So We Really Gotta Get A 5th String QB Huh....2023 49ers Offseason Thread

[Jmare007]

Man this training camp is gonna be WILD with the QB talk

 

[Dat916nigga]

Trey was handled POORLY by Shanahan. I mean it's literally eye popping. He isn't Lamar Jackson, but runs plays for him that like he is. The offense with Purdy was some shyt I haven't seen ever from Shanny. It's like he laid out the fukking platinum style offense for him. You didn't see it with Jimmy or Trey. shyt was mind boggling. To think that Trey can't run that same offense is insane.

His first year. Kyle started playing him sporadically, then the dumb ass stopped doing it. Hurts the development because he could've got chemistry with the team in game experience. Everytime he started him. It was always RPO and dumb ass run design plays. Which eventually got him hurt.

So if Trey was treated like Purdy with the offense and he sucked, then I'd be like year this kid doesn't have it. But I honestly I think it would be best for Trey to go to another team. That big earred fakkit rather have a stiff Kirk Cousins type QB. Black QBs he would rather run them 50 times a game or preferably not have them.

At some point y'all gotta realize how it's borderline impossible to run an offense with a QB that barely completes 55% of his passes

I like Trey, but that's where he's at right now. No matter how you slice it, he's currently a below average passer. So he's gotta use his legs to pick up yards and put up points. The problem is that because of lack of instincts/inexperience, he plays way slower than his 4.5 40 time suggests. But then if he ran the "Jimmy/Brock offense" and never used his legs, every other pass would be incomplete. I don't know how anyone could confidently say that Trey could put up better numbers than Jimmy/Brock or even have similar results when he's not as accurate as them

 

[King Kreole]

Trey was handled POORLY by Shanahan. I mean it's literally eye popping. He isn't Lamar Jackson, but runs plays for him that like he is. The offense with Purdy was some shyt I haven't seen ever from Shanny. It's like he laid out the fukking platinum style offense for him. You didn't see it with Jimmy or Trey. shyt was mind boggling. To think that Trey can't run that same offense is insane.

His first year. Kyle started playing him sporadically, then the dumb ass stopped doing it. Hurts the development because he could've got chemistry with the team in game experience. Everytime he started him. It was always RPO and dumb ass run design plays. Which eventually got him hurt.

So if Trey was treated like Purdy with the offense and he sucked, then I'd be like year this kid doesn't have it. But I honestly I think it would be best for Trey to go to another team. That big earred fakkit rather have a stiff Kirk Cousins type QB. Black QBs he would rather run them 50 times a game or preferably not have them.

I've already posted before how the offense Shanahan was running for Trey was basically the one Trey was running in college and successful in. Shanahan had to remove the Trey wrinkles and switch to the limited Jimmy G/Purdy offense because they're not as physically talented as Trey. If it looked platinum style it's because Brock was getting the most out of it (plus CMC addition), which is really an indictment on Trey. Jimmy didn't look as good as Brock in the same offense. That offense requires a feel for the game, quick decision making, and short-to-immediate accuracy. All things Trey doesn't do as well as Jimmy and Brock. Shanahan adding in QB draws and runs was his attempt to even out the playbook in Trey's favor and give him as much of an advantage as possible.

The real question is, why did Kyle spend all that capital to take this QB if his preferred schemes don't match the QB's supposed strengths? My theory is that Trey's tape against weak Div-I opponents led Kyle to believe he would be faster and stronger than he is at this point, so those weak QB runs would actually be hitter plays, and Trey would look like Josh Allen (or at least Daniel Jones) and take the offense to the next level by adding those dimensions. Hasn't happened yet. Hope Trey can put it together this year.

 

[King Kreole]

At some point y'all gotta realize how it's borderline impossible to run an offense with a QB that barely completes 55% of his passes

I like Trey, but that's where he's at right now. No matter how you slice it, he's currently a below average passer. So he's gotta use his legs to pick up yards and put up points. The problem is that because of lack of instincts/inexperience, he plays way slower than his 4.5 40 time suggests. But then if he ran the "Jimmy/Brock offense" and never used his legs, every other pass would be incomplete. I don't know how anyone could confidently say that Trey could put up better numbers than Jimmy/Brock or even have similar results when he's not as accurate as them

We got a 6'4" 225lb QB with short accuracy issues that runs a 4.5 40 and ran for 1100 yards and 14 tds in a season, and we're mad he's being asked to run the ball sometimes?
If Shanahan came out the gate with him running a 3 step drop west coast offense we'd be calling for his damn head

 

[Jmare007]

Y'all talking like if we (Kyle included) didn't see the same offense fail during Trey's First year either...and it got him hurt too!

Brock showed the QB can still move around a lot in Kyle's pass focused offense

I always had a problem with Trey accuracy and my biggest issue with this past season was Shanahan doubling down on what didn't work in 2021 and doing jackshyt with the thing Trey needed most (improve his passing).

 

[King Kreole]

Y'all talking like if we (Kyle included) didn't see the same offense fail during Trey's First year either...and it got him hurt too!

Brock showed the QB can still move around a Lot un Kyle's pass focused offense

I always had a problem with Trey accuracy and My biggest issue with this past season was Shaanahan doubling down in what didn't work in 2021 and doing jackshyt with the thing Trey meeded most (improve his passing).

I mean, Brock had 22 rushing yards in 5 games this season. He wasn't producing the rush yards that a dual-threat QB like Trey is supposed to produce. But in terms of maneuvering the pocket, yeah, Brock has shown far better agility and creativity than Trey so far.

And yeah I agree with the Kyle criticism here. He had a full season of seeing Trey in the building to know how to utilize him best, and we still didn't see anything to give us hope. His season was cut very short so who knows how it would have gone. I'm just hoping Trey and Shanahan can show us something next season.

 

[jwonder]

At some point y'all gotta realize how it's borderline impossible to run an offense with a QB that barely completes 55% of his passes

I like Trey, but that's where he's at right now. No matter how you slice it, he's currently a below average passer. So he's gotta use his legs to pick up yards and put up points. The problem is that because of lack of instincts/inexperience, he plays way slower than his 4.5 40 time suggests. But then if he ran the "Jimmy/Brock offense" and never used his legs, every other pass would be incomplete. I don't know how anyone could confidently say that Trey could put up better numbers than Jimmy/Brock or even have similar results when he's not as accurate as them

He runs more than he passes

All I know is he looked less effective running the RPO. It's really only Lamar that can get away with that in the NFL. Defenses adjusted to it like they did a decade ago.

Having that as a staple of your offense isn't going to bring you great results.

If you look at the second half of the Texans game. Kyle ran a normal offense after putting up next to no points with that dumb ass RPO on the first half. Trey looked way better

Y'all got to get off this fantasy football stat bullshyt. His completions would get better by paying more to get chemistry with WRs. He's had zero chemistry so far.


He was a raw rookie that should have been developed better. Barely playing his first year was a huge mistake.

 

[B90X]

 

[jwonder]

I've already posted before how the offense Shanahan was running for Trey was basically the one Trey was running in college and successful in. Shanahan had to remove the Trey wrinkles and switch to the limited Jimmy G/Purdy offense because they're not as physically talented as Trey. If it looked platinum style it's because Brock was getting the most out of it (plus CMC addition), which is really an indictment on Trey. Jimmy didn't look as good as Brock in the same offense. That offense requires a feel for the game, quick decision making, and short-to-immediate accuracy. All things Trey doesn't do as well as Jimmy and Brock. Shanahan adding in QB draws and runs was his attempt to even out the playbook in Trey's favor and give him as much of an advantage as possible.

The real question is, why did Kyle spend all that capital to take this QB if his preferred schemes don't match the QB's supposed strengths? My theory is that Trey's tape against weak Div-I opponents led Kyle to believe he would be faster and stronger than he is at this point, so those weak QB runs would actually be hitter plays, and Trey would look like Josh Allen (or at least Daniel Jones) and take the offense to the next level by adding those dimensions. Hasn't happened yet. Hope Trey can put it together this year.

Trey ran a pro style offense in the NFL. RPO wasn't the staple of the offense. Also as I mentioned before RPO doesn't work well in the NFL. Defenses caught on to it again. It's back to being the splash play vs the RG3 and Kaep days. Lamar Jackson made it harder for teams to guard it but they slowed him down a bit, although it is still effective when he runs it.

So running a offense that is no longer effective along with not having that much college experience = failure. On Kyle's part. Stop running that goofy shyt with him. You got three starting RBs on the team. He's an idiot for any kind of run plays for the QB at this point.

Get this kid some chemistry with these WRs. Don't get him hurt so he can't. It's been a very small sample size to evaluate him. It's like people given up on him already. I mean he hasn't even played 5 consecutive games as a starter.

 

[King Kreole]

Trey ran a pro style offense in the NFL. RPO wasn't the staple of the offense. Also as I mentioned before RPO doesn't work well in the NFL. Defenses caught on to it again. It's back to being the splash play vs the RG3 and Kaep days. Lamar Jackson made it harder for teams to guard it but they slowed him down a bit, although it is still effective when he runs it.

Most of Trey's designed runs haven't been RPO though, they've been QB draw. Shanahan and defenses know he doesn't have the lateral quick-twitch speed like Lamar to beat defenders to the edge, so the best bet is to put him in a straight line race against LBs once he gets to the second level in a QB draw. It's what he was doing in college.

So running a offense that is no longer effective along with not having that much college experience = failure. On Kyle's part. Stop running that goofy shyt with him. You got three starting RBs on the team. He's an idiot for any kind of run plays for the QB at this point.

You gotta run Trey. If you don't, you're admitting you fukked up the pick. It's like drafting an elite 3-tech and making him play at 9-tech standing up.

Get this kid some chemistry with these WRs. Don't get him hurt so he can't. It's been a very small sample size to evaluate him. It's like people given up on him already. I mean he hasn't even played 5 consecutive games as a starter.

Agreed. He should have more than enough time to develop whatever chemistry he can with the receivers given last year's training camp and this year's.

 

[jwonder]

Most of Trey's designed runs haven't been RPO though, they've been QB draw. Shanahan and defenses know he doesn't have the lateral quick-twitch speed like Lamar to beat defenders to the edge, so the best bet is to put him in a straight line race against LBs once he gets to the second level in a QB draw. It's what he was doing in college.


You gotta run Trey. If you don't, you're admitting you fukked up the pick. It's like drafting an elite 3-tech and making him play at 9-tech standing up.


Agreed. He should have more than enough time to develop whatever chemistry he can with the receivers given last year's training camp and this year's.

The purpose of having Trey is having a QB that can run. Not a running QB. It's a difference. You don't see too many 6'5 running QBs out there. He's a Dante Culpepper type. Play breaks down he can scramble, run and get the first or more. Not just take the sack like Jimmy G. You run the offense like he did Purdy and you'll see his max potential. You run him all the damn time then you'll see what we have been seeing as such. It's failure.

Thing is Kyle is a moron. This is a kid that hasn't played a lot of high level football. First thing that popped in my head was they would do the same offense as Jimmy G. Run the ball damn near 40 times with play action. This would have helped him gain more confidence and adjust to the speed of the game. But no it's RPO, Pistol and dumb ass QB draws. smdh.



Many people are saying the same thing I'm saying about the play calling. The comment below on this video is damn near fukking verbatim what I said.

Tashannoc​

2 months ago (edited)
The problem I had with Lance this season was the play calling - I thought that there were too many designed runs. Last year, 2nd half vs the Texans, they let him sling the rock and he was phenomenal. That's what I want to see more of. One thing I saw in the tape here that I LOVE is his ability to avoid pressure by stepping up in the pocket.

 

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[FaTaL]

Yup, we need a fuking veteran, whose available?

 

[FakeNews]

 

[FakeNews]

Yup, we need a fuking veteran, whose available?

Matt Ryan?