So Will The Coli Stop Snubbing Swizz Beatz, Now That He Smoked Your Beloved Timbaland?

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

I referenced Luda's album because that song was included on his album.

Stop deflecting. You're in here grasping for straws bringing up sales (which you dismissed and ran from before) and even bringing up American Music Awards shows (while dismissing The Source) to bolster your baseless claims.

Yeah, continue the weak mental health insults because you can't debate.

I see you hopped off The Source argument real quick considering what damage that did to your credibility the last time you were dismissive.

The point isn't whether people copped it because of who was on the cover. The point is, you weren't getting a Source cover without making waves.

Why are you asking if I watched Unsung? You clearly were trying to make a connection between Missy being on there for 702 and use that to downplay her standing in Hip Hop.

All of those joints took off before the Fall except "Roll Out". You clearly don't know what you're talking about.

so basically, the comment I made about Ludacris went over your head.

like I said. I was answering a question. I wasn't the one who brought up sales as an argument. I was simply responding to the question accordingly. that's why I mentioned the sales & awards. this is why I told you to mind your business. you don't know whats going on.

you would have a point if the mental health comments were all I typed. instead, they take up just 1% of my posts.

they made waves commercially. not culturally. I didn't hop off the source argument. nor was my credibility ever lost because of you dorks in that source thread. im actually from the block. we don't worship magazines & chit. yall stay in the house and live hip-hop thru TV & media. and then you wonder why timbaland got smoke. certain chit just doesn't register with yall.

I asked if you watched usung, because it was dope. it had nothing to do with the thread. SMH. cant even be nice to you, cuz youre so anti-social.

they may have took off locally/regionally before the fall, but nationally they didn't. the videos weren't even out yet.

 

[JustCKing]

theres no rebuttal on my end, because the comment you made was dumb as f*ck.

and how are you gonna tell me who I was referring to when I made the f*ckin thread??? what the hell is wrong with you?

lol. so youre comparing Eve singing a hook or having an r&b singer on a hook here-n-there, to missy who is a full-fledged hybrid artist, that doesn't even rap on a lot of her hits and has far & away a bigger r&b audience than a hip-hop audience? youre so dense.

so who generated the list? casuals? kids? just come out & say it? whats the big secret?

im not implying anything. if youre not a female, then youre some sort of transformer......unless you just want to admit that you have aspergers or something. that would explain everything.

There's no rebuttal, because you had not argument to begin with.

Obviously, you are completely oblivious to what the titles of your threads imply. The title is already defeatist before one post was even made.

Eve is a hybrid R&B/rapper herself.

And the Mt. Rushmore thing wasn't a list.

 

[JustCKing]

so basically, the comment I made about Ludacris went over your head.

like I said. I was answering a question. I wasn't the one who brought up sales as an argument. I was simply responding to the question accordingly. this is why I told you to mind your business. you don't know whats going on.

you would have a point if the mental health comments were all I typed. instead, they take up just 1% of my posts.

they made waves commercially. not culturally.

I asked if you watched usung, because it was dope. it had nothing to do with the thread. SMH. cant even be nice to you, cuz youre so anti-social.

they may have took off locally/regionally before the fall, but nationally they didn't. the videos weren't even out yet.

Breh, the Luda comment didn't go over my head. Nothing you posted has anything to do with what I posted, which was an argument you inserted yourself into, but then tell me to mind my business.

You might not have been the one to introduce sales into the argument, but that didn't stop you from using the sales argument to prop up your own even after being so dismissive of other posters who do the same.

You're making waves culturally to some capacity, when you're on a Source Magazine cover as opposed to simply performing at an American Music Awards show.

Those songs were all national hits before the fall.

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

If you're that confident that it was a flop, post the outlets. Put up or shut up.

By my standards, Eve was not a gazillion trillion times more poppin than Mobb Deep. For starters, both albums went platinum and Eve didn't get a 2X Platinum certification until her sophomore album came out.

mtv news 1515 acknowledged it as a flop in their year-end hip-hop review in '99.
I recall a magazine(and I think it was the source) that listed her album in the "miss" category before of its year-end issue.

no, the 1st album went plat, and her set of singles, and def her celebrity were bigger than mobb deep, who weren't stars at all.

youre going against everything you always stand for, by arguing against me right now.

Swizz had R&B joints BEFORE he started working with Beyonce most notably Mya's "Best of Me" feat. Jada.

Timbaland had street joints on pretty much every Jay album he was a part of. He had notable album cuts.

And yeah, The Neptunes street joints sold albums.

Apparently, you don't what borderline old school means either. It's just some BS, cheese jargon you threw out there when you were on the ropes with your struggle arguments.

stop being so dense. I never said swizz didn't do any r&b records at all. im saying they were few & far between back then. PLEASE tell me that youre playing dumb just to prove a point.

95% of those timbaland songs on jay albums were not street joints.

what neptunes street joints sold albums? don't give me the clipse. they always under-sold.

I can tell that you've never seen the term 'borderline old school' mentioned before me, so please stop rambling.
and no, I wasn't on any ropes. I use that term all the time. plus, I was a swizz fan. why would I put such a label on him, if it didn't apply? youre so dumb.

Breh, the Luda comment didn't go over my head. Nothing you posted has anything to do with what I posted, which was an argument you inserted yourself into, but then tell me to mind my business.

You might not have been the one to introduce sales into the argument, but that didn't stop you from using the sales argument to prop up your own even after being so dismissive of other posters who do the same.

You're making waves culturally to some capacity, when you're on a Source Magazine cover as opposed to simply performing at an American Music Awards show.

Those songs were all national hits before the fall.

if the luda comment didn't go over your head, your response would've been completely different.

its called answering a question. like I said, stay the f*ck out of my conversations if you don't know whats going on.

lol. are you implying that missy was bigger than Eve culturally??

those songs weren't national before the fall. you may have heard them before the fall BECAUSE YOURE DOWN SOUTH. what part of that do you not understand??

man youre too much of a time-consuming headache. this might be my last response to you.

 

[JustCKing]

mtv news 1515 acknowledged it as a flop in their year-end hip-hop review in '99.
I recall a magazine(and I think it was the source) that listed her album in the "miss" category before of its year-end issue.

no, the 1st album went plat, and her set of singles, and def her celebrity were bigger than mobb deep, who weren't stars at all.

youre going against everything you always stand for, by arguing against me right now.

Post the articles.

You answered your own question. How is it that Mobb Deep went platinum without being stars? There was no crew to piggyback off of. And it's not like an appearance from Kim or Nas on songs that weren't high charting were actually selling albums back then.

I'm not going against anything, but your weak arguments.

stop being so dense. I never said swizz didn't do any r&b records at all. im saying they were few & far between back then. PLEASE tell me that youre playing dumb just to prove a point.

95% of those timbaland songs on jay albums were not street joints.

what neptunes street joints sold albums? don't give me the clipse. they always under-sold.

I can tell that you've never seen the term 'borderline old school' mentioned before me, so please stop rambling.
and no, I wasn't on any ropes. I use that term all the time. plus, I was a swizz fan. why would I put such a label on him, if it didn't apply? youre so dumb.

They weren't few and far in between. Swizz, like most producers, made whatever he was called on to make including R&B joints, Pop joints and bubblegum rap joints.

A lot of the Timbaland joints on Jay albums that weren't singles, were street joints.

Everybody else who mentions borderline old school correctly apply it to acts who are no longer viable not acts who were peaking commercially and still dropping music that was acclaimed.

if the luda comment didn't go over your head, your response would've been completely different.

its called answering a question. like I said, stay the f*ck out of my conversations if you don't know whats going on.

lol. are you implying that missy was bigger than Eve culturally??

those songs weren't national before the fall. you may have heard them before the fall BECAUSE YOURE DOWN SOUTH. what part of that do you not understand??

man youre too much of a time-consuming headache. this might be my last response to yo

Breh, what you're saying is irrelevant on both those first points.

Missy was bigger than Eve culturally. There was no cultural investment in Eve. Her career started to flounder after the second album. Meanwhile, all of Missy's albums were successes.

And don't even give me that regional garbage in regard to those singles. "Get Ur Freak On" was already a hit nationally as was "Raise Up" and "Ugly".

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

Breh, what you're saying is irrelevant on both those first points.

Missy was bigger than Eve culturally. There was no cultural investment in Eve. Her career started to flounder after the second album. Meanwhile, all of Missy's albums were successes.

And don't even give me that regional garbage in regard to those singles. "Get Ur Freak On" was already a hit nationally as was "Raise Up" and "Ugly".

im not going in circles with the other chit anymore.

lol. so youre saying that missy f*ckin Elliot as popular culturally?? GTFO my face.

I wasn't talking about "get ur freak on" or the bleek joint. those were out in the winter/spring. im talking about the others. nobody heard those songs up here that early.
what regional garbage? what are you yappin about? the bottom line is, if you heard "raise up" & "ugly" as early as the summer, its prolly because youre down south, and those stations down there are the songs that broke those records before they hit nationally across the map. its not rocket science. its just you making everything difficult.

 

[JustCKing]

im not going in circles with the other chit anymore.

lol. so youre saying that missy f*ckin Elliot as popular culturally?? GTFO my face.

I wasn't talking about "get ur freak on" or the bleek joint. those were out in the winter/spring. im talking about the others. nobody heard those songs up here that early.
what regional garbage? what are you yappin about? the bottom line is, if you heard "raise up" & "ugly" as early as the summer, its prolly because youre down south, and those stations down there are the songs that broke those records before they hit nationally across the map. its not rocket science. its just you making everything difficult.

Breh, Missy Elliott is far more culturally popular than Eve.

You never singled out which songs you were talking about until now. Now, you're back peddling and you're still wrong. Every one of those songs were national hits. Bubba and Petey's songs were not broken Down South. "Raise Up" was released May 29, 2001. The song was all over 106 and elsewhere by Summer. "Ugly" was another one, but it dropped later in the Summer.

 

[JustCKing]

im not going in circles with the other chit anymore.

lol. so youre saying that missy f*ckin Elliot as popular culturally?? GTFO my face.

I wasn't talking about "get ur freak on" or the bleek joint. those were out in the winter/spring. im talking about the others. nobody heard those songs up here that early.
what regional garbage? what are you yappin about? the bottom line is, if you heard "raise up" & "ugly" as early as the summer, its prolly because youre down south, and those stations down there are the songs that broke those records before they hit nationally across the map. its not rocket science. its just you making everything difficult.

Breh, Missy Elliott is far more culturally popular than Eve.

You never singled out which songs you were talking about until now. Now, you're back peddling and you're still wrong. Every one of those songs were national hits. Bubba and Petey's songs were not broken Down South. "Raise Up" was released May 29, 2001. The song was all over 106 and elsewhere by Summer. "Ugly" was another one, but it dropped later in the Summer.

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

Breh, Missy Elliott is far more culturally popular than Eve.

You never singled out which songs you were talking about until now. Now, you're back peddling and you're still wrong. Every one of those songs were national hits. Bubba and Petey's songs were not broken Down South. "Raise Up" was released May 29, 2001. The song was all over 106 and elsewhere by Summer. "Ugly" was another one, but it dropped later in the Summer.

heads was not bumpin no missy f*ckin Elliot.
Eve on the other hand was the favored female rapper in the streets at this point.
streets don't listen to no f*ckin missy Elliot, you dumb dyke.

I may not have been clear with the songs I was talking about, but theres no back-pedaling AT ALL. do you even think before you start throwing chit at the wall. you just throw out random accusations and run with it.

I was an avid viewer of 106th that 1st year. those bubba & petey songs weren't on there in the summer. and I know youre bullchittin, because if you saw them on there, you would've mentioned it 5 posts ago, cuz ive been saying in all these posts that those videos weren't out.

 

[JustCKing]

heads was not bumpin no missy f*ckin Elliot.
Eve on the other hand was the favored female rapper in the streets at this point.
streets don't listen to no f*ckin missy Elliot, you dumb dyke.

I may not have been clear with the songs I was talking about, but theres no back-pedaling AT ALL. do you even think before you start throwing chit at the wall. you just throw out random accusations and run with it.

I was an avid viewer of 106th that 1st year. those bubba & petey songs weren't on there in the summer. and I know youre bullchittin, because if you saw them on there, you would've mentioned it 5 posts ago, cuz ive been saying in all these posts that those videos weren't out.

Eve got her props for having bars, but culturally, Eve was not as big as you are making her out to be when it came to her music. And its not like people could readily list off songs from Eve's debut without looking it up. She wasn't out her influencing anything. Missy changed the game. She didn't fit the image of what a female rapper looked or sounded like and created her own lane. Missy's music with Timbaland was actually influencing the sound of other rappers in 1999. See Wayne.

There was back pedaling. At first it was all of those songs were poppin until 4th quarter. Then you singled out two songs. I shouldn't have had to point that out and you clearly wasn't an avid viewer of 106, because both songs were there. Those videos were out. I remember seeing Petey's video on the countdown early summer and Bubba's video late summer.

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

Eve got her props for having bars, but culturally, Eve was not as big as you are making her out to be when it came to her music. And its not like people could readily list off songs from Eve's debut without looking it up. She wasn't out her influencing anything. Missy changed the game. She didn't fit the image of what a female rapper looked or sounded like and created her own lane. Missy's music with Timbaland was actually influencing the sound of other rappers in 1999. See Wayne.

There was back pedaling. At first it was all of those songs were poppin until 4th quarter. Then you singled out two songs. I shouldn't have had to point that out and you clearly wasn't an avid viewer of 106, because both songs were there. Those videos were out. I remember seeing Petey's video on the countdown early summer and Bubba's video late summer.

Eve was uber influential on females. you don't know what youre talking about.
Eve had at least a handful of well-known album cuts. why am I even having this argument when the opposition is missy. are we pretending that missy ever had a well-known album cut amongst hip-hop fans aside from the cash money feature?

I never said all the songs were 4th quarter. I said MOST, you idiot.
and even if you were correct about those videos, its still the latter half ot the year, and prolly after timbo sat down to do the article, so again, whats your point?

 

[JustCKing]

Eve was uber influential on females. you don't know what youre talking about.
Eve had at least a handful of well-known album cuts. why am I even having this argument when the opposition is missy. are we pretending that missy ever had a well-known album cut amongst hip-hop fans aside from the cash money feature?

I never said all the songs were 4th quarter. I said MOST, you idiot.
and even if you were correct about those videos, its still the latter half ot the year, and prolly after timbo sat down to do the article, so again, whats your point?

Never said that Eve wasn't influential on females. I'm quite sure you'd know how influential she was to females because it seems you are a part of that target audience. This is based on the fact that you claimed it was better and more poppin than the Mobb album and you claim The Booth is sexist. You're back pedaling again from Hip Hop culture to females.

What well known album cuts did Eve have? You are in here naming a Missy album cut, but failed to name one for Eve.

In regard to your comments on when those songs dropped, even saying "most" is still in error. And regardless, all of those songs were huge in 2001.

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

Never said that Eve wasn't influential on females. I'm quite sure you'd know how influential she was to females because it seems you are a part of that target audience. This is based on the fact that you claimed it was better and more poppin than the Mobb album and you claim The Booth is sexist. You're back pedaling again from Hip Hop culture to females.

What well known album cuts did Eve have? You are in here naming a Missy album cut, but failed to name one for Eve.

In regard to your comments on when those songs dropped, even saying "most" is still in error. And regardless, all of those songs were huge in 2001.

yall act like your album poppin more than murda muzik is some sort of all-time feat. that chit was just aiird.

3 out of 5 = MOST

let's talk about
PHILLY
scenario 2000
that "take all the chips" song
plus the "right ones" off ruff ryders tape
im forgetting 1 or 2

only non-single people in the hip-hop world generally know from missy is the song w/ juvenile & BG, and that's soley because of them.

 

[etrofllenrod504]

Dr. Dre would destroy Swizz

Honestly forgot about Dre... I guess that's because I put Dre in a league of his own

 

[tuckgod]

They took that PAC tribute thread back down with a quickness.

Shortest sticky run I’ve ever seen after they refused to sticky the thread on his birthday, but this bullshyt is still sitting up here....