So we gon act like Roy Jones didn't tie Marciano's record?

[Black_Jesus]

Floyd weight drained Corales??

Do tell

 

[Achille]

Real shyt. That weight loss hurt Roy for the 1st Tarver fight. But Roy was in great shape for the 2nd fight. Roy looked great in there and was going in on Tarver. He tried to Montell Griffin Tarver and got caught slippin. Roy was still prime in that fight. It's the knockout that really ruined dude more than anything.

If he doesn't get caught, he probably runs through Tarver, but I guess that's why Roy didn't fight like that often.

The damaged on his body was already done from the first fight but Roy pulled out tough victory over Tarver. Roy lost like 25lbs of muscle in like 3 months he had to kill himself to get that weight off since he only had like 3% body fat. His muscles and nerves eroded which destroyed all his attributes reflexes and reaction time. All Roy did to lose the muscle mass was run and do more cardio which is why he looked so sickly the first fight. The same things happen with Chris Byrd when he tried to move from HW to LHW and he got knocked since he was trying to run off the extra weight. For the first Tarver fight Roy didn’t have strength conditioning coach to get the weight off like he did when he bulked up with Mackie Shilstone to HW. Even Mackie told RJJ he was making a mistake going back down in weight and he is trainer. The 2nd Tarver fight Mackie came back but the damage was already done from the first fight.

Anyway check the interview quotes below from Mackie Shilstone he pretty much says the same thing I already said above.

BOXINGTALK : EXCLUSIVE INTERVIEW: MACKIE SHILSTONE

June 12, 2008
EXCLUSIVE INTERVIEW: MACKIE SHILSTONE
By Krishen Rangi

How much of an issue is a fighter moving up taking the naturally bigger guy's shots. What have Spinks, Jones, Hopkins, guys like that said about their ability to absorb punches at higher weights?

I don't know of any fighter in the business of taking punches. Depends on the fighter if he has the power to take the punches. It's as much mental as it is physical. In the Jones/Ruiz fight we wanted to break his nose, that was the plan. We knew Ruiz had broken his nose in the Holyfield fight, and Roy broke his nose in the 6th round. He couldnt breathe out of it after that.


What happened to Roy Jones when he went back down to light-heavyweight to fight Tarver after you had helped him move up and beat Ruiz for the heavyweight title?

You have to remember Roy is such a talented athlete. The muscle that was put on is very difficult to take off. It was a very tough fight. Draining to anyone but he ended up winning. The same thing happended to Tarver when he did the Rocky movie. He was in the 220s then he came down and he was compromised against Bernard. I would have liked to see Roy stay at heavyweight, and I told him that. I think Roy would have beaten Tyson. I think Roy would have beaten Holyfield, but the fights weren't there. Muscle is not easy to take off, it affects your immune system.


How much did Roy weigh for the Ruiz fight?

200 lbs.


There was a story circulating he had weights in his pocket and he really weighed 193.

Before we went down for the weigh-in we were all kidding what Roy would weigh. Roy had been in the range of 199-200. What happned was Roy got on the scale and a fight broke out between Alton Merkerson and Ruiz's camp. Mark Ratner who was doing the weigh-in never let the scale adjust because the fight had broke out. I know Mark, and told him that's not his weight you should correct it. When Roy went to the hotel room and got on the scale he was laughing and saying "I can't believe it". He takes his shirt off and steps on the scale, and this is on the documentary ESPN did called "The Sweet Science". Mark Ratner was there too. I told him to call HBO so they wouldn't think it was rebound weight and they mentioned that on the broadcast.

 

[LauderdaleBoss]

So nobody was watching boxing 10 years ago? This shyt was well known. When Corrales came back he fought at 135lbs. He was already getting too big for 130 an was ready to move up before the Floyd fight, Floyd insisted it be at 130. It was the biggest fight for both dudes at the time so nikkas made it happen.



For no misunderstanding, I'm not trying to taint the win. It's Floyd's most complete performance but if we gonna front on the Toney win with the weight drained shyt then we gotta remember Corrales too.

 

[seemorecizzy]

So nobody was watching boxing 10 years ago? This shyt was well known. When Corrales came back he fought at 135lbs. He was already getting too big for 130 an was ready to move up before the Floyd fight, Floyd insisted it be at 130. It was the biggest fight for both dudes at the time so nikkas made it happen.



For no misunderstanding, I'm not trying to taint the win. It's Floyd's most complete performance but if we gonna front on the Toney win with the weight drained shyt then we gotta remember Corrales too.

Corrales wasnt weight drained in either fight

 

[Black Ball]

So nobody was watching boxing 10 years ago? This shyt was well known. When Corrales came back he fought at 135lbs. He was already getting too big for 130 an was ready to move up before the Floyd fight, Floyd insisted it be at 130. It was the biggest fight for both dudes at the time so nikkas made it happen.



For no misunderstanding, I'm not trying to taint the win. It's Floyd's most complete performance but if we gonna front on the Toney win with the weight drained shyt then we gotta remember Corrales too.

Insisted? It was a title fight breh. You wanted them fight 10 rounds at 135? I don't remember any talk of Corrales being weight drained. He had just come off a knockout victory of Manfredy 3 months prior. Only thing I remember was dude maybe not being focussed because he was being called out for beating on his wife/baby mama.

 

[LauderdaleBoss]

Who said anything about 10 rounds breh.

So ya'll acting like he aint have that jail sentence coming up huh?

 

[Black Ball]

Who said anything about 10 rounds breh.

So ya'll acting like he aint have that jail sentence coming up huh?

10 rounds is what you fight in a non-title fight breh.

 

[Black_Jesus]

10 rounds is what you fight in a non-title fight breh.

 

[Black Ball]

Yes I'm sure. Nowadays they will create title elimination bouts and bs like that to get by. But back then if a title aint on the line it's 10.

 

[ChocolateGiddyUp]

Who said anything about 10 rounds breh.

So ya'll acting like he aint have that jail sentence coming up huh?

Mayweather was facing jail time for the same exact thing N beat the breaks off of Cotto

The Hopkins Roy beat in the 90s was obviously not on the same level as the Hopkins that whooped Tito N Oscar

Y'all nikkas is really over rating Toney as well dude was nice a HOF no doubt but come the fukk on wit some of the shyt yall saying about dude

 

[LauderdaleBoss]

Nobody was trying to make a big fight between Floyd/Chico a fukking 10 round bout. Not all non title fights are 10 rounds either. You got title eliminators that go 12 rds too.

As far as weight drained Corrales. I know what I remember. Ask any boxing writer or person who followed the sport at the time and they'll tell you dude struggled in camp with the whole pending jail time shyt and that Chico was getting too big for 130 and that he wanted to move up to 135. I'm not saying dude was on some Brandon Rios type shyt with the weight though.

If nobody can remember it's cool. I'm not gonna argue that shyt any more although my original point still stands that Roy Jones victory over Toney was a bigger win than Floyd's win over Corrales.

and like I said earlier if you saying Floyd is better/higher ranked than Roy what 2 names are on his record that are better than Hopkins and Toney?

 

[Black Ball]

Nobody was trying to make a big fight between Floyd/Chico a fukking 10 round bout. Not all non title fights are 10 rounds either. You got title eliminators that go 12 rds too.

As far as weight drained Corrales. I know what I remember. Ask any boxing writer or person who followed the sport at the time and they'll tell you dude struggled in camp with the whole pending jail time shyt and that Chico was getting too big for 130 and that he wanted to move up to 135. I'm not saying dude was on some Brandon Rios type shyt with the weight though.

If nobody can remember it's cool. I'm not gonna argue that shyt any more although my original point still stands that Roy Jones victory over Toney was a bigger win than Floyd's win over Corrales.

and like I said earlier if you saying Floyd is better/higher ranked than Roy what 2 names are on his record that are better than Hopkins and Toney?

Did you even read my post about the bolded?

Anyway...


Names?

Mosley
De La Hoya
JMM

All these dudes will probably be ranked over James Toney.

 

[LauderdaleBoss]

Mayweather was facing jail time for the same exact thing N beat the breaks off of Cotto

The Hopkins Roy beat in the 90s was obviously not on the same level as the Hopkins that whooped Tito N Oscar

Y'all nikkas is really over rating Toney as well dude was nice a HOF no doubt but come the fukk on wit some of the shyt yall saying about dude

You comparing Chico facing about a year to Floyd doing like what 90 days?


Toney was that dude breh. See ya'll prolly got the fat Toney that was struggling with Sam Peter in ya heads. We talking about prime early 90's Toney. If you don't realize how great a fighter that he was then........ I don't know what to say.

Again with Hopkins dude was the same type of fighter. The fighter that lost to Roy would still beat Oscar and Tito. So many people ran with that Hopkins was green or inexperienced myth that nikkas just accepted it and kept it moving.

and still nobody has named 2 better names on Floyd record than Hopkins and Toney.

 

[LauderdaleBoss]

Did you even read my post about the bolded?

Anyway...


Names?

Mosley
De La Hoya
JMM

All these dudes will probably be ranked over James Toney.

We really ranking Mosely over James Toney now in all time rankings. The same Toney who beat cats like Michael Nunn, Iran Barkely, Mike McCallum, Jirov etc... wow

same thing with Dela Hoya who lost most of his big fights. same thing with JMM
Sad shyt is Floyd beat them cats when they were older and in the later stages of their career. Roy beat Toney when he was atop of p4p lists and was in his physical prime. I don't get ya'll logic on this one.
This nikka said Shane Mosely

 

[InvictusAeternusEternus]

Nobody was trying to make a big fight between Floyd/Chico a fukking 10 round bout. Not all non title fights are 10 rounds either. You got title eliminators that go 12 rds too.

As far as weight drained Corrales. I know what I remember. Ask any boxing writer or person who followed the sport at the time and they'll tell you dude struggled in camp with the whole pending jail time shyt and that Chico was getting too big for 130 and that he wanted to move up to 135. I'm not saying dude was on some Brandon Rios type shyt with the weight though.

If nobody can remember it's cool. I'm not gonna argue that shyt any more although my original point still stands that Roy Jones victory over Toney was a bigger win than Floyd's win over Corrales.

and like I said earlier if you saying Floyd is better/higher ranked than Roy what 2 names are on his record that are better than Hopkins and Toney?

He fought lightweight once when he got out of jail the went back to junior lightweight/ superfetherweight for his next 5 fights.