So We Really Gotta Get A 5th String QB Huh....2023 49ers Offseason Thread

[feelosofer]

Dammit!!! I do not like this guy.. I think we're going to blow a bunch of games "waiting for him to get back into form"

The schedule is easy enough but it makes no sense. We have a healthy Trey Lance who we can play the 1st, 4 or 5 games at worst and our goal this season above anything is to get the fukking 1 seed.

 

[yseJ]

Man, these QB extension contracts are ridiculous Shanny Jr better prove me wrong in the next two season because our window will be fukking closed by 2025/26

I'm think 1 year ahead here, but If we do well this season, can Trey and/or Brock held out wanting to get more money for the 2024 camp?

To be honest we gonna need him to be fully healthy for the playoffs. Trey better be ready to give us a good 3-5 games in the regular season, I hope he trained in his running because we all know stubborn ass Shanahan wont let him do anything else

Lance no, he's getting slot money as #3 pick and he will at most have only one year of action.


Usually a guy in Purdys situation has no leverage because he was a 7th rounder. But if he puts up a respectable season, lets say Jimmy in 2019 type of season, I can see him asking for a raise but not a crazy raise. Just making more than what some 9 to 5 tech guy in bay area is getting. Lol

 

[The Devil's Advocate]

The schedule is easy enough but it makes no sense. We have a healthy Trey Lance who we can play the 1st, 4 or 5 games at worst and our goal this season above anything is to get the fukking 1 seed.

I mean I get it in a sense... Dude went undefeated until he got hurt. Some coaches will have you compete again, some will say the job is yours regardless of injury...

But to not even have a full season, PLUS an injury, PLUS not throwing the ball 90% of the summer, PLUS being a shytty college player who nobody picked, PLUS being SB or bust..............

Nah..

 

[jwonder]

Ummmmmm

@jwonder and @Heretic



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Aight I’m out @Ishlibidish23 you take it from here!

Don't mention me in posts.

 

[jwonder]

Welcome to the 2023 Player Analysis. I will look at the roster and take a look at each player on our team. For those that are new players are graded on an A to F grade based on recent/current performance and potential. Overall grades are not an average but relative to the their current and future value. As per tradition we we will start with the Quarterbacks.

Quarterbacks

Brock Purdy - 2022 Draft Mr. Irrelevant. The final pick in the draft. Usually doomed to a life of obscurity at best and an early camp cut at worst. But due to a season ending injury to both starters Jimmy Garrapolo and 2nd year QB Trey Lance, Purdy was thrust into the starting lineup. In cleanup duty he posted a pretty impressive 13 TDs and only 4 INT and throwing another 3 TDs in the post seasons. Pretty impressive for a rookie. Brock does not have the strongest arm but he is has proven himself to be a pretty accurate QB averaging about a 65% completion rating. Very respectable for a rookie. The biggest beneficiary was George Kittle to whom Kittle passed 8 TDs to. Brock is decisive with the ball and has enough athleticism to avoid sacks and scramble for a few key yards as well. I have heard some interesting comparisons, but I might go with Boomer who basically thought Purdy was a poor man's Joe Montana in the sense that he won't wow you physically but he has very good intangibles. It's clear the organization sees Brock as the QB of the future as they are rushing to get him back into this year's training came and so long as there are no setbacks he is the clear starter. He is already the most accomplished Mr. Irrelevant of all time (hell he is already more accomplished than some current NFL starters). Time will tell if he can maintain this trajectory but with the teams weapons and with Kyle's confidence in him he can continue to improve and develop.

Performance: B
Potential: B
Overall: B

Trey Lance - #3 Pick in the 2021 Draft. Trey Lance has been dealt an unfortunate hand. Injuring himself in game 2 in his first season as a starter, while the season went on without him, the rise of Brock Purdy now puts his future with the team in jeopardy. Trey Lance is clearly competing for the primary backup spot and with the way this team seems to be snakebitten, he would need to stay loose, as he could be called in sooner than expected. Also there may be a possibility Trey Lance lines up as the QB on certain plays or packages, Trey unlike Brock as has great athleticism and elite arm strength, he has the potential to make explosive plays and all reports are that he has worked hard in his rehab and has had his nose in the playbook. It's tough to say if he has a long term future with the team but I get the feeling Kyle Shanahan will find snaps for him as he can contribute in one way or another.

Performance: C
Potential: B+
Overall: B-

Sam Darnold - Sam Darnold was the #3 in the 2018 Draft. Darnold has had a tough go of it since he has been in the league. Drafted to a bad Jets team who did not ever really believe in him, Sam went through the ups and downs that young quarter backs go through, After the 2020 the Jets decided to give up on him and trade him to the Carolina Panthers for a 2021 6th and future 2nd and 4th round picks. Not exactly a kings ransom. Sam has some physical talent but during his stints in New York and Carolina he has a tendency to play hero ball and make reckless throws many of which end up in the hands of the opponent. I think Sam is young enough to fix himself and the 49ers are a successful organization. But a lot of pundits have this fantasy that he will magically fulfill his potential and become a future starter but more realistically, he is the 3rd QB after Brock and Trey and all he really needs to be, even if called to the starting lineup is to be a game manager and take the yards that are given to him. If he can do that perhaps he can rehab his career and at worst he can be a long term backup who can be competent enough in a game situation or play in garbage time in the case of a blowout.

Performance: C-
Potential: C
Overall: C-

Brandon Allen - Longtime NFL backup. Brandon Allen has not started in many games. Brandon is basically going to be on the practice squad as an emergency backup. He is a professional who will probably play a few more years as a backup and end up as a high school or college coach somewhere maybe work in a front office.

Performance: D
Potential: D
Overall: D

Unit Analysis:

The first 2 QBs are not even 24 years old yet, but both of them have bright futures ahead of them. Hopefully with the 49ers. Sam Darnold is about as good as you can get for a 3rd QB. You hope he never has to start but if he did, even he can win a few games with this offensive and conservative playcalling. Brandon Allen does have starting experience but I wonder if we could have signed Carson Wentz for a 1 year cheap deal as I think he is better than Darnold and with the luck we have at QB, we need to be 4 QBs deep with starting experience. But either way, this is a solid unit that if either Brock or Trey can stay upright are good enough to lead a deep playoff run combined with this teams elite weapons maybe even a Super Bowl (with the right matchup).

Unit Grade: B

Great analysis. I don't like how they are doing Treay, but I don't think Purdy is a one hit wonder. Too much confidence and great knowledge of the offense. You just don't see a rookie come in and look like a vet like that. Who can we name like that? Not many QB's Herbert is all I can think of.

Yo Allen is better than Darnold's bum ass.

 

[The Devil's Advocate]

How does Bosa still not have an extension signed ?

Cause he wants the BAG

 

[feelosofer]

I mean I get it in a sense... Dude went undefeated until he got hurt. Some coaches will have you compete again, some will say the job is yours regardless of injury...

But to not even have a full season, PLUS an injury, PLUS not throwing the ball 90% of the summer, PLUS being a shytty college player who nobody picked, PLUS being SB or bust..............

Nah..

I actually think other teams missed on Purdy even last training camp, he impressed me in the Pre-season last year and his college tape showed he has some skills as a player. It's not really an indictment of Purdy as I do think he is the best QB on the team but we have a capable QB in Lance and we should use him and allow Purdy the time to warm up and get really get healthy. I think we have the best roster in the NFL, lets take advantage of the silly amounts of depth we have.

 

[Dr. Narcisse]

That is a recurring theme with Shanny. He does not know how to evaluate qbs.

TBF it could be worse. He could have drafted Zach Wilson (who was more highly touted)

Zach probably doesnt get injured out of losing his job. And the offense would be QB friendly enough to still keep him out there.


Trey might be a lost cause, but he's unknown enough to warrant a decent trade asset. And still has potential if Kyle ever gives him a legit chance.


Fieds (even if Brock is technically "better" today)/ CMAC and Debo would have been tho

 

[nightwing2016]

TBF it could be worse. He could have drafted Zach Wilson (who was more highly touted)

Zach probably doesnt get injured out of losing his job. And the offense would be QB friendly enough to still keep him out there.


Trey might be a lost cause, but he's unknown enough to warrant a decent trade asset. And still has potential if Kyle ever gives him a legit chance.


Fieds (even if Brock is technically "better" today)/ CMAC and Debo would have been tho

I wanted fields, I was on here saying fields is the best choice the moment we traded down to third I was like that’s the guy. Turns out we could have had him without moving and could have used our next two first to build out the roster.

 

[Dr. Narcisse]

I wanted fields, I was on here saying fields is the best choice the moment we traded down to third I was like that’s the guy. Turns out we could have had him without moving and could have used our next two first to build out the roster.

I legit think Trey is what Kyle feared Fields would be. Injury prone and his throwing motion difficult to change/improve.

But yea Fields + picks.....nice.

 

[Bryan Danielson]

 

[The Devil's Advocate]

I wanted fields, I was on here saying fields is the best choice the moment we traded down to third I was like that’s the guy. Turns out we could have had him without moving and could have used our next two first to build out the roster.

This leaves out Shanny's playcalling though. Once he gets a mobile QB, the entire playbook is changed and he starts risking his QB to do cute shyt.. Ruined RG3's career, then played it safe with Cousins to success... Played it safe with Jimmy, success... Gets Trey, fukks him up with stupid playcalling... Gets Brock, plays it safe to success

I feel like he'd do the same with Fields and have him running 15 times a game and injured.. I remember them talking about how he was drawing up all these new plays for Lance after one visit.. That's all he sees... "Oooo fast. Run ball."

If he played RG and Lance like the others, but they scramble out of trouble, everyone would be better off

 

[nightwing2016]

This leaves out Shanny's playcalling though. Once he gets a mobile QB, the entire playbook is changed and he starts risking his QB to do cute shyt.. Ruined RG3's career, then played it safe with Cousins to success... Played it safe with Jimmy, success... Gets Trey, fukks him up with stupid playcalling... Gets Brock, plays it safe to success

I feel like he'd do the same with Fields and have him running 15 times a game and injured.. I remember them talking about how he was drawing up all these new plays for Lance after one visit.. That's all he sees... "Oooo fast. Run ball."

If he played RG and Lance like the others, but they scramble out of trouble, everyone would be better off

I think the problem with fields is that he advocates for himself more. I doubt he would be cool with all those running plays he even called it out after the 49ers played the bears. I think Kyle struggles against players that would say nah f that. Like the story when he met Tom Brady during free agency and basically explained the way he wants to do things wouldn’t work and cited the falcons Super Bowl as his example

 

[JLova]

Poor guy.

 

[JLova]

TBF it could be worse. He could have drafted Zach Wilson (who was more highly touted)

Zach probably doesnt get injured out of losing his job. And the offense would be QB friendly enough to still keep him out there.


Trey might be a lost cause, but he's unknown enough to warrant a decent trade asset. And still has potential if Kyle ever gives him a legit chance.


Fieds (even if Brock is technically "better" today)/ CMAC and Debo would have been tho

Nah, Kyle and co are idiots. It's OK to miss on players but this is inexcusable. We could have traded down and gotten Fields. We trade up and get a player we don't even use and bench for the last pick in the draft after starting what 2-3 games?

Can't even trade him for much now because failed on the trade value front as well.