So should Kobe be ranked in the top 10 or not?

[Shadow King]

Yes it does because Charlotte never intended to keep him. They only drafted him to trade for Divac. If anything you should be talking about the Nets. They were going to draft him until he told Calipari he would play in Italy if they did.

We know that. The point is, what if they changed they're mind? "Nah, this kid has too much upside." Kobe Bryant the Hornet is a much different career. Kobe Bryant the Net is a much different career. What Ifs aren't stopping in sports anytime soon and Kobe's not exempt from them.

 

[Shadow King]

They dont like to hear this truth

Bron stans swear he was the best player in the league since 09, yet he wasnt winning any rings

Then they point to his “stats” being better than Kobe’s but dont use that logic when KD won his MVP

You do know it's possible to be the best individual player and not win a ring, right?

 

[Yungin]

Both yall 100 on that...



Bird's 5-year peak (1983-1988)
•27.3/9.8/6.8/1.8/0.9 on 512/400/899 shooting, 20.7 FGA
•(playoffs) 26.3/9.7/6.7/1.9/0.9 on 486/368/899 shooting, 19.7 FGA
•led team to 61.6 wins/year, #1 seed all five years
•119 Ortg, 102 DRtg (went to 118/107 in playoffs)
•26.1 PER (22.7 in playoffs), 75.3 WS, .237 WS48
•led League in PER 2x, OWS 1x, DWS 2x, WS 2x, WS48 2x
•2x champ, 2x FMVP, 3x MVP, 5x All-Star, 5x All-NBA 1st Team, '84 All-D 2nd Team, 2x 50-40-90 club
•2-2 Finals, 4-1 ECF

Kobe's 5-year peak (2005-2010)
•29.8/5.6/5/1.6/0.4 on 459/348/847 shooting, 22.6 FGA
•(playoffs) 29.8/5.7/5.4/1.5/0.6 on 467/350/844 shooting, 22.5 FGA
•led team to 53.2 wins/year, 3x #1 seed, 2x #7 seed
•114 ORtg, 106 DRtg (114/108 playoffs)
•25 PER (24.9 playoffs), 64.3 WS, .200 WS48
•2x champ, 2x FMVP, '08 MVP, 2x AMVP, 5x All-Star, 5x All-NBA 1st Team, 5x All-D 1st Team, 2x scoring champ
•2-1 Finals, 3-0 WCF

Upthread I mentioned that I think there peaks were similar and can be argued either way. This is just an outline for people who can't even see what Bird's case is; it can be argued either way...

The part about Bird going to college is inconsequential because LeBron didn't go to college and was a Day One phenom...

Kobe and Duncan's H2H should only be measured in the post-Shaq years. Shaq, Duncan, and LeBron are all peers of his era and KD and Steph are closing in on being historical peers to Bean...

Kobe’s peak looks better to me

 

[Assata Shakur]

You nikkas are retarded Kobe is at the very worst top 5! I’ll honestly put my bias and love for Kobe to the side for a moment, but it’s genuinely not 5 better NBA players who ever played better than BEAN, nikkas just be hating

 

[High quality poster]

All spring all I heard was Lebron would have dominated the 70s and 80s so he gotta be top 3 at least.

This is what Lebron stans claimed, since the game has evolved then we gotta rank Lebron higher.

By this logic Kobe is no less than a top 5 player.

 

[LexDiamonds]

Kobe is in that 9-12 range... I think must of us agree besides the usual trolls that Bron >>> Kobe though

 

[Detlef Schrempf]

Kobe not Top 10.... like you smoke the whole lb?

 

[HabitualChiller]

To be honest, outside of Jordan and Kareem, you could make an argument any of the top 11 players of all time could be the one to fall out of ten. That includes LeBron.

Personally I got Kobe in my top ten, and Olajuwon and Moses Malone at 11 and 12.

I'd love to hear the argument for Bron or Magic or Bird not being top ten. LeBron especially.

 

[RammerJammer]

Kobe is easily Top 10

 

[Controversy]

Do nikkas hoop in real life? Do y'all know how hard it is to add countless moves & counters to your repertoire? I think if guys really played ball, and understood the nuances, they would have more of an appreciation.

Little sh*t like the leg kick on his fadeaway to generate enough power on the shot...the suddenness of his jab step, pump fake & go...the pivot, pump fake, spin moves

Kobe was on another level of detail that Magic, Bird, Lebron & Duncan were not on

 

[HabitualChiller]

Honestly, Kobe is definitely a top ten player. I'm just not sure where the fukk he fits. Top Five is too high seeing as he wasn't as dominant as KAJ, Bron, Jordan, Magic, or Bird; and Shaq is definitely top ten, but Kobe is slightly better than him. Anywhere from 6-10 is where he stands.

 

[Controversy]

Honestly, Kobe is definitely a top ten player. I'm just not sure where the fukk he fits. Top Five is too high seeing as he wasn't as dominant as KAJ, Bron, Jordan, Magic, or Bird; and Shaq is definitely top ten, but Kobe is slightly better than him. Anywhere from 6-10 is where he stands.

The only player on Kob level is MJ

Dominating in stats is not impressive...Kob played off the ball a ton & didn't look to accumulate stats

Teams feared him...look how they defended him...esp at the end of games

 

[Controversy]

If anybody else scored 50+ 25 or more times in their career while being a top flight defender and having jewelry on to of it

There would be no rap

Bird's career high is 60...Kob scored 60 FIVE FKN TIMES

 

[MoneyTron]

Easily.

 

[FlyRy]

I always laugh out loud when I see Kobe's defensive accolades. He got way more than he deserved based off reputation.