So Anthony Davis ain't the best big in the league??

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Bro this is legendary juelz'ing just to avoid admitting what was obvious, AD was a better offensive AND defensive player in their series..

Yes, AD was the better performer during that series - there's absolutely no argument from me there. However, that doesn't automatically mean he's the better player. You seem to keep subtracting nuance from here where AD had the better support cast.

As I mentioned above:

If AD was still in the N.O., and either missed the playoffs or crashed out in the 1st round, and Jokic led his team to the Finals, what would your argument be?

Dwight and Mcgee are bargin salary bench players that could literally be had by any team in the league...if all it takes to nullify Jokic's amazing otherworldly offensive wizardry is a couple of vet min bench centers that average like 20min against him, that wizardry was overstated in the first place

One's salary is largely based upon their offensive game and not their defensive capabilities. The fact that someone like Dwight is still in the league is because of the defensive value he provides. We just literally saw Luguentz Dort cripple Harden in a series, and he's only making a fraction of what Dwight is on this season. Avery Bradley, one of the better defensive guards in the league, on near-minimum salary. Temple, another one of the better defensive guards in the league, on near-minimum salary.

The list goes on and on.

That's what those vet min guys are signed for - to do the defensive donkey work.

AD has been an all NBA first teamer since the 2014 season, was third in MVP voting his last full year in New Orleans, and has the third highest career PER in league history behind only Jordan and LeBron....and in his first year with an all-star teammate was the leading scorer and defensive anchor of a Championship winning squad... outside of what they've done with bron, Kyrie and AD are two completely different tier of players

And remind me, with all these narrative-based accolades and surface stats, where did AD lead the Pelicans to?

Seven seasons: two playoff appearances and ONE series win (the same number of series' wins as Kyrie has without Bron).



I already know why the double standards are in play here. I only wanted to point out the shamelessness of it all.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

It is truly confusing. People tried to pump AD up all season (after it was apparent that the Bron/AD combo wasn't just working but was gonna be a force) and then after those playoffs and that Finals we fronting on dude? We actually putting dudes that he either outplayed head to head or that flat out didn't get it done when the opportunity presented itself and thusly didn't even get the chance to play head to head up against him after all of that? People really acting like folks weren't calling dude best player in the league in 2014. Like he's just some new jack that hasn't done anything before this season.

Say what now?

 

[Left.A1]

It's funny how Kyrie's lack of success leading a team has always been used against him after he won a title playing with Bron, and yet somehow, the same logic doesn't apply to AD. I mean, hell, the likes of Kemba Walker were being propped up over Kyrie all because he led a team. I don't see anyone out here propping up Vucevic over AD, all because he led a team.

Kyrie never had a winning record

Let alone made a single playoff
Let alone twice
Let alone won a playoff series
Let alone won a playoff game
Let alone swept a higher seed

Had a net negative on/off rating of -4.3 the year before LeBron due to his pathetic ass defensive effort (not even to mention individual accolades) and yet you try to draw some contrived comparison to Anthony Davis


The gimmicky levels of reaching and cape flapping you do for your sacred cows is literally disgusting and shameless talking about "the same logic doesn't apply"





Filth

 

[FTBS]

Say what now?

What is confusing?

 

[Long Live The Kane]

Yes, AD was the better performer during that series - there's absolutely no argument from me there. However, that doesn't automatically mean he's the better player. You seem to keep subtracting nuance from here where AD had the better support cast.

I suspect this is close to concession as I'll get I'll take it

As I mentioned above:

If AD was still in the N.O., and either missed the playoffs or crashed out in the 1st round, and Jokic led his team to the Finals, what would your argument be?

I'd be saying that Jamal Murray is just the type of player that AD has needed in NO his entire career
...the Murray/AD PNR would be ...and that Denver has a hell of a core, if only they had someone like AD to fortify the defense...before the Heat destroyed them with Jimmy and Bam PNR

One's salary is largely based upon their offensive game and not their defensive capabilities. The fact that someone like Dwight is still in the league is because of the defensive value he provides. We just literally saw Luguentz Dort cripple Harden in a series, and he's only making a fraction of what Dwight is on this season. Avery Bradley, one of the better defensive guards in the league, on near-minimum salary. Temple, another one of the better defensive guards in the league, on near-minimum salary.

The list goes on and on.

That's what those vet min guys are signed for - to do the defensive donkey work.

The salary is hardly the point...the point is that players like that are not scarce and are readily had...there are no AD's just laying around waiting to completely destroy the dominant offensive attack by playoff teams

And remind me, with all these narrative-based accolades and surface stats, where did AD lead the Pelicans to?

Seven seasons: two playoff appearances and ONE series win (the same number of series' wins as Kyrie has without Bron).



I already know why the double standards are in play here. I only wanted to point out the shamelessness of it all.

A bad faith argument dead ass trying to compare Kyrie to AD?


Yeah I'm out

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

What is confusing?

I'm trying to work out how you came to the conclusion cats were saying AD was the best player in the league back in 2014.

 

[Left.A1]

Bro this is legendary juelz'ing just to avoid admitting what was obvious, AD was a better offensive AND defensive player in their series...Dwight and Mcgee are bargin salary bench players that could literally be had by any team in the league...if all it takes to nullify Jokic's amazing otherworldly offensive wizardry is a couple of vet min bench centers that average like 20min against him, that wizardry was overstated in the first place

Goottttttttttttttt DAMN!!


Another Day Another Poster exposing @Gil Scott-Heroin for the gimmicky grifter that we've all come accustomed to knowing round these parts






The used car salesman of coli basketball talk

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

I



I'd be saying that Jamal Murray is just the type of player that AD has needed in NO his entire career
...the Murray/AD PNR would be ...and that Denver has a hell of a core, if only they had someone like AD to fortify the defense

So instead of giving Jokic his dues, you'd manipulate the scenario to where Murray gets all the credit? And you want to talk about me arguing in bad faith....

The salary is hardly the point...the point is that players like that are not scarce and are readily had...there are no AD's just laying around waiting to completely destroy the dominant offensive attack by playoff teams

What do you mean "salary is hardly the point" - you literally brought that up as a point of emphasis as to why you perceived them of nullifying Jokic, as the reason for why his offensive game is overstated. The low cost of those players in relation to the cap is because of the defensive value they provide; the scarcity of shooting big men who can't defend, but take up a greater percentage of the cap doesn't run in contrast to that, as if somehow Jokic playing against worse defenders would make his performances more impressive.

And why is it you even brought that up in the first place as if Jokic didn't clown a 2x DPOY in the first round?

AD doesn't defend legit big men who play in the post, so let's not pretend like those vet min players are some meaningless quantity that don't affect how AD operates on the defensive end. What destroying of offenses would AD be doing if he had to defend Jokic throughout the entirety of the series? Never mind the fact that Jokic didn't have the same caliber of defensive personnel on his team to defend AD, as the Lakers did for Jokic.

A bad faith argument dead ass trying to compare Kyrie to AD?


Yeah I'm out

The real bad faith argument here was established long ago when Lakers/Kobe stans carefully manicured a narrative to where AD is at the forefront of the team success, and not Bron (the very thing Bron stans tried to do with their mans). It was literally a pissing contest all throughout the Lakers season thread of which stan base could drown themselves in more dishonesty.

 

[Left.A1]

this that aggressive content I made the thread for.. talk yo shyt nikka


every time I'm about to respond to somebody I see the goons already on they ass lmaoo

and like @Long Live The Kane made perfectly clear, AD and Kyrie aren't on the same level so @Gil Scott-Heroin please cut it the fukk out lol. did Kyrie ever even make the playoffs ONCE before LeFather came to show him how to win?? I think we all know the answer here fellas

Look at eeeeemmm

 

[Devil Plisken…CMS]

Look at eeeeemmm

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

This cotdamn goofy is in here talking about gimmicks and exposals when his trolling ass has already been banned before on this board.

Shameful.

 

[Left.A1]

This cotdamn goofy is in here talking about gimmicks and exposals when his trolling ass has already been banned before on this board.

Shameful.

Lie... Lie ...Lie and Lie some fukking more ... thats all this moronic Gimmick poster knows how to do Lie.... Making shyt up out of thin air and grifting bimbo babble when desperate




No fukking shame at all either ... shyt is pathetic

 

[Left.A1]

@Long Live The Kane in here putting a got damn exorcism on this nut



Got his gimmick ass in here convulsing and babbling




shyt!!!!!

 

[FTBS]

I'm trying to work out how you came to the conclusion cats were saying AD was the best player in the league back in 2014.

Because it happened.

 

[Cynical Thoughts]

Yeah, you're a fukking dumbass with zero reading comprehension. Hakeem is one of my favorite players of all time. I have him in my all-time Top 5 ever. I've said that numerous times on this board.

You've just proven that you can't even follow the conversation.

Dodging those questions huh, don’t worry about it.

Lol Top 5 huh? So, Mr. stats leaves out, the Dream swept the mvps (3)for a season.

top 5 huh? Clearly collateral damage for the true war/narrative you’re fighting(losing).

have a good day sir