I'm honestly unfamiliar with much of his work outside of Hip Hop. I know he's produced Rock albums, some Country albums. I remember reading he produced a Dixie Chicks album. I also know he did "Another Song" and I think a bonus track on Futuresex/Lovesounds. His song is one of the few songs that I don't like on FS/LS, but other than that album, I'm pretty ignorant to what he's done outside of Hip Hop because I don't really listen to some of the other genres like that.
So NOWWW its cool to love Rick Rubin?
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I'm honestly unfamiliar with much of his work outside of Hip Hop. I know he's produced Rock albums, some Country albums. I remember reading he produced a Dixie Chicks album. I also know he did "Another Song" and I think a bonus track on Futuresex/Lovesounds. His song is one of the few songs that I don't like on FS/LS, but other than that album, I'm pretty ignorant to what he's done outside of Hip Hop because I don't really listen to some of the other genres like that.
OnlyInCalifornia
Southern California/Vegas
You already know more than most people here lol
My point in bringing up what he did outside of Hip Hop was to more along the lines to point out hes a major producer in music in general, not just some random dirty white guy who all the sudden got cool because Jay-z asked him to work on 99 problems.
nineteeneightysix
Banned
Dude have u ever seen the diversity of acts this mans produced classic, groundbreaking albums for? I disagree about your beat making argument too. There's tons of "beat makers" in hip hop that aren't very good producers.
Hip Hop and Electronic music are different from other genres...You don't need a "producer who doesn't make beats, but only "directs" the record" in order to make great hip hop records...
You do need good sound engineers...
If you make hot beats, and you also understand the principles of sound engineering, as a hip hop producer, you will make tons of money by cutting of the middle man...
If you wanna really break it down the original role of the producer was to guide the direction of a record. Phil Spector never played an instrument but he's one of the illest producers ever, he knew how to direct musicians n what combination of sounds/vocals would equal a better song. Same thing w Rick and Dre in a lot of cases, they put the peices to the puzzle together. Rick understands music through n through, that's y he can produce a death metal group like Slayer then come back n produce jay z. And his bytch is bad as fukk
But hip hop is not like other music...You don't need someone to "guide the direction of the music." The rapper is essentially the "producer" if you talking about "guiding the direction of a record."
The beatmaker decides which sounds go well together, because he is the "musician." The sound engineer ensures that the sound is "clean," because today's fans are obsessed with clean sound they can "bump in the whip."
Then you need another engineer who will master the final mix...
But back in the grimmey sampling days, you didn't even need a good mix...
The change in what fans like today from what they liked yesterday is the BEST evidence of why the idea of a good producer is so subjective...
I am a fan of the Thrash Metal (not death metal) group Slayer...Their best Rick Rubin produced album, "Reign In Blood," is not musically better than their first album "Show No Mercy" and second album "Hell Awaits"...At least not where the music is concerned...
Why do a lot good mixtape rappers "fall off" when they become famous, and replace their "come up" producer, with a "big budget" producer...?
Because "Big Budget" producers in MANY cases can't give you that "hungry sound" most die hard hip hop fans crave for in their core...
The_Third_Man
Superstar
Since when it's cool to like Kanye? since when the coli hated old school?
I swear I see "Rap is so boring and soft now" thread every single day
I swear I see "Rap is so boring and soft now" thread every single day
nineteeneightysix
Banned
A producer is there to bring the best PERFORMANCE out of the musicians. Go make a "Bruce Swedian >>>>>> Quincy Jones" thread if that's really how you feel
That's thing...We are talking subjectivity here...
How do we know what is the best performance when all we hear is the final product...?
We the fans in MOST cases DON'T get to hear the alternate versions...And sometimes the artists themselves don't like the version the producer is releasing...But they trust that producer because the end game is to make money...
It happens a lot...You bring your product to a producer...He switches it up...You don't like it...He convinces you to go with it...You go with it, because he has lots of gold and platinum plaques...You make tons of money, but deep inside you know that is NOT how you wanted to tell your story...But the money is good, so who compares...
MouseTeeth
All Star
I respect your opinion and all but you're wrong, hip hop does need someone to "guide the direction of a song" that's what separates great producers from great beat makers. U think half those rappers pharrel gave hits to during neptunes run in the early 2000s would've made those records the way they did without pharrels /chads input? There's way more going on behind the scenes, it's not like the producer makes the best n lets the rapper do whatever the fukk they want. Usually it takes a lot of experience writing , recording, and working w various producers b4 a rapper learns the secrets to making great records...a great producer assists him w that. Dr dre and timbaland are also great examples of this, there's a reason y their work is head and shoulders above other artists. Just my two cents not trying to argue but there's way more that goes into making a song than someone just making a beat n letting the rapper do their thing. @nineteeneightysix
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Non Sequitur
Creep.
Do you really think that's the case with Rick Rubin? Artists seek him out just so he can make changes and pick their best material. Same with Dre.
Kilgore Trout
Banned
OP is a rick rubin hipster
oh i liked rick before it was cool ass nikka
oh i liked rick before it was cool ass nikka
Mandarin Duck
Majestic and Highfalutin
I'm 23 and I knew who Rubin was for a while, but thats because I loved hip-hop and learned alot about old school shyt. But its completely reasonable for an average 23 yr old to not know who he is seeing as he wasn't really in the public eye like Russell Simmons.
shyt... it's reasonable for a 23 year old to not know who Russell is either for that matter.
Sounds strange... but think about it. They weren't around for the years when Russell was at the helm of Def Jam, or when Def Jam was the definitive label. And even if they loved DMX or Jay back when they were 8, they prob. didn't give a fukk who owned the label they were on.
For all they know, Russ is... the brother of Run from that 'Run's House' show? The guy who does the commercials for the RushCard?
So I def. wouldn't expect them to just know who Rick was.
Man stfu..
The truth is, he's a legendary producer. And no matter how you feel, your opinion will NEVER change that status
The truth is, he's a legendary producer. And no matter how you feel, your opinion will NEVER change that status
so is rick rubin and puffy then, if you admit that at least youre consistent.
