So folks really think Bernie vs Trump is better than Biden vs Trump?

[T’Challa’s Heir]

I do realize that.

I also realize that Biden’s plan is no where close to representing universal healthcare and it has loop holes that will be obliterated by the healthcare industry.

And I also know that Joe Biden has vigorously done the bidding of wealthy campaign contributors for over 4 Decades

And I know that he has collected over $27 Million dollars from the healthcare industry in this election cycle alone.

So no - I am the opposite of optimistic regarding Joe Biden’s healthcare platform.

Call me crazy

Is Biden’s plan a step in the right direction?

 

[MegaManX]

If only Bernie could have made all the Dems stay in the primary and have won w/ 30% of the vote. If only. It’s almost like 70% of the party did not fukk with Bernie and voted accordingly.

cute idea. Except it is completely bullshyt. There is no enthusiasm for Biden.

Literally the main stream talking point is the black community SAVED the Biden Campaign. He OWES the black community. They RESURRECTED his presidential run.

No one uses that language unless someone WASN'T THE FAVORITE but a community caped for them anyways to turn the tide.

70% are scared as fukk of trump and think biden is a SAFE bet. They don't fukk with him though, you out your damn mind if you think people trust biden/harris

 

[MegaManX]

What policies did 70% of the party abandon to suppers Biden? I know Bernie is really popular online, but clearly his policies aren’t that popular with the vast majority of people who vote in democratic primaries.

Polling throughout the primary showed an OVERWHELMING majority of democrats want medicare for all, defunding the police, clearing student loans.

Biden literally ran against all of these and won in exit polls. PEOPLE DID NOT VOTE FOR POLICIES. THEY VOTED TO BEAT TRUMP. The polling showed it in every exit poll. Medicare for all 80%. Medicare for all candidate? Lose. Why? Trump must lose.

 

[ThatDude7]

Is Biden’s plan a step in the right direction?

No.

This is what happens when y’all obsess over politics instead of focusing on policy.

You end up having no idea what you are voting for.

Biden’s platform as it is currently constructed effectively preserves the archaic and inhumane healthcare system that we currently have.

If you need some education on just how horrific this system is, let me know.

The most ambitious potential option that Biden/Harris are considering is a lukewarm “public option.”

This is basically a Trojan horse for the Healthcare Industry to abolish any hopes for Universal Healthcare in the future.

It will create a two tiered system that will not only fail - it will allow the private healthcare industry, the Republican Establishment, and Conservative Media to demonize any iteration if federally funded healthcare in the minds of the public for generations to come.

Let me know if you need me to explain this to you.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

No.

This is what happens when y’all obsess over politics instead of focusing on policy.

You end up having no idea what you are voting for.

Biden’s platform as it is currently constructed effectively preserves the archaic and inhumane healthcare system that we currently have.

If you need some education on just how horrific this system is, let me know.

The most ambitious potential option that Biden/Harris are considering is a lukewarm “public option.”

This is basically a Trojan horse for the Healthcare Industry to abolish any hopes for Universal Healthcare in the future.

It will create a two tiered system that will not only fail - it will allow the private healthcare industry, the Republican Establishment, and Conservative Media to demonize any iteration if federally funded healthcare in the minds of the public for generations to come.

Let me know if you need me to explain this to you.

Your expectations are distorted. Most of the healthcare systems y'all want to emulate do just fine with a public option.

 

[Wildhundreds]

Trump was scared of VP Bernie because he'd serve as a good counterbalance to Clinton. She's a centrist and he's a liberal....so she has the establishment while he'd bring more liberal people that didn't like Clinton out to the polls.

Individually I don't think he was scared of either.

Biden is tough for him because he can't scare people with Joe. All the "evil left wing" shyt just doesn't stick because no one thinks of Joe as far-left.

Plus he grew up scrappy and can relate to regular white people beyond racial dog whistles. Biden can be like "is your life better now than it was 4 years ago? What will that silver spoon brat do for you?"

He's gotta refocus wypipo on $$$.

This is true. However, given the current economic conditions, that would be an difficult sell..

White supremacy is front and center now and under scrutiny.. He needs to figure how on how to capitalize off of the current issues..

 

[The Fukin Prophecy]

Bernie had a better chance in 2016...

He would of got completely destroyed in this current political climate...

Rethuglicans best ads against Biden have featured Bernie calling him a progressive...

They clearly wanted to run against Bernie and are attempting to spin Biden into a radical leftist socialist which no one is buying...

 

[Jalether]

Bernie never had a shot of being in the White House. I don't know why that is so hard to accept

I think if it was neutral and the dnc bully pulpit which includes obama, jim clyburn etc stayed out of the primaries and the media were completely neutral (which they weren't, obviously)
Bernie would have had a great chance of being president.

Everytime Bernie's pollsters polled people, He and his policies were popular but the one issue that kept coming up and held most of the
potential voters back was "electability" and guess who painted that narrative that Biden is electable and Bernie isn't? The media (cnn,msnbc etc) and dem establishment.

if you keep telling people/voters day after day, night after night when they turn on their tv or open their social media that a candidate is not electable, they will start to believe it even if it's not true. repitition is an extremely powerful psychology tool

 

[ThatDude7]

Your expectations are distorted. Most of the healthcare systems y'all want to emulate do just fine with a public option.

Nah ... your expectations are distorted and you are leaving out context.


Most countries do not have the perverse culture of corporate greed that exists in America.

All countries with Universal Healthcare have heavy regulation that is readily enforced by the federal government and if Private Insurance does exist - it plays a very minor role.

Neither of those features are present in what Joe Biden is proposing.

 

[Cave Savage]

I honestly think Biden is the right guy for this election. He's being smart and largely saying what he needs to say, Bernie would be too stuck on either principles or pleasing the movement liberals.

Bernie didn't win a single county in Michigan, so maybe his left wing populism wouldn't have worked in the states where it mattered most. I think there would be more enthusiasm from Latinos and white leftists who don't care about social issues, though.

 

[Unknown Poster]

Bernie had better ideas. He supports universal healthcare and UBI. Biden doesn't even support universal healthcare in a pandemic.

But I'll suck it up and vote for Biden cause he'll get this country back into the WHO and will restore credibility to the CDC

Not to mention, he has to charge and prosecute EVERY member of the Trump administration complicit with his crimes.

 

[Unknown Poster]

I honestly think Biden is the right guy for this election. He's being smart and largely saying what he needs to say, Bernie would be too stuck on either principles or pleasing the movement liberals.

Bernie didn't win a single county in Michigan, so maybe his left wing populism wouldn't have worked in the states where it mattered most. I think there would be more enthusiasm from Latinos and white leftists who don't care about social issues, though.

Biden has name recognition from being Obama's VP. He's probably the best choice for this election.

 

[T’Challa’s Heir]

Polling throughout the primary showed an OVERWHELMING majority of democrats want medicare for all, defunding the police, clearing student loans.

Biden literally ran against all of these and won in exit polls. PEOPLE DID NOT VOTE FOR POLICIES. THEY VOTED TO BEAT TRUMP. The polling showed it in every exit poll. Medicare for all 80%. Medicare for all candidate? Lose. Why? Trump must lose.

Please cite your polls for OVERWHELMING support for defunding police and clearing student loan debt. When you say overwhelming I’m expecting to see 65%+.

How Americans Feel About ‘Defunding The Police’

Looks the majority don’t support defunding the police.


And for Medicare for all. I’d argue that’s more of a branding success and people not actually knowing what it is. Bernie’s plan abolishes all private insurance. A lot of the people who support Medicare for all don’t want private insurance outlawed. Which seems to be a direct contradiction to support for Bernie’s plan.

 

[Unknown Poster]

No.

This is what happens when y’all obsess over politics instead of focusing on policy.

You end up having no idea what you are voting for.

Biden’s platform as it is currently constructed effectively preserves the archaic and inhumane healthcare system that we currently have.

If you need some education on just how horrific this system is, let me know.

The most ambitious potential option that Biden/Harris are considering is a lukewarm “public option.”

This is basically a Trojan horse for the Healthcare Industry to abolish any hopes for Universal Healthcare in the future.

It will create a two tiered system that will not only fail - it will allow the private healthcare industry, the Republican Establishment, and Conservative Media to demonize any iteration if federally funded healthcare in the minds of the public for generations to come.

Let me know if you need me to explain this to you.

Had to rep.

Especially since I have family members that work in this healthcare system that is in terrible need of reform.

Why should it cost me $30,000 for a hospital visit to get a sprained ankle bandaged?

Why should I have to choose between paying rent and paying hospital bills?

Or paying for insulin or food? (I'm not diabetic, I'm just using this as an example)


We don't have any realistic social safety nets in this country anymore. They've all been eroded and can't guarantee they work for people who need them.

Social security? Nah
401k? By the time you'll need it it's gone.
Healthcare? Medicare just is not it. Other countries laugh at us.
UBI? Nah...if you're unemployed...you're just shyt out of luck.
Housing? Look at our homeless population in this country. Housing should be seen as a human right but you have people on here that refer ti such as "socialists", 'communists", "marxists", "leeches", "bottomfeeders"...as if because they have been hindered in participating in the capitalistic rat race somehow they are not worthy of existing in it.

The reason many EU countries today have better quality of life than the US is an investment in people. America never did that. Rather it invested in corporations as "persons" (a laughable thought).

Today what social safety nets do we have? we're peasants again waiting in bread lines for bread a soup.

 

[T’Challa’s Heir]

No.

This is what happens when y’all obsess over politics instead of focusing on policy.

You end up having no idea what you are voting for.

Biden’s platform as it is currently constructed effectively preserves the archaic and inhumane healthcare system that we currently have.

If you need some education on just how horrific this system is, let me know.

The most ambitious potential option that Biden/Harris are considering is a lukewarm “public option.”

This is basically a Trojan horse for the Healthcare Industry to abolish any hopes for Universal Healthcare in the future.

It will create a two tiered system that will not only fail - it will allow the private healthcare industry, the Republican Establishment, and Conservative Media to demonize any iteration if federally funded healthcare in the minds of the public for generations to come.

Let me know if you need me to explain this to you.

Well what you want is an option. So your options are Biden doing something, or Trump getting the US further and further away from your goal.