So we ain't been back to the Moon since '72?

acri1

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that's why im like "huh?" cuz from acri's standpoint it seems as though space exploration/travel should all be ended on some "we been there done that" steeze

applying the same logic would halt all research on basically everything we've just began to understand/uncover...fukk them pyramids!...we already seen them.

how in the hell is it possibly cheaper to send an manmade object into deep space just to get back grainy ass pics several years later of planets that are hundreds (if not more) times further away from earth than our own moon?....mind you said space probes/rover are manmade to be durable enough to defy gravity then exit our atmosphere and fly around in space for years on a “mission” of some sort…these missions cannot be anything less than several hundred millions of dollars to make possible from start to finish….i hardly believe that sending trained astronauts in a shuttle to our closest celestial buddy could be that much more expensive…especially because 40 years progression of technology should have (and more than likely has) provided the know how to make the process more streamlined, cheaper…”easier” if you will….especially since we’ve “been there before”

....i dig what you other guys are saying...but just for the simple sake of curiosity that drives humanity...it's funny to me that ya'll are saying "oh it's just rocks"...nothing to see here...when we've only had 1 manmade trip EVER

we literally have a new nat geo doc weekly of the same wonders of the world, landmarks, ancient civilizations towns so on and so forth yet we go back again and again to uncover "new and hidden" secrets for these places... the concept doesn’t hold true for the moon? ....folks get boosted to go see a giant gash in the earth’s crust made by a constant water trickle (yay family trip to the grand canyon)...but later for further moon exploration because it’s just rocks?!

Ooooh kay

Breh...I'm not making any sort of judgment call on whether we should or shouldn't go back to the moon, I'm just telling you why there's not too much interest in it at the moment.

But I don't think you really understand how much more expensive it is to go to a moon than it is to go see the pyramids or something. It's exponentially, massively more expensive. And you don't realy know anything - at all - about space travel if you think sending a human somewhere is cheaper than sending a probe. Humans are fragile, you have to have air, water, food, air pressure, a way back, etc.

And it's not cheaper than it was back then because we haven't developed that area of technology. We've been more focused on things like computing.
 

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Breh...I'm not making any sort of judgment call on whether we should or shouldn't go back to the moon, I'm just telling you why there's not too much interest in it at the moment.

But I don't think you really understand how much more expensive it is to go to a moon than it is to go see the pyramids or something. It's exponentially, massively more expensive. And you don't realy know anything - at all - about space travel if you think sending a human somewhere is cheaper than sending a probe. Humans are fragile, you have to have air, water, food, air pressure, a way back, etc.

And it's not cheaper than it was back then because we haven't developed that area of technology. We've been more focused on things like computing.

just so we get this clear...i'm not coming at you directly about your explanation...i just think it doesn’t hold water..thus my responses

as for the bolded...its clear i must not have typed out my responses correctly because i did not compare the price of space travel to visiting the pyramids so I don’t know where you pulled that from

...true...i don't know exact costs of sending manned missions vs unmanned missions into space...but my earlier point was that both have unnaturally high costs regardless of which one is more so how is one justified while the other is not?...and furthermore how/why are the probed missions deemed more reasonable or necessary….it’s curiosity that drives these missions….no? it’s not like they’ve found some jackpot of life sustaining ore to be mined on Jupiter or that we knew something like that was out there so we went to re-up…so until they find “something” useful other than pics and atmospheric data…how is the expense of the probing/researching justified

...another thing is if we've developed the technology to send probes years away into space...how have we not developed technology to send people to the moon?...essentially a hop and skip away from earth in terms of how far probes go?

Mind you…. these questions of mine aren’t for you to answer directly....unless you want to...these are just things i would like further explanation on based on what you've been saying
 

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just so we get this clear...i'm not coming at you directly about your explanation...i just think it doesn’t hold water..thus my responses

as for the bolded...its clear i must not have typed out my responses correctly because i did not compare the price of space travel to visiting the pyramids so I don’t know where you pulled that from

...true...i don't know exact costs of sending manned missions vs unmanned missions into space...but my earlier point was that both have unnaturally high costs regardless of which one is more so how is one justified while the other is not?...and furthermore how/why are the probed missions deemed more reasonable or necessary….it’s curiosity that drives these missions….no? it’s not like they’ve found some jackpot of life sustaining ore to be mined on Jupiter or that we knew something like that was out there so we went to re-up…so until they find “something” useful other than pics and atmospheric data…how is the expense of the probing/researching justified

...another thing is if we've developed the technology to send probes years away into space...how have we not developed technology to send people to the moon?...essentially a hop and skip away from earth in terms of how far probes go?

Mind you…. these questions of mine aren’t for you to answer directly....unless you want to...these are just things i would like further explanation on based on what you've been saying

You just don't seem to understand that it's much, much, much, much, much cheaper to send a probe to the moon than it is to send astronauts. All the life-support you need isn't cheap. Probes don't need air, water, heat, food, pressure, etc. to function.

And we don't even have the technology to send people to any other planets in the solar system, whereas we've sent probes to every planet known. Sending a person somewhere is not the same as sending a probe.

Plus you CAN'T have manned missions to the gas giant planets because they don't even have solid surfaces, plus the pressure would crush a human. Again, sending a probe and sending a person are wildly different. You can't say "Well if they can send a probe they can send a human", doesn't work like that. The only place we can send a human currently is the moon, and right now most people don't think it's worth the cost.
 

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We weren't first in space..so we had to be first on the moon. That was the whole purpose of the mission originally, then it was to gather data.

NASA new objective is to send a man to Mars and a Astroid. NASA won't go back to the moon until the other countries get close to going. Outside of that there is no where else in space for man to go..and survive. NASA probes get destroyed after minutes of going into the Gas Giants because there is no surface, storms and pressure. They dont even send probes out to most of the planets anymore or take pictures. One of the satellites from decades ago just started to reach deep space after taking the only picture of pluto lolol There isnt much justification for anything. In the next 70 years we will only have touched Earth, the Moon, Mars, and Asteroid and maybe a Gas Giants moon.
 

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The Apollo missions cost NASA around $25 billion in 1969. Then even with all that money invested Apollo was beaten by Rocky and later killed by a Soviet. Its so demonic, friends.
 

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that doesn't make sense at all...we have no problems making it rain for literally any other reason ever...why would space travel be any different?

what about building lunar space stations and continually sending out satellites/probes/rovers to maintain our Direct-TV, GPS and weather forecasting technology...that shyt is not free...and certainly isn't cheap

Fixed for you breh breh. :jawalrus:
 

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Oh...and some of you may find this book interesting:

READ THE VERY FIRST REVIEW, BROTHER!

This is an interesting book, a good read, but if you read Hoagland's book with a critical mind, which is better than reading it with a biased, gullible, or overly suggestible mind, when you come to the section on his lunar dome hypothesis, which is roughly thirty percent into the book, you should begin to shake your head.

Hoagland is convinced there are literally billions of "watch crystal" pieces of glass suspended over the moon on an ancient rebar structure, the remains of artificial domes that were inhabited by ancient intelligent beings. He has "validated and confirmed" for himself this hypothesis from tiny shards of visual evidence he finds scattered here and there in lunar images, such as AS17-134-20426 (Google "Project Apollo Image Gallery" and go the the Hasselbad magazine for Apollo 17). That image, for instance, shows a streak of light in the sky above the astronaut. For Hoagland, it's proof positive of his hypothesis, complete with exclamation points!

As you read Hoagland's chronological account of how he came up with this lunar dome hypothesis and how he gradually confirmed it for himself, you will get a good picture of how a confirmation bias operates in a person. You have a belief - it doesn't matter where you got the belief - it's a belief that you want so badly to be confirmed that you begin to "see" selectively. Therefore everything you "see," confirms your belief. Evidence that doesn't confirm your belief, you just don't "see." You buffer it out before it even come's into consideration. Hoagland's lunar dome hypothesis and his subjective validation of that belief is such a clear example of confirmation bias, that, for me, it puts everything he has written under a towering dome of doubt and suspicion. It's a pity, really. One can't logically conclude that he is in error, factually, about every conclusion he reaches just because he is hopelessly biased, but the problem is that his conclusions cannot be trusted. The way he "proves" his lunar dome hypothesis combined with his total, inflexible certainty in its existence, puts his credibility starkly in issue. Anyone with a critical mind who is interested in the possibility of ancient, intelligent activity elsewhere in our solar system, can't reasonably rely on what Hoagland offers.

The tendency to affirm what one believes is a tendency that most of us have. You have to be really vigilant to avoid it, particularly when there is an emotional stake in the conclusion you want to reach - passion. It means challenging yourself at every turn, looking with just as much passion at all the evidence that contradicts your hypothesis. That isn't easy to do, particularly if you have a passionate belief that you want desperately to confirm. If you don't exercise real care and vigilance, you will only end up crystallizing a belief structure in yourself. We do it all the time.

I don't feel Hoagland has enough of the "scientist" in himself. He has more than enough of the "crusader" and more than enough of the "whistle-blower" and he has more than enough passion and energy. Those are all fine qualities but they need to be mediated by the "scientist."

I don't get the feeling that Hoagland is a fraud in the sense that he is deliberately capitalizing on gullible people's interest in extraterrestrial life. I think it's that he's operating under the influence of a confirmation bias and isn't aware of it. That's the way the confirmation bias always works. It governs your thinking only to the extent you are unaware of it's influence. A bias ceases to have power over you when you become sufficiently aware of it.

:flabbynsick:
 

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The Nazis are already there brehs, they don't want us to come back.

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IF we believe the official story then its sad that we havent kept up on the technology and improved upon human space travel in the past 40 yrs. on the bright side our probe and telescope game has gotten better at least. Look at the amazing things we have seen with Hubble. If we cant go anywhere ourselves at least we can now discover other planets through telescopes. Its encouraging to think of what the next generation of scopes will find out there :leon:
 
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