So Will The Coli Stop Snubbing Swizz Beatz, Now That He Smoked Your Beloved Timbaland?

[TheDarceKnight]

I think one thing people maybe don't like about Swizz now that I think about it is the subtle narrative that hip-hop got better when his sound got pushed out. Ever since Blueprint dropped (and even a few albums before that), there's been this narrative that producers like Kanye, Just Blaze, Bink, Alchemist, and Nottz helped push the sound of hip-hop back into samples and away from Casio, Triton, and other keyboard style beats that had been prevalent in the mainstream. I don't necessarily agree with that premise the way it's often presented, but the narrative is there, and for better or worse, Swizz is sort of the name you think of when you think late 90's east coast hip-hop production, along with Puffy and the Hitmen looping popular hits before that during the shiny suit era.

My own gripes with Swizz have always been more on a technical level because I'm a production nerd. I still jam out to fukk You, Banned From TV, Blood Pressure, Ready To Meet Him, and a fair amount of other beats Siwzz did, and I think he improved in his career. Beats like Murder to Excellence and even Lord Have Mercy from barely 2 years ago are very good.

I'm just big into sample chopping and so a lot of Swizz's '97-'00 run is not that impressive to me from a beatmaking POV, but there's no denying that he was behind a lot of hits and big songs, as well as plenty of street bangers.

 

[TheDarceKnight]

breh when will they do a real fukkin beat battle with new beats. nobody wanna hear that old shyt. fukk outta here tim. And I fukks with both of em but they should have 100's of new beats to have on display.

FWIW it’s hard to get big name producers to do beat battles with unheard beats. Just Blaze played a few in his battle with Cardiak.

A lot of people go see beat battles with well known producers to get the nostalgia trip of hearing joints they already love. After Alchemist and Just Blaze battled, they took it on tour, and mostly played beats people already knew.

Plus in terms of a battle it’s a great way to get the crowd on your side. If Just Blaze drops PSA, U Don’t Know, Breathe, or What We Do in a battle, he’s pretty much knocking out whatever the other person played in that round.

 

[JustCKing]

I think one thing people maybe don't like about Swizz now that I think about it is the subtle narrative that hip-hop got better when his sound got pushed out. Ever since Blueprint dropped (and even a few albums before that), there's been this narrative that producers like Kanye, Just Blaze, Bink, Alchemist, and Nottz helped push the sound of hip-hop back into samples and away from Casio, Triton, and other keyboard style beats that had been prevalent in the mainstream. I don't necessarily agree with that premise the way it's often presented, but the narrative is there, and for better or worse, Swizz is sort of the name you think of when you think late 90's east coast hip-hop production, along with Puffy and the Hitmen looping popular hits before that during the shiny suit era.

My own gripes with Swizz have always been more on a technical level because I'm a production nerd. I still jam out to fukk You, Banned From TV, Blood Pressure, Ready To Meet Him, and a fair amount of other beats Siwzz did, and I think he improved in his career. Beats like Murder to Excellence and even Lord Have Mercy from barely 2 years ago are very good.

I'm just big into sample chopping and so a lot of Swizz's '97-'00 run is not that impressive to me from a beatmaking POV, but there's no denying that he was behind a lot of hits and big songs, as well as plenty of street bangers.

This.

During thay whole Blueprint, chipmunk soul era, Swizz wasn't as popular and he was kind of struggling to adapt. "I Get High" and "Big Business" (og and remix) are highlights from that era, but overall, it wasn't the same Swizz. Considering, The Neptunes and Tim were still dominant in that era, it's just crazy that he wasn't able to maneuver.

 

[TheDarceKnight]

This.

During thay whole Blueprint, chipmunk soul era, Swizz wasn't as popular and he was kind of struggling to adapt. "I Get High" and "Big Business" (og and remix) are highlights from that era, but overall, it wasn't the same Swizz. Considering, The Neptunes and Tim were still dominant in that era, it's just crazy that he wasn't able to maneuver.

I didn’t know he did I Get High. Daps.

Btw the chipmunk soul era got played out too. Just Blaze and Kanye rarely sped things up to actual chipmunk speed (with exceptions like Overnight Celebrity), and out of everyone that did, the Heatmakerz were the only ones that really pulled it off on Diplomatic Immunity IMO.

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

Timb didn't even touch the Timberlake songs

theres a reason why he didn't touch those nut ass timberlake songs.

smh. some of you fellas are so aloof.

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

money cash hoez gotta be one of the corniest beats ever. When you got jay-z and dmx on a track any beat will work well.

what about they songs they did together with other producers that nobody talks about anymore?

 

[mobbinfms]

And people forget, Timbaland introduced Luda.

What do you mean by this?

 

[mobbinfms]

Jay and Tim have more classics together than Jay and Swizz.

 

[JustCKing]

What do you mean by this?

In 1998, Ludacris was a radio DJ here. Timbaland put Ludacris on "Fat Rabbit" and that's the first time Luda appeared on an album. Luda even made it a bonus on Back For The First Time. Tim was close to signing Luda. As a DJ, Luda had connections to so many artists and producers, but people were sleeping. JD dropped a compilation album that same year and there's no Luda or even many ATL artists on it. Timbaland gave Luda an entire track to himself.

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

In 1998, Ludacris was a radio DJ here. Timbaland put Ludacris on "Fat Rabbit" and that's the first time Luda appeared on an album. Luda even made it a bonus on Back For The First Time. Tim was close to signing Luda. As a DJ, Luda had connections to so many artists and producers, but people were sleeping. JD dropped a compilation album that same year and there's no Luda or even many ATL artists on it. Timbaland gave Luda an entire track to himself.

nobody "forgot about it" like you claimed.

niccas just weren't checkin for timbaland albums to know about that chit.
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You're not talking over my head. Lauryn is mentioned as a favorite MC and even someone puts among the best (male or female). That is the point. So regardless of what label you put on her, she gets love and respect from The Booth as an MC.

If anyone can get an Appreciation thread, where was the one for Eve's debut. And if she gets appreciation threads, why are you whining about this board being secist in regard to brehs saying they never saw he debut mentioned here until this thread?

Timbaland has always talked about retiring from Hip Hop and branching off. Didn't mean he was cold:

2001 (the same year he appeared in the Source talking about retiring)- Get Ur Freak On, Raise Up, Ugly, Roll Out, Is That Your Chick

you see Unsung last night? 702 jawn. missy was all over it.

everybody talks over your head. that's why they say youre dense.
you still don't get the gist of what im saying.

as for timbaland, yea it was 2001. that was a dry year for him. most of the songs you listed, dropped in the 4th quarter.

and theres quite a bit of stuff on your list that wasn't poppin.

No, I come with receipts to back up the claims I'm making as opposed to making a baseless claim like "Eve and Swizz being the best producer/female rapper tandem since Salt N Pepa and Herbie Love". And then when asked to back uo the vlaim, your reply is "you wasn't there". What's funny is you always end up looking like the one absent from the party as evidenced throughout this thread. Pure emotion and never facts.

And yeah, landing a Source cover meant far more than a poster making a baseless claim.

"Hot Boyz" isn't an R&B record and Missy has a rap verse on the video version and the original.

it wasn't a baseless claim. it was simply an opinion. and you could've came back with other examples. you prolly could've shut me down with something like foxy brown/trackmasters. but instead you fire back with this timbaland/missy bullchit. heads as not f*ckin wit them at all. then when I pointed that out, you got mad.

also, the bolded never happened. youre prolly thinking about another topic in another thread, that youre obviously still holding a grudge over.

absent from what party? you and that freak you were taggin with, don't go nowhere.

landing a source cover meant what exactly?? does that mean they were what was hot on the streets because they were on the source??

youre right. that missy verse was so wack, I just remember her singing. it was a record that was bigger in r&b than hip-hop. the tale of her entire career.

 

[JustCKing]

Outside of "Jigga My nikka" and "Money Cash Hoes", Jay and Swizz have no other classics. I'll even throw in "On To The Next One". Meanwhile, Timbaland and Jay have "nikka What, nikka Who", "Big Pimpin", "Dirt Off Your Shoulder", and "Is That Your Chick". That's not even counting some of the more low key album cuts like "It's Hot" or "Come And Get Me".

 

[mobbinfms]

I was responding to @spliz saying mob deep went platinum.

Eve album sold twice as much.

Ok. With the exception of one album each year...there is always somebody who sells more. Was IDAHIH not killing it in 98 because Vol. 2 outsold it?

no rapper is featured on any of her hits from her debut.

She had more than one single from the first album? I just remember the DV song.
Which wasn't a big song...but it wasn't exactly gonna be a club banger on the other hand with the subject matter :prodigylol:
The point is she was positioned perfectly to capitalize on all the hype with RR.

 

[mobbinfms]

its true actually.

FOMFBOMB was more in line with the casio era, as you like to call it.
and it had more popular quotables too.

not saying its better but I played FOMFBOMB more than IDAHIH as well.​

Album was 3 mics. Don't tarnish IDAHIH trying to prop up FOMF.

 

[JustCKing]

Outside of "Jigga My nikka" and "Money Cash Hoes", Jay and Swizz have no other classics. I'll even throw in "On To The Next One". Meanwhile, Timbaland and Jay have "nikka What, nikka Who", "Big Pimpin", "Dirt Off Your Shoulder", and "Is That Your Chick". That's not even counting some of the more low key album cuts like "It's Hot" or "Come And Get Me".

 

[mobbinfms]

I know facts are a foreign language to you, so I will make this simple:

1)

2) Missy's "Hot Boyz" made history and at the time, it was the biggest song Eve was a part of. Timbaland produced record that was bigger than what Swizz was doing with Eve.

That second Missy album kinda flopped though