So THIS is the trailer trolling muslims that got the American killed

[theworldismine13]

Why on Earth would I want a link to one of your threads when I can travel to the nearest farm and see some real BS?

i dont have a thread about it, its a side comment that i made and one that sent muslims into conniptions

as far as the facts, its a known historical fact that the british empire forced muslims to stop enslaving people, africans specifically

 

[wize fool]

i dont have a thread about it, its a side comment that i made and one that sent muslims into conniptions

as far as the facts, its a known historical fact that the british empire forced muslims to stop enslaving people, africans specifically

So you have no link? Ok. Just checking.

 

[t_ripley]

The fact anybody died over this piece of shyt film boggles the mind to intense levels

 

[theworldismine13]

So you have no link? Ok. Just checking.

oh my bad

BBC - Religions - Islam: Slavery in Islam

The outside pressure came from colonial powers that had only recently abandoned slavery themselves:

Colonial powers such as Britain and France applied great pressure for the abolition of slavery in their dominions. This pressure was successful in some places, like Egypt, but much less influential in others.
Colonial powers also took direct action against slave traders: the British Navy played a role in intercepting and taking action against slave traders, and between 1817 and 1890 signed treaties with over 80 territories allowing them to do this.
Christian missionaries, including David Livingstone, aroused public indignation in the West.

British colonial power played a major role, enforcing treaties that prohibited slaving.

The British felt that they had a mission to do this - as can be seen from this Foreign Office document of 1861:

 

[wize fool]

oh my bad

BBC - Religions - Islam: Slavery in Islam

You are using deception because you are trying to make it as though slavery in the Islamic world was the same as in America, where chattel slavery was born. I believe you know the difference but you are trying to trick people who may not know.

Anyways, from your link...

Islam's approach to slavery added the idea that freedom was the natural state of affairs for human beings and in line with this it limited the opportunities to enslave people, commended the freeing of slaves and regulated the way slaves were treated:

Islam greatly limited those who could be enslaved and under what circumstances
Islam treated slaves as human beings as well as property
Islam banned the mistreatment of slaves - indeed the tradition repeatedly stresses the importance of treating slaves with kindness and compassion
Islam allowed slaves to achieve their freedom and made freeing slaves a virtuous act

Slaves in the Islamic world were not always at the bottom of the social hierarchy. Slaves in Muslim societies had a greater range of work, and took on a wider range of responsibilities, than those enslaved in the Atlantic trade.

Which speaks to your attempt at deceit I spoke of earlier.

Some slaves earned respectable incomes and achieved considerable power, although even such elite slaves still remained in the power of their owners.

This is basically today's US economy.

While Islamic law does allow slavery under certain conditions, it's almost inconceivable that those conditions could ever occur in today's world, and so slavery is effectively illegal in modern Islam.

Muhammad's teaching that slaves were to be regarded as human beings with dignity and rights and not just as property, and that freeing slaves was a virtuous thing to do, may have helped to create a culture in which slaves became much more assimilated into the community than they were in the West.

And that's just from your link.

You are using the feelings and emotions about slavery in African Americans to insight something that isn't there. Essentially you are lying. Deceit is dishonesty.

Now that we know what BBC says about slavery in Islam, let's educate ourselves on what the Qur'an says about it.

It is not righteousness that ye turn your faces Towards east or West; but it is righteousness- to believe in Allah and the Last Day, and the Angels, and the Book, and the Messengers; to spend of your substance, out of love for Him, for your kin, for orphans, for the needy, for the wayfarer, for those who ask, and for the ransom of slaves; to be steadfast in prayer, and practice regular charity; to fulfil the contracts which ye have made; and to be firm and patient, in pain (or suffering) and adversity, and throughout all periods of panic. Such are the people of truth, the Allah-fearing.

Here the Qur'an says it is "righteous to spend of your substance for the ransom of slaves."

Allah will not call you to account for what is futile in your oaths, but He will call you to account for your deliberate oaths: for expiation, feed ten indigent persons, on a scale of the average for the food of your families; or clothe them; or give a slave his freedom. If that is beyond your means, fast for three days. That is the expiation for the oaths ye have sworn. But keep to your oaths. Thus doth Allah make clear to you His signs, that ye may be grateful.

This verse again speaks to the righteousness of freeing a slave.

But those who divorce their wives by Zihar, then wish to go back on the words they uttered,- (It is ordained that such a one) should free a slave before they touch each other: Thus are ye admonished to perform: and Allah is well-acquainted with (all) that ye do.

Yet another verse encouraging and giving the opportunity for the freeing of slaves.

And there are many examples found in hadith that insist on the kind treatment of slaves and the freeing of slaves.

Islam certainly didn't begin the institution of slavery but certainly did it's part to moderate and eventually abolish it.

 

[Type Username Here]

Only a religious person would ever try to point out that there is a "good form" of slavery.

It contradicts every single idea of individualism that exists in our philosophical history as a species.

 

[wize fool]

Only a religious person would ever try to point out that there is a "good form" of slavery.

It contradicts every single idea of individualism that exists in our philosophical history as a species.

I understand that it was a long read but please try so your response will then be relevant. Making up things in your head and then responding to them is pretty pointless in a discussion, wouldn't you agree?

"Good form of slavery"... What are you talking about?

 

[theworldismine13]

I'm not trying to do anything, I simply stated a fact, the British empire forced Muslims to end slavery at gunpoint

Like I said, it makes Muslims go ape shyt and do a lot of hand waving

but bottom line, I backed up my statement, it's completely factual

 

[Type Username Here]

I understand that it was a long read but please try so your response will then be relevant. Making up things in your head and then responding to them is pretty pointless in a discussion, wouldn't you agree?

"Good form of slavery"... What are you talking about?

Your long winded statement amounts to what white Christians said of blacks during slavery here. That the Bible allowed slavery as long as the slave master was compassionate and in the teachings of Jesus. They quoted scripture to.

This is what happens:

Sexual Slavery in Dubai « Muhammad Idrees Ahmad

The Role of Islam in African Slavery -- Part 1 Obtaining slaves on the African continent


What you left out of the BBC Article:

But the essential nature of slavery remained the same under Islam, as elsewhere. It involved serious breaches of human rights and however well they were treated, the slaves still had restricted freedom; and, when the law was not obeyed, their lives could be very unpleasant.

 

[theworldismine13]

You are using deception because you are trying to make it as though slavery in the Islamic world was the same as in America, where chattel slavery was born. I believe you know the difference but you are trying to trick people who may not know.

Anyways, from your link...





Which speaks to your attempt at deceit I spoke of earlier.



This is basically today's US economy.





And that's just from your link.

You are using the feelings and emotions about slavery in African Americans to insight something that isn't there. Essentially you are lying. Deceit is dishonesty.

Now that we know what BBC says about slavery in Islam, let's educate ourselves on what the Qur'an says about it.



Here the Qur'an says it is "righteous to spend of your substance for the ransom of slaves."



This verse again speaks to the righteousness of freeing a slave.



Yet another verse encouraging and giving the opportunity for the freeing of slaves.

And there are many examples found in hadith that insist on the kind treatment of slaves and the freeing of slaves.

Islam certainly didn't begin the institution of slavery but certainly did it's part to moderate and eventually abolish it.

as for your gibberish, you are the one being deceitful by conflating mamaluk slaves with the experience of black slaves from africa

and BTW you forget to add something about bilal to complete your truly vile and disgusting defense of islamic slavery

this is what islamic slavery in black africa was really about

 

[Type Username Here]

At least 28 million Africans were enslaved in the Muslim Middle East. As at least 80% of those captured by Muslim slave traders were calculated to have died before reaching the slave markets, it is believed that the death toll from the 14 centuries of Muslim slave raids into Africa could have been over 112 million. When added to the number of those sold in the slave markets, the total number of African victims of the Trans Saharan and East African slave trade could be significantly higher than 140 million people.

Slaves

 

[wize fool]

I'm not trying to do anything, I simply stated a fact, the British empire forced Muslims to end slavery at gunpoint

Like I said, it makes Muslims go ape shyt and do a lot of hand waving

but bottom line, I backed up my statement, it's completely factual

The word "gun" doesn't appear anywhere in your link.

 

[wize fool]

Slaves

I'm sure that's an unbiased source.

If you would, please address my post with the same attention to detail as you addressed the imaginary post you made up in your head. I feel I gave a very clear and thorough view of slavery according to Islam.

 

[Type Username Here]

I'm sure that's an unbiased source.

If you would, please address my post with the same attention to detail as you addressed the imaginary post you made up in your head. I feel I gave a very clear and thorough view of slavery according to Islam.

You did give a thorough view. It still allows slavery. The fact that your book asks for slaves to be good to slaves, doesn't negate the fact that an individual's freedom was taken from them.

Before I get to moral and ethics regarding individuals in different philosophical schools of thought, we have to train you to understand basic logic first.

 

[wize fool]

as for your gibberish, you are the one being deceitful by conflating mamaluk slaves with the experience of black slaves from africa

and BTW you forget to add something about bilal to complete your truly vile and disgusting defense of islamic slavery

this is what islamic slavery in black africa was really about

Black African Slaves castrated by Muslims - Islam and slavery - YouTube

Ah yes. I remember this video from SOHH.

I already gave you the Islamic rulings of slavery. Whether these rules were followed or not would be between the individual and Allah.

Now do yourself a favor and find a youtube video regarding Africans enslavement of Africans in order to unskew your clearly biased opinion.