So Anthony Davis ain't the best big in the league??

[Left.A1]

And AD can't run and orchestrate a high-level offense like Jokic. Your point?

Running "a high level offense" means shyt in high leverage situations when your fat lazy ass can't stay on the floor for your team due to woeful one sidedness... Take your L like a man goofy ... Your beloved Fatboy was humiliated on both sides of the ball by the superior player

If AD was still stuck in the N.O., the Pelicans would've been lucky to make the playoffs

And if Jokic didn't have Murray his fat ass would be in the lottery ..fukk is your point

and not only would you not be saying this nonsense that it's embarrassing to compare the two, but funnily enough, Jokic would've probably led the Nuggets to the Finals and possibly a championship.

Look at this pathetic ass juelzing for this defensively handicapped muthafukka man ...this is what his stans have been reduced too shyt is disgusting "buhhh buhhh buhhh if the conditions were perfectly favorable for my guy he would be the best!!!!"

Welcome to competitive sports moron

Now get the fukk outta here typing to me gimmick ass nikka ...your not even worth another response ... Take your fukking L and go home with these embarrassing ass takes

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

How do they calculate the actual time/minutes-seconds?

I'd imagine when they're actively defending them (or in proximity) during an offensive possession.

 

[Left.A1]

"Buhhh buhhh buhhh high level offense conducting!!!!!!"




fukking pathetic



AD>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>



Embarrassing comparison

 

[Left.A1]

Embiid also absolutely dominated ad when they play. It’s a reason ad begs to play pf. He don’t want the problems of real bigs

He's like 2 inches taller and 50 pounds heavier of course he SHOULD dominate 1 on 1.. What the hell




Fortunately for him this isn't a pickup game of 21 and AD is versatile enough of a player that you can deploy a goon like Howard on those big lumberjack nikkas

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

It's funny how Kyrie's lack of success leading a team has always been used against him after he won a title playing with Bron, and yet somehow, the same logic doesn't apply to AD. I mean, hell, the likes of Kemba Walker were being propped up over Kyrie all because he led a team. I don't see anyone out here propping up Vucevic over AD, all because he led a team.

 

[Ineedmoney504]

It's funny how Kyrie's lack of success leading a team has always been used against him after he won a title playing with Bron, and yet somehow, the same logic doesn't apply to AD. I mean, hell, the likes of Kemba Walker were being propped up over Kyrie all because he led a team. I don't see anyone out here propping up Vucevic over AD, all because he led a team.

It’s clear as day what’s going on. Lakers/Kobe stans looking to start propping they star for the foreseeable future up and using him to knock down bron a bit

 

[Left.A1]

No I actually didn't present it as a 1 on 1 thing, you perceived it that way..they play different positions, and it's not like the game is played in a way where teams are just dumping it down to bigs for 1 on 1 post isos anyway...my point was in regard to their individual impacts as bigs...for all the talk about how Jokic is this offensive genius and how his passing is supposed to be transformative and create offense better than anyone in history other than Bron and whatever wild shyt...AD is a flat out better player than Jokic and out played him on BOTH defense and offense in the series... All of Jokic's "orchestrating" got nipped in the bud, and we saw first hand how defensive dominance and versatility is more important from a big than the novelty of a center running point...


You're dead ass about to tout fukking McGhee and post prime almost out of the league D12 as part of a collective "most impressive defensive front court in modern history". ....despite being literally unplayable for like half the playoffs...they're generic "size", just big bodies to be thrown out there...and while they made some positive contributions here and there, they're not what makes LA's defensive front court special in the least bit...or what transformed the Lakers to a Championship level defense...it's Anthony Davis...the Lakers are ridiculously top heavy, outside of LeBron are literally just a collection of also-rans...they had a pretty dominant playoff run because they had by far the best two players in every series... LeBron is obviously an alltimer, but AD is also pretty obviously a special generational player in his own right...for his career he has literally the 3rd best PER in history behind MJ and Bron (and yes we're all aware PER is not a perfect stat, but is a good gauge of flat out production and efficiency) and pretty much the perfect defensive player in today's game...it shouldn't be so hard for folks to give the man his props without all this hedging and playing semantics and shyt

As far as no big in the history of basketball would've looked better than Jokic did against the Lakers....I promise I'm not trying to hate on the dude but the way you house this shyt it almost forces it to sound that way...a more athletic and explosive scorer would've been harder for the Lakers to defend...AD is tailor to disrupt all the lil cute passes Jokic likes to throw and his lack of speed makes it easy to recover on pnr and close out on jumpers...

You see how that Gimmick posting ass nikka operates... Over the top ass hyperbole and constant hedging

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

It’s clear as day what’s going on. Lakers/Kobe stans looking to start propping they star for the foreseeable future up and using him to knock down bron a bit

Definitely.

I peeped that in the Lakers season thread, and all throughout the playoffs where cats were trying to pit AD and Bron against each other as if they were in competition with one another.

 

[CantStop]

People still think Attemptafreethrow is better than AD after what both of them did against Bam




Giannis 22/11/5 on 50% shooting 21% from 3() mind you these are ALL wide open 3s by design, and 54% from the line()

AD 25/11/3 on 57% shooting 42% from 3 and 94% from the line


Bam 15/6/2.5 on AD

Bam 17/12/4 on Giannis

It's one thing to be blind and it's another to be delusional. Only game the Bucks won was the game Giannis sat out.

But keep propping up regular season success when the whole point of regular season success is to give yourself the best opportunities in the playoffs so what good does that do for you when you can't perform in the playoffs?

 

[Left.A1]

Nah I've seen AD struggle against double teams and struggle in the post too much to believe that. AD benefited from Rondo and Lebron feeding him open looks. Giannis even with his limited shot is better than AD.

And Giannis hasn't built his rep up by playing in a 5 out system surrounded by shooters

 

[Long Live The Kane]

You mean their respective individual impacts where one had a significant advantage of playing in more favorable conditions?





Jokic had a number of ISOs against AD, where he took full advantage of that matchup and did whatever he wanted against him. That avenue of offense would've been exhausted more had AD not had the luxury of having Dwight/McGee rotating on Jokic. If here you're stating it's not a 1v1 exchange, and you don't believe that there was any positional-crossover to any notable degree, and given the fact that AD had the definitively better support cast, how could you possibly come to the conclusion that he washed Jokic on both ends?

Bro this is legendary juelz'ing just to avoid admitting what was obvious, AD was a better offensive AND defensive player in their series...Dwight and Mcgee are bargin salary bench players that could literally be had by any team in the league...if all it takes to nullify Jokic's amazing otherworldly offensive wizardry is a couple of vet min bench centers that average like 20min against him, that wizardry was overstated in the first place

Except it's not fukking Dwight and McGee that made the difference...if it weren't them it'd be some other interchangeable vet min stiffs in their place...this idea that AD was "allowed the luxury" of being everywhere on the court blowing up pick and rolls, running out to contest what Jokic thought would be open 3s, being an elite rim protector, etc....is not some random luxury because he was blessed to be able to play with Javelle McGee ....it's a skill and impact that ONLY he (and maybe Giannis) has in the entire fukking league...All that playmaking that Jokic has that's supposed to make him so much better on offense, AD's defense diminishes it more than anybody else in the league.... nevermind that Jokic's playmaking is overrated in the first place, as the nuggets still needed otherworldly guard play to barely make it out the first round...cause AD snuffs that shyt out too, Murray couldn't save him.... then on the other side, AD dropping 31 on elite efficiency

AD is better dog, it is what it is

It's funny how Kyrie's lack of success leading a team has always been used against him after he won a title playing with Bron, and yet somehow, the same logic doesn't apply to AD. I mean, hell, the likes of Kemba Walker were being propped up over Kyrie all because he led a team. I don't see anyone out here propping up Vucevic over AD, all because he led a team.

AD has been an all NBA first teamer since the 2014 season, was third in MVP voting his last full year in New Orleans, and has the third highest career PER in league history behind only Jordan and LeBron....and in his first year with an all-star teammate was the leading scorer and defensive anchor of a Championship winning squad... outside of what they've done with bron, Kyrie and AD are two completely different tier of players

 

[Left.A1]

Bosh became the prototype for all bigs in this era while playing next to Bron and Kevin Love's fake stats arguments went out the window after LBJ made damn sure he was ready to hop out and guard Curry when the time came.

And yeah, AD's role went from #1 option to #2 - ask any Nola fan how much hair they lost trying to run an offense through AD all those years. Its a fact his responsibilities switched up. How anyone gonna say his role didn't change and it not be cap?

Good win but LBJ elevating dudes and changing career narratives.

What's funny/ironic about this narrative is that it was the same bullshyt casuals diployed against LeBron in his first Cleveland stint which led to his joining of the Heat



"Buhhh buhhh buh he's not a winner how come he couldn't take Larry Huges and Eric Snow to the mountain top!!"



Same exact playbook being deployed on AD.... "Buhhh buh buh he's winning now because he's playing with better talent" well fukking of course Einstein that's why players leave those shyt hole franchises ... It tanks their actual contributions

 

[Professor Emeritus]

God dam you full of shyt bro. That’s shyt you put in there, the op and none of the posts you quoted gave that criteria(Moving the goals)But I’ll engage none the less.

Are you saying the Dream didn’t have a successful career going at it dolo? You failed to mention he won league mvp defensive mvp and fmvp all in the same year(among other things)what a failure.

This ain’t about Bron. We know he needed hof help.

so let’s get this straight. Being top 5 in the nba in your prime and winning rings without a hof player isn’t a success for @Rhakim

Yeah, you're a fukking dumbass with zero reading comprehension. Hakeem is one of my favorite players of all time. I have him in my all-time Top 5 ever. I've said that numerous times on this board.

You've just proven that you can't even follow the conversation.

 

[BBG]

Running "a high level offense" means shyt in high leverage situations when your fat lazy ass can't stay on the floor for your team due to woeful one sidedness... Take your L like a man goofy ... Your beloved Fatboy was humiliated on both sides of the ball by the superior player


And if Jokic didn't have Murray his fat ass would be in the lottery ..fukk is your point


Look at this pathetic ass juelzing for this defensively handicapped muthafukka man ...this is what his stans have been reduced too shyt is disgusting "buhhh buhhh buhhh if the conditions were perfectly favorable for my guy he would be the best!!!!"

Welcome to competitive sports moron

Now get the fukk outta here typing to me gimmick ass nikka ...your not even worth another response ... Take your fukking L and go home with these embarrassing ass takes

this that aggressive content I made the thread for.. talk yo shyt nikka


every time I'm about to respond to somebody I see the goons already on they ass lmaoo

and like @Long Live The Kane made perfectly clear, AD and Kyrie aren't on the same level so @Gil Scott-Heroin please cut it the fukk out lol. did Kyrie ever even make the playoffs ONCE before LeFather came to show him how to win?? I think we all know the answer here fellas

 

[FTBS]

People still think Attemptafreethrow is better than AD after what both of them did against Bam




Giannis 22/11/5 on 50% shooting 21% from 3() mind you these are ALL wide open 3s by design, and 54% from the line()

AD 25/11/3 on 57% shooting 42% from 3 and 94% from the line


Bam 15/6/2.5 on AD

Bam 17/12/4 on Giannis

It's one thing to be blind and it's another to be delusional. Only game the Bucks won was the game Giannis sat out.

But keep propping up regular season success when the whole point of regular season success is to give yourself the best opportunities in the playoffs so what good does that do for you when you can't perform in the playoffs?

It is truly confusing. People tried to pump AD up all season (after it was apparent that the Bron/AD combo wasn't just working but was gonna be a force) and then after those playoffs and that Finals we fronting on dude? We actually putting dudes that he either outplayed head to head or that flat out didn't get it done when the opportunity presented itself and thusly didn't even get the chance to play head to head up against him after all of that? People really acting like folks weren't calling dude best player in the league in 2014. Like he's just some new jack that hasn't done anything before this season.