops. Around 3000 BCE, a major change began to take place in West, with the invention of harpoons and fish-hooks.


5000 BC West Africans enter the equation... same time Badari culture starts in the East. Common link? The Sahara dried. People either choose the Niger or the Nile.
 

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In the fifth millennium, as the ancestors of modern West Africans began entering the area,
When I look up fifth millennium. the only cultures it states were thriving in africa, were Badari and merimde.

The Badarian culture provides the earliest direct evidence of agriculture in Upper Egypt during the Predynastic Era. It flourished between 4400 and 4000 BCE
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Badari
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merimde
do these sculptures look familiar to you?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:112307-BritishMuseum-Badari.jpg
 

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That quote doesn't dispelled anything :deadmanny:

Saharan people went to the Nile and the Niger went the rest of the Sahara dried out :dead:


Notice the date






5000 BC West Africans enter the equation... same time Badari culture starts in the East. Common link? The Sahara dried. People either choose the Niger or the Nile.
Ancestral origins[edit]
The Badarian culture seems to have had multiple sources, of which the Western Desert was probably the most influential. Badari culture was probably not restricted to solely the Badari region, because related finds have been made farther to the south at Mahgar Dendera, Armant, Elkab and Nekhen(named Hierakonpolis by the Greeks) and to the east in the Wadi Hammamat.

possibly it is a common link.
 

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Bantu_Expansion.gif

that's probably who number 1 is.

number 3 goes with the nubia meroe theory.....
 

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You're the one stating we come from pygmies. No we did not.
I've given multiple sources why we come from Nilo people. We are essentially Mandinke people. I've given you the source on where they came from. You haven't refuted it.




exactly, can't believe this Poiter dude is still at it? :what:
give it up already breh, you are wrong...take ya L & quit. The stuff you posting just doesn't add up.
 

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When I look up fifth millennium. the only cultures it states were thriving in africa, were Badari and merimde.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Badari
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merimde
do these sculptures look familiar to you?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:112307-BritishMuseum-Badari.jpg

Thriving to White and Arab researchers equals temples and pyramids. We were farming and living in the jungles so of course they wouldn't give us credit. Badari art looks like West African art because they were the same people. The Sahara drying made us separate.

Bantu_Expansion.gif

that's probably who number 1 is.

number 3 goes with the nubia meroe theory.....

It is both. Our first wave was from the Sahara and then Nilo-Saharan people integrated when shyt started to go South in their parts.

This actually builds a much more solid link for West Africans and East Africans, Berbers too, to prove that we do come from the same stock. Our most recent shared ancestors are from the North in the Sahara, but of course we all come from humans coming out of the rifts in East and Central Africa.
 
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exactly, can't believe this Poiter dude is still at it? :what:
give it up already breh, you are wrong...take ya L & quit. The stuff you posting just doesn't add up.

Why are you in here? :what:


Tommy figured out one migration and I just figured out another. What have you done? :comeon:
 

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Thriving to White and Arab researchers equals temples and pyramids. We were farming and living in the jungles so of course they wouldn't give us credit. Badari art looks like West African art because they were the same people. The Sahara drying made us separate.



It is both. Our first wave was from the Sahara and then Nilo-Saharan people integrated when shyt started to go South in their parts.

This actually builds a much more solid link for West Africans and East Africans, Berbers too, to prove that we do come from the same stock. Our most recent shared ancestors are from the North in the Sahara, but of course we all come from humans coming out of the rifts in East and Central Africa.
Possibly. I think I come from number 3. I know my mom mentions an east to west migration via grandmothers side. Also these people ring a bell.....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sara_people

they are descendants of Sao

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sao_civilisation
 
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