So we gon act like Roy Jones didn't tie Marciano's record?

[Roid Jones]

No one has mentioned him getting caught juicing either.

 

[Black Ball]

I'm at a loss for words at nikkas in here calling Roy Jones Jr. overrated. I've literally never heard the words Roy Jones and overrated uttered in the same sentence before today....

The only reason I can think of why nikkas would say Floyd's defense is so superior to Prime Roy besides the fact that so many Floyd stans roam this site is that Roy defense was so fundamentally impractical and unorthodox...

Just think about how late in his career his chin finally got tested.. I was literally like when I seen that weak Tarver KO..

Roy's chin got tested in the 2nd Montell Griffin fight. Roy stood in and took some good ass shots from him. It also got tested in the 1st Tarvar fight, where Roy showed great heart and rallied to pullout a hard fought victory.

Roy acted like a ho in the 3rd Tarver fight though. I was really hurt at how my dude behaved. Roy was the better fighter in the ring that night, but he chose to act like a coward and not even try to win the fight. He admited that all he wanted to do is go the distance & not necessarily win

He could easily beat Tarver to the punch, which he showed in flashes that night. Roy still had all the tools for the most part that night, but his fear kept him from performing like he should have. He was done after that in my eyes.

 

[Achille]

I am a big fan of his but lets be reality, Roy fought a lot of bums like dude fought teachers, cops & firemen

Hopkins, Toney, Mayweather, Calzaghe etc all had their string of bums as well but it seems when it comes to Roy everything is under the microscope to try to discredit him when he was on top.

 

[Scottie Drippin]

Hopkins, Toney, Mayweather, Calzaghe etc all had their string of bums as well but it seems when it comes to Roy everything is under the microscope to try to discredit him when he was on top.

Because none of them left as many good fighters around as Roy did. The top competition around him was European and he didn't want anything to do with it. Understandably, after what happened to him in the Olympics he didn't want to get robbed, but still, dude had a handful of undefeated fighters at 168, 175, and cruiser and got to none of them. The people that B-Hop missed at 160 he eventually got to at 175 like Pavlik and Winky. Post Griffin, the only W that Roy got that matters is JCG to unify like 9 belts in the division before he went to heavy.

 

[Roid Jones]

Hopkins, Toney, Mayweather, Calzaghe etc all had their string of bums as well but it seems when it comes to Roy everything is under the microscope to try to discredit him when he was on top.

What?! Roy probably has the longest list of elite fighters in his era he did not fight, I give him a pass on Michalczewsk

 

[Black Ball]

Hopkins, Toney, Mayweather, Calzaghe etc all had their string of bums as well but it seems when it comes to Roy everything is under the microscope to try to discredit him when he was on top.

Not entirely Roy's fault, but Roy fought bummier bums than most because he cared so much about defending the belts against bs mandatories. He unlike alot of other greats, didn't realize that he was bigger than the belts & those stupid mandatories.

 

[Achille]

Because none of them left as many good fighters around as Roy did. The top competition around him was European and he didn't want anything to do with it. Understandably, after what happened to him in the Olympics he didn't want to get robbed, but still, dude had a handful of undefeated fighters at 168, 175, and cruiser and got to none of them. The people that B-Hop missed at 160 he eventually got to at 175 like Pavlik and Winky.

LOL most of the people Hopkins fought to break the title defense record at MW were bums. RJJ cleaned out the division for LHW he had pretty much every belt except the WBO belt which Darius Mikelcheski had. Everybody else would put his name in their mouths but wouldn't really want to fight him such as Hopkins, Joe Calzaghe even though they wouldn't move up in weight until Roy loss. We all know once Roy went back down in weight to LHW he was never the same fighter and that's was his declining moment.

Anyway it is what is, we all got our opinions on the matter. So we can agree to disagree.

 

[Black_Jesus]

Not entirely Roy's fault, but Roy fought bummier bums than most because he cared so much about defending the belts against bs mandatories. He unlike alot of other greats, didn't realize that he was bigger than the belts & those stupid mandatories.

The mandaories aren't bullshyt... Every title holder should be forced to continue and defend their title.. No one is bigger than boxing.. When boxers started believing they were.bigger than the sport that's when boxing declined in my opinion

 

[mastermind]

How can prime Roy be overrated??

im basing it on claims dude is the best fighter of the last 30 years. He isnt. Manny, Floyd>>Roy

Chavez>>>Roy

Holyfield>>>Roy.

Tyson fought plenty of bums too, but unlike Floyd, Tyson and Jones never ducked anyone nor came up with endless excuses..

first of all, fukk off with Floyd ducking.

Secondly, we dont have a complete record with Tyson as he went to prison for 3 years. What we do know about Tyson is that when big fighters used their height against dude he got found out.

Roy fought bums in the late 90s/early 2000s. Not a couple of bums, he fought nothing but bums.

Its nit theie fault they made their opponents look like bums..

the irony here is that you dont use this reasoning for Floyd.

There's nothing questionable about their legacies...They cleaned out their weight divisions until they finally slowed down and got beat.. They took on all challengers consistently.. They didn't retire twice and go on fake vacations like that bytch... How dare you call a fighter overrated that dominated their weight classes for 10 plus years.. Are you stupid??

I never said their resumes were questionable, I said they are overrated by fans.

As for your other stuff, keep Floyd's dikk out of your mind, thats gay bro.

 

[Black Ball]

The mandaories aren't bullshyt... Every title holder should be forced to continue and defend their title.. No one is bigger than boxing.. When boxers started believing they were.bigger than the sport that's when boxing declined in my opinion

Boxers aren't bigger than the sport, but the stars are most def bigger than the numerous corrupt ABC title organizations out there.

Once there became so many title belts in each weight class, titles became alot more trivial. Think how great the sport would be with only 1 title in each weightclass. Holding the belt would actually have great meaning again.

 

[Kunty McPhuck]

Let me drop a couple of gems from yesterdays era

ProjectCOVO.com Global Forum - View Single Post - Roy Jones Jr. wants to fight MMA

ProjectCOVO.com Global Forum - View Single Post - Margarito-Mosley FINALLY Confirmed For January 24th at Mandalay Bay

 

[Jutt]

I'm at a loss for words at nikkas in here calling Roy Jones Jr. overrated. I've literally never heard the words Roy Jones and overrated uttered in the same sentence before today....

The only reason I can think of why nikkas would say Floyd's defense is so superior to Prime Roy besides the fact that so many Floyd stans roam this site is that Roy defense was so fundamentally impractical and unorthodox...

Just think about how late in his career his chin finally got tested.. I was literally like when I seen that weak Tarver KO..

Because it is...Roy's defense was all legs and reflexes, as soon as his physical gifts began to decline, he was getting chin checked. I dont even know how you can claim to be a boxing fan and not see that...

 

[krackdagawd]

Because it is...Roy's defense was all legs and reflexes, as soon as his physical gifts began to decline, he was getting chin checked. I dont even know how you can claim to be a boxing fan and not see that...

Couldn't have said it better myself. Floyd has the fundamentals that Roy has always lacked. This is the reason Roy is getting stretched in fights and Hopkins is still competitive and flat out beating guys in his 40s, one has his boxing fundamentals and the other does not.

Does this mean Roy wasn't amazing in his prime? Of course not but lets not get carried away here.

 

[Jutt]

Couldn't have said it better myself. Floyd has the fundamentals that Roy has always lacked. This is the reason Roy is getting stretched in fights and Hopkins is still competitive and flat out beating guys in his 40s, one has his boxing fundamentals and the other does not.

Does this mean Roy wasn't amazing in his prime? Of course not but lets not get carried away here.

Roy was great, but he was never challenged, he fought all those mandatories against garbage men and police officers and never really fought anyone that could push him. As soon as his legs went, he was done. Just like in basketball..Kobe isnt as athletic as he was in his prime, so what did he do? Worked his post game and other things to make up for that. Roy would hop in with both hands down and hop back out..as soon as he started slowing down dudes started checkin him.

 

[Black_Jesus]

Because it is...Roy's defense was all legs and reflexes, as soon as his physical gifts began to decline, he was getting chin checked. I dont even know how you can claim to be a boxing fan and not see that...

No shyt.. Whatever Roy was doing all those years to not get hit worked, because... His defense was godlike reflexes and footwork" DO NOT try and downplay those facts