a scene of him saving someone while avoiding killing a criminal prior to the Zod scene would have done it.
So If Superman is willing to kill, why do we need Superman vs Batman
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a scene of him saving someone while avoiding killing a criminal prior to the Zod scene would have done it.
ThatKidBlackHippy
thekid
maybe batman initially thinks superman is out of control so he thought he needed to keep him in check
which would be ironic i guess, the darker more gritty of the two will be more adamant about not killing
which would be ironic i guess, the darker more gritty of the two will be more adamant about not killing
JahFocus CS
Get It How You Get It
Not a god when you put that kryptonite in fukk boy's face
I was providing commentary on these mainstream superheroes in general though.
BelowTheMasonDixon
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THAT DOESN'T MATTER. Let's be realistic for a second, two of the most powerful beings in the Universe get into the fight, at the end of said fight, One killed the other one, not wound, not find a way to incarcerate or incapacitate. KILL
How do you think most of humanity is going to look at this Super Power deity who breaks the necks of other deity's he has no choice to contain.
And on top of that a battle between the two, killed hundreds of thousands, and destroyed a city.
Hell, what if Superman wanted to destroy the planet? Could he do it? Hell who knows.
Yall are being obtuse. There is a reason Superman can't be the Punisher.
But Batman can.
Kill Dat Noize
Banned
batman can't kill for that same reason though. the example superman sets for the world is the same one that batman has to set for gotham.
Yeah batman can't be punisher. never could be. He makes people think he could be but those that know him well enough know he can't be
ExodusNirvana
Change is inevitable...
The same way Bruce Wayne, who was already admittedly broken down because of the events prior TDKR, had his back broken, then had prison physical therapy, and somehow made it back to Gotham City with no money or identification or mode of transport...How would he know to do that?
From the movie no one knew about superman weakness.
BelowTheMasonDixon
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So now we are back to my original question, WHY DOES SUPERMAN NEED BATMAN? for the purpose of this movie, at least in the comics it's established that Batman is a bit more intelligent, and willing to fight dirtier than Superman.
But hell In this universe Superman is already a killer, so it's not like once he grabs a criminal by the legs and flies him up on top of a building, they won't believe he won't drop them. so.....there goes interrogation.
What possible help is Batman to Superman?
Ain't That Something
Superstar
Honestly I don't know how any criminal in Gotham fall for that hanging from the feet routine batman tries to pull knowing that nikka hasn't caught a body yet.
Breh do you understand their relationship or just have a thin understanding because superman doesn't need batman to be "the punisher" he never has. That's the point most people in the thread are making and you seem to be skating around it
BelowTheMasonDixon
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Honestly I don't know how any criminal in Gotham fall for that hanging from the feet routine batman tries to pull knowing that nikka hasn't caught a body yet.
Yall acting like Batman hasn't killed a shyt load of people.
As far as Superman's morals..........I think being told by his dad to always be the bigger person was a big part of his morals. Remember the scene where he was bullied? They spoke about him being able to destroy people if he wanted to.....but his dad wanted him to be better than. He didn't want him doing fighting of any kind. Hell, he was conflicted about Clark saving the kids on the bus because he didn't want anyone to know because the world wasn't ready.That's why all the destruction and killing Zod overwhelmed him in the end. He was taught to find a different way. That's what I got from the flashback scenes. It's almost like being taught something your whole life then one day you find out it's not that easy....not black and white. There are gray areas. And
then some of what his dad taught him was true....but not all of it because at some point you have to fight.
That part where he kills Zod sets up his no killing rule. When he couldn't find a better way and be the better person. When he couldn't follow the teachings of his dad. It's after this point that he becomes Superman/Clark Kent and follows his own path and finds his own ground to walk on. He'll combine what he learned dealing with the destruction, Zod's death, and his dad's teachings to be the Superman most people know of. Or at least I hope.
And for the people saying Superman shouldn't kill: you're right. Superman should always find another way. That's why he really wasn't Superman (in my eyes) until after Zod's death. He learned his lesson. Again
if reports are true about some citizens seeing him as a threat and forming protest across the country in Batman vs Superman
That part where he kills Zod sets up his no killing rule. When he couldn't find a better way and be the better person. When he couldn't follow the teachings of his dad. It's after this point that he becomes Superman/Clark Kent and follows his own path and finds his own ground to walk on. He'll combine what he learned dealing with the destruction, Zod's death, and his dad's teachings to be the Superman most people know of. Or at least I hope.
And for the people saying Superman shouldn't kill: you're right. Superman should always find another way. That's why he really wasn't Superman (in my eyes) until after Zod's death. He learned his lesson. Again
if the reports are true in this next movie he moves the fighting. No more unnecessary destruction/death.
Honestly I don't know how any criminal in Gotham fall for that hanging from the feet routine batman tries to pull knowing that nikka hasn't caught a body yet.
every single one of them is in jail or arkham yet they think he would kill nikkas
Kill Dat Noize
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Honestly I don't know how any criminal in Gotham fall for that hanging from the feet routine batman tries to pull knowing that nikka hasn't caught a body yet.
well eric roberts called batman's bluff in TDK and got a case of broken legs.
plus I don't care how tough you are if you wake up and find yourself dangling upside down by your feet, hanging from a rope, hoisted thousands of feet in the air off a god damn 40 story building... and you got this maniac interrogating you...you're gonna do whatever he says to be let down.
BelowTheMasonDixon
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I'm NOT SAYING HE NEEDS HIM TO BE THE PUNISHER.
I'm telling you cats WHY the dynamic works in the comic. and why it wont work in the film if superman is a stone cold killer.
Batman skirts the law, while Superman is by the book.
Superman is "We do things by the book"
Batman is "fukk that, this is how things have to be"
What I said about Batman being Punisher is, Batman can kill, he's not the threat superman is.
But once you make superman a killer, you literally have to put him at the Top of Worlds Most Wanted, He is a god, without a sense of morality.