So Anthony Davis ain't the best big in the league??

[Left.A1]

both those guys gotta show up and be the best player every night. They don’t have the luxury of off nights and bron carry them. Boy couldn’t win finals mvp with bron gift wrapping it for him. He’s a very skilled player, top 3 skilled in the nba but as a player he ain’t better then those guys. He’s not leading any team deep. Played 2 games without bam and the rest of the series vs a injuried one and bron still has to do it

What nights off was AD taking


But anyways Bruh I don't want to hear that bullshyt about Jokic ... Y'all nikkas finally watched dude play ..saw a couple of slow ass behind the back passes and got y'all pussies too wet man lol .. The reality is Murray was carrying the load on offense on several occasions for the nuggets throughout the playoffs while Jokic was hurting his team racking up lazy fouls getting sent to the bench ... Stop making excuses for his deficiencies ... His defense is trash on the high level and there is 0 possibility that he could have anchored this Lakers defense in the way that Anthony Davis did .. like that's just ridiculous to even insinuate... Like look at this Draymond breaks him down perfect



This shyt is fukking pathetic ... Does this look like championship basketball to you... This is the last line of defense and you're telling me he could have played that same pivotal defensive role there that AD did against the heat? Stop it ...I know you don't believe that brother



And like I said ... Giannis is a more limited offensive player than AD ... There is no way you're getting the 3 point shooting and space for Lebron that AD provided this Lakers team .. he's a helluva player no doubt but none of those nikkas are better than AD at this moment ... Now if Giannis develops his shot and gets comfortable with it that's a different conversation

 

[Left.A1]

Jokic cannot do ANY of this .... It's embarrassing to even compare the two honestly

 

[ISO]

Giannis vs Miami compared to AD vs Miami. Giannis looked completely shook and had Bam looking like Hakeem. AD tore Miami apart and had Bam looking like Robert Sacre. Nothing Giannis does better than AD outside of playmaking.

Completely different team context and ways they are used.

Most of AD’s offense is assisted and most of Giannis offense is unassisted. He does not get the wall. He does not drive and kick or bring the ball up the floor.

If Giannis played with shot creators like a Dame or a Harden or Bron and focused on playing like a PF his game would be simplified and he would eat a team like Miami.

Giannis and AD as number one options. I’m taking Giannis.

 

[CantStop]

Completely different team context and ways they are used.

Most of AD’s offense is assisted and most of Giannis is unassisted. He does not get the wall. He does not drive and kick or bring the ball up the floor.

If Giannis played with a shot creators like a Harden or Bron and focused on playing like a PF his game would be simplified and he would eat a team like Miami.

Giannis and AD as number one options. I’m taking Giannis.

How would Giannis benefit from shot creators when he can’t shoot? Did you see AD’s shot chart? That’s with him being heavily guarded. Teams would just leave Giannis open and dare him to shoot. Oh wait, like Miami was doing. Dudes still think AD was averaging nearly 30 on lobs and PNR.

 

[ISO]

How would Giannis benefit from shot creators when he can’t shoot? Did you see AD’s shot chart? That’s with him being heavily guarded. Teams would just leave Giannis open and dare him to shoot. Oh wait, like Miami was doing. Dudes still think AD was averaging nearly 30 on lobs and PNR.

If Giannis got more open C&S looks his %’s would increase most his offense is unassisted.

AD: 33% on 3’s on 3.5 attempts, 98% assisted
Giannis: 30% on 3’s on 4.7 attempts, 55% assisted

Giannis didn’t shoot many midrange jumpers this year but he shot them well.

If Giannis only had to take 2-3 threes C&S 3’s and mostly from his sweet spots above the break he would be better.

AD’s a better shooter (he’s streaky and relies on the midrange too much instead of going inside, not really a good shooter either) but Giannis is a stronger interior player and passer.

The Lakers would still win the championship with Giannis. And as a lone act the Bucks are better off with a Giannis than AD because Giannis is a better one man individual force and creator/engine. On the Bucks teams would have been loading up on AD and he would have been relying on Bledsoe for entry passes. And the Bucks would never have the regular season they had. It wouldn’t be the result you think.

 

[KingJay]

How could you have watched this playoffs were AD dominated the mid-range series after series with turn around jumper after turn around jumper and still post this content

1 hot post-season run to me doesn't erase years of disappointment. I think he's growing out of this criticism, but he's not fully grown out of it yet when compared to Embiid and Jokic

 

[Left.A1]

If Giannis got more open C&S looks his %’s would increase most his offense is unassisted.

AD: 33% on 3’s on 3.5 attempts, 98% assisted
Giannis: 30% on 3’s on 4.7 attempts, 55% assisted

Giannis didn’t shoot many midrange jumpers this year but he shot them well.

If Giannis only had to take 2-3 threes C&S 3’s and mostly from his sweet spots above the break he would be better.

AD’s a better shooter (he’s streaky and relies on the midrange too much instead of going inside, not really a good shooter either) but Giannis is a stronger interior player and passer.

The Lakers would still win the championship with Giannis. And as a lone act the Bucks are better off with a Giannis than AD because Giannis is a better one man individual force and creator/engine. On the Bucks teams would have been loading up on AD and he would have been relying on Bledsoe for entry passes. And the Bucks would never have the regular season they had. It wouldn’t be the result you think.

Based on what ... His C&S numbers ain't exactly stellar... He had 1.7 C&S attempts per game in the regular season and shot 36.7 percent ... That percent however dropped in the playoffs where he shot 33.3 percent on 1.3 C&S opportunities a game


He's not a good shooter bruh ... And if you got him shooting Jumpers you won as a defense... You're celebrating


And he only shot 12% of his shots in the mid-range compared to Anthony who shot 28.5% of his shots from that area and that ain't by accident... Teams give Giannis that top of the key mid-range look all game and he passes on it because he's simply not good at it and he knows it

Let's not even mention the Free throws .... He's nowhere near AD's league when it comes to jumpshooting brutha ... AD has been shooting in the 40% range on good high volume (5 attempts per game) from 10-16 feet for years ... Giannis on the other hand only takes 1 of those shots per game which is why yes bait him to do it

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

....we're not a month removed from watching AD wash Jokic on both ends of the court and we're supposed to entertain him being better?

Stop it

More like we saw the Lakers washing the Nuggets.

Neither player was the primary defender of the other, and AD wasn't able to stop Jokic from doing whatever he wanted when he was matched up with him (who can forget Jokic literally backing him down from the 3-pt line, in crunch time for the go-ahead bucket, in Game 2). Jokic had to deal with the best collective defensive frontcourt in the league of Dwight, AD, McGee and Bron in every game, while AD had the luxury of being primarily matched up against a 6-7, 35-year-old Millsap (27 mins total matchup), who's a shell of his former defensive self, and Grant (12 mins total matchup); both who give up a significant size and ability advantage.

Matchups:

Jokic (offense) v. Dwight - 20 mins total matchup, 50% FG (8-16), 12 earned FTs
Jokic (offense) v. AD - 11 mins total matchup, 58 FG% (11-19), 6 earned FTs
Jokic (offense) v. McGee - 6 mins total matchup, 46 FG% (7-15), 0 earned FTs.

He had more success against AD than any other Lakers big.

 

[ISO]

Based on what ... His C&S numbers ain't exactly stellar... He had 1.7 C&S attempts per game in the regular season and shot 36.7 percent ... That percent however dropped in the playoffs where he shot 33.3 percent on 1.3 C&S opportunities a game


He's not a good shooter bruh ... And if you got him shooting Jumpers you won as a defense... You're celebrating


And he only shot 12% of his shots in the mid-range compared to Anthony who shot 28.5% of his shots from that area and that ain't by accident... Teams give Giannis that top of the key mid-range look all game and he passes on it because he's simply not good at it and he knows it

Let's not even mention the Free throws .... He's nowhere near AD's league when it comes to jumpshooting brutha ... AD has been shooting in the 40% range on good high volume (5 attempts per game) from 10-16 feet for years ... Giannis on the other hand only takes 1 of those shots per game which is why yes bait him to do it

37% on C&S’s jumpers is a solid mark lol.

AD shot worse on C&S jumpers at 35.8%.

Giannis plays for Bud. Bud’s teams don’t take midrange shots and the Lakers are still winning with him regardless of him being a weaker shooter than AD. Giannis shooting numbers would look better getting better looks and more assisted looks that’s obvious.

 

[Left.A1]

1 hot post-season run to me doesn't erase years of disappointment. I think he's growing out of this criticism, but he's not fully grown out of it yet when compared to Embiid and Jokic

AD's playoff numbers before hitting LA


2015 - 31/11/2/3 on 54% shooting (against world champion warriors)
2018 - 30/13/2/2 on 52% shooting

He's literally been performing individually this same way for 5 years ... Now that he has a competent team he's added winning to his stellar individual play


Embiid last year when his team needed him most against the raptors crumbled .. and I love embiid but facts are facts

In 7 games he averaged

18/9/3/2 on 37% shooting

He was bullied by Gasol all series basically ... where was that " go to work" energy then?... You can't be keeping it real and claim that he's proven to be more dominant a force than AD


Jokic ...we already talked about him ... He's a one side of the floor player that you can get into easy foul trouble due to his lack of defensive effort

 

[Left.A1]

37% on C&S’s jumpers is a solid mark lol.

Sure if that was on like 4-5 attempts per game i'd believe that too but 1 attempts per game is miniscule.. it's not reliable ...which is why it dropped by nearly 4 percentage points when he went against better defensive teams in the playoffs

AD shot worse on C&S jumpers at 35.8%.

But who cares lol AD can actually get to his own Jumpers in the half court so you don't need him to be a C&S player ... Giannis doesn't give you that ability

Giannis plays for Bud. Bud’s teams don’t take midrange shots

And how does that bode well for Giannis being a more effective jump shooter/half court scorer moving forward??

and the Lakers are still winning with him regardless of him being a weaker shooter than AD. Giannis shooting numbers would look better getting better looks and more assisted looks that’s obvious.

Giannis being forced to shoot more jumpshots even open ones would drop his overall FG% bro bro not increase it ... His shyt is as high as it is largely because he stays away from those shots ...

Maybe they would have just "out-athleted" other teams but there is no question that Lebrons job on offense would be harder to do sharing a court with a worse shooter and less diverse offensive player in Giannis as opposed to Anthony no doubt ... Imagine trying to play Giannis/Lebron/Howard on offense at the same time against Denver like they were able to effectively do with AD because of his mid-range shooting ability lol ... C'mon bruh stop it

 

[Big Boss]

Did you think AD was better than Giannis last season too? If so then I get it, but I think most would disagree. I don't think either of their game's changed or elevated all that much, AD just happened to get a change of scenery and played next to Bron. If Giannis was playing the Draymond role next to Klay and Steph, he'd look even more unstoppable than he ever has.

AD is obviously a better shooter, but Giannis is the much better ball handler and running the break/in transition he's probably the best I've ever seen excluding Bron. Their defense is even.

I think it's close and AD is a damn monster, but I'd give the edge to Giannis. It's too convenient to say playoffs NOW matter when he had Bron holding him down while he was getting 2 rebounds in a game. Giannis hasn't had the luxury of playing next to another generational talent and until he does, he has to bring it every night or his team likely loses. That's just the reality of their current situations.

Facts but then folks gon say but but but he playing with steph and klay

 

[Long Live The Kane]

More like we saw the Lakers washing the Nuggets.

Neither player was the primary defender of the other, and AD wasn't able to stop Jokic from doing whatever he wanted when he was matched up with him (who can forget Jokic literally backing him down from the 3-pt line, in crunch time for the go-ahead bucket, in Game 2). Jokic had to deal with the best collective defensive frontcourt in the league of Dwight, AD, McGee and Bron in every game, while AD had the luxury of being primarily matched up against a 6-7, 35-year-old Millsap (27 mins total matchup), who's a shell of his former defensive self, and Grant (12 mins total matchup); both who give up a significant size and ability advantage.

Matchups:

Jokic (offense) v. Dwight - 20 mins total matchup, 50% FG (8-16), 12 earned FTs
Jokic (offense) v. AD - 11 mins total matchup, 58 FG% (11-19), 6 earned FTs
Jokic (offense) v. McGee - 6 mins total matchup, 46 FG% (7-15), 0 earned FTs.

He had more success against AD than any other Lakers big.

Not even talking about their head to head match up, I'm talking about their actual play on the floor...AD was by far the better player with more impact on both sides of the floor...all this talk about Joker's magical offensive wizardry that's supposed to put him over AD didn't mean a damn thing when AD was all over the court disrupting every action on they ran...and Murray wasn't able to save them with multiple 50 point games cause he couldn't target and abuse AD like Gorbet and Montrezl in previous series....those match up splits literally mean nothing (37 minutes accounted for in a 5 game series) and don't even begin to illustrate how AD was a buzz saw closing out on threes, snuffing pick and rolls dead, contesting shots at the basket without fouling every other trip down the floor, deflecting and stealing those pretty no look passes...so while that one time Joker backed down AD was cool and all.... he's 10 minutes of AD being a fukking defensive buzzsaw all over the court



Then while clogging up the super duper Jokic led "offensive engine" (Damn Joker, where the fukk is the Hummer at? Where's all the ice with all the Platinum up under that?), he also dropped a cool 31pts a game on 67% TS%....he was easily the better more impactful player on BOTH sides of the floor, and MVP of that series

And he brought that same type of value all season and all playoffs...

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Not even talking about their head to head match up, I'm talking about their actual play on the floor...AD was by far the better player with more impact on both sides of the floor...all this talk about Joker's magical offensive wizardry that's supposed to put him over AD didn't mean a damn thing when AD was all over the court disrupting every action on they ran...and Murray wasn't able to save them with multiple 50 point games cause he couldn't target and abuse AD like Gorbet and Montrezl in previous series....those match up splits literally mean nothing (37 minutes accounted for in a 5 game series) and don't even begin to illustrate how AD was a buzz saw closing out on threes, snuffing pick and rolls dead, contesting shots at the basket without fouling every other trip down the floor, deflecting and stealing those pretty no look passes...so while that one time Joker backed down AD was cool and all.... he's 10 minutes of AD being a fukking defensive buzzsaw all over the court



Then while clogging up the super duper Jokic led "offensive engine" (Damn Joker, where the fukk is the Hummer at? Where's all the ice with all the Platinum up under that?), he also dropped a cool 31pts a game on 67% TS%....he was easily the better more impactful player on BOTH sides of the floor, and MVP of that series

And he brought that same type of value all season and all playoffs...

Except you initially spoke in the tense that it was 1v1 type thang.

You replace Jokic with any big man in the history of the game, and that Nuggets squad wasn't getting past the Lakers.

No single big man in place of him would be able to shore up all the holes throughout a limited and inexperienced roster that was on borrowed time. No single big man in place of him would've stopped AD from having the defensive outing he did in that series, because his assignment [Millsap] was not only a complete non-factor on offense, but he was a net negative to the point that it allowed AD to ignore him and act as a free safety. It's not as if somehow they both had equal support casts and relative matchups where AD drowned out Jokic as a single, deciding component; it was the overwhelming differential in talent, ability, depth, and experience between the rosters that gave AD the platform to have the impact and performance he did, on both ends of the floor.

Every big man would ultimately look pedestrian going up against one of the best defensive frontcourt collectives in modern history; a top-3 player OAT who is also the greatest game-manager the game has ever seen; the most versatile, unique big man in recent memory; and having to battle that all with an inferior support cast. This is why it makes no sense to diminish Jokic's offensive capabilities as if somehow that was the fork of parity between him and AD.

 

[THE MACHINE]

More like we saw the Lakers washing the Nuggets.

Neither player was the primary defender of the other, and AD wasn't able to stop Jokic from doing whatever he wanted when he was matched up with him (who can forget Jokic literally backing him down from the 3-pt line, in crunch time for the go-ahead bucket, in Game 2). Jokic had to deal with the best collective defensive frontcourt in the league of Dwight, AD, McGee and Bron in every game, while AD had the luxury of being primarily matched up against a 6-7, 35-year-old Millsap (27 mins total matchup), who's a shell of his former defensive self, and Grant (12 mins total matchup); both who give up a significant size and ability advantage.

Matchups:

Jokic (offense) v. Dwight - 20 mins total matchup, 50% FG (8-16), 12 earned FTs
Jokic (offense) v. AD - 11 mins total matchup, 58 FG% (11-19), 6 earned FTs
Jokic (offense) v. McGee - 6 mins total matchup, 46 FG% (7-15), 0 earned FTs.

He had more success against AD than any other Lakers big.

Jokic took 15 shots in 6 minutes on McGee??