So Anthony Davis ain't the best big in the league??

[KingJay]

There's certainly some truth to this, but I don't know if Embiid deserves to be in this conversation as it pertains to team construction. He's redundant in this given that Jokic is better at consistently creating for himself, while also being better and creating for others and being the centralizing force of a team. The contrasting argument to that is only relevant to AD who is the more compatible big next to a lead creator.

It's like some paper, scissors, rock shyt, and Jokic is the scissors and rock, AD the paper, and Embiid is a pebble.

I would disagree. I think we agree in the contrast between AD and Jokic, I argue Embiid is somewhere in the middle.

Embiid creates for himself better than AD, and I think does it just as well as Jokic if not better - he just isn't surrounded by shooters and playmakers like Jokic is who can get him free buckets, the ball, space the floor, and prevent a fukk ton of double teams or at least give him an option should a double team come. Jokic's roster is built around him beautifully whereas Embiid is surrounded by the kinds of guys who are obviously bad fits.

Jokic has a clear edge on Embiid in terms of creating for others and making others better, but Embiid I would argue holds a nice advantage over Jokic defensively.

 

[MikelArteta]

Yes
Can kill you inside or outside, can take you off the dribble, you foul him he shoots 85% from the free-throw stripe. Doesn't commit stupid fouls like many big men who are always in foul trouble, plays all nba defense. And now with that championship pedigree yes he is the best

 

[MikelArteta]

There's certainly some truth to this, but I don't know if Embiid deserves to be in this conversation as it pertains to team construction. He's redundant in this given that Jokic is better at consistently creating for himself, while also being better and creating for others and being the centralizing force of a team. The contrasting argument to that is only relevant to AD who is the more compatible big next to a lead creator.

It's like some paper, scissors, rock shyt, and Jokic is the scissors and rock, AD the paper, and Embiid is a pebble.

embiid conditioning is also horrible

 

[FTBS]

Most versatile....(and yes that makes him number 1 for now)

Put him on the bucks...not sure how it goes.....

Being the focus of defense is so much harder than being A focus on defense.

This is true...however it's not like he's never made the playoffs and put up 30 and 13 as the focus of the defense. He would eat a wall up with his midrange and 3pt shooting.

 

[G-Zeus]

This is true...however it's not like he's never made the playoffs and put up 30 and 13 as the focus of the defense. He would eat a wall up with his midrange and 3pt shooting.

They were the underdog...

Most teams didnt care for his numbers...they felt like they were winning regardless...
Bounced Twice by gsw ..think they cared if he dropped 30?

 

[Eastside Get The Money]

If Embiid is second AD is clearly first

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

I would disagree. I think we agree in the contrast between AD and Jokic, I argue Embiid is somewhere in the middle.

Embiid creates for himself better than AD, and I think does it just as well as Jokic if not better - he just isn't surrounded by shooters and playmakers like Jokic is who can get him free buckets, the ball, space the floor, and prevent a fukk ton of double teams or at least give him an option should a double team come. Jokic's roster is built around him beautifully whereas Embiid is surrounded by the kinds of guys who are obviously bad fits.

Jokic has a clear edge on Embiid in terms of creating for others and making others better, but Embiid I would argue holds a nice advantage over Jokic defensively.

On one hand, you acknowledge that Jokic is better at "creating for others and making others better", yet in the next breath you're using the excuse of Embiid having to deal with a lesser support cast and Jokic benefiting from a better constructed roster, when quite literally the only reason you have this perception is that Embiid can't elevate those around him like Jokic can.

76ers would've probably made it out of the East if you replaced Embiid with Jokic, and the Nuggets probably fall at the first hurdle against the Jazz if you replaced Jokic with Embiid.

Jokic is better in pretty much better in every conceivable way when it comes to creating for one's self.

 

[KingJay]

On one hand, you acknowledge that Jokic is better at "creating for others and making others better", yet in the next breath you're using the excuse of Embiid having to deal with a lesser support cast and Jokic benefiting from a better constructed roster, when quite literally the only reason you have this perception is that Embiid can't elevate those around him like Jokic can.

76ers would've probably made it out of the East if you replaced Embiid with Jokic, and the Nuggets probably fall at the first hurdle against the Jazz if you replaced Jokic with Embiid.

Jokic is better in pretty much better in every conceivable way when it comes to creating for one's self.

This is a bad take
You really think Embiid and Jokic have the same level of supporting cast in terms of fit?

 

[HabitualChiller]

Yes, and it doesn't matter if Giannis counts as a big man (which he does.) Giannis just got sonned in the playoffs for two years in a row, while AD was just about as impactful as LeBron this go 'round. Before he got to LA, AD was a monster in his lone playoff series with the Pelicans.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

This is a bad take
You really think Embiid and Jokic have the same level of supporting cast in terms of fit?

Fit is relative.

Embiid needs a specific type of support cast to fit around him; one that gives him the appropriate spacing, ball-handlers/creators and depth to balance out his foibles. Whereas you can quite literally throw any type of player around Jokic and he'll make it fit. He's pretty much the Steph Curry of bigs.

 

[Luke Cage]

I think at this point it comes down to team construction between Embiid, Jokic, and AD.

I think AD is the best big to pair with an elite passer/perimeter creator like LeBron, Luka, Harden, etc. but the worst if you needed someone to carry a team and be the #1 option. He's the best at finishing what others can create for him, but I don't think he's on Embiid's level in terms of consistently creating for himself, and he's not on Jokic's level of being able to create for others and elevate his teammates.

I agree with this, except for the fact that i think all three would be great alongside Luka, Harden or Lebron

 

[Devil Plisken…CMS]

AD was a monster in his lone playoff series with the Pelicans.

You don’t even know how many playoff series AD participated in with The Pels but your opinion is appreciated

 

[Cynical Thoughts]

we still rolling with this nonsense in 2020?

Please elaborate.

 

[Lord_Chief_Rocka]

its crazy how people shyt on lebron for not making his teammates better but as soon as these dudes who did nothing prior win with him they start getting best in the league mentions

AD has basically put up the same stats for his career. The only difference is he plays with a better team.

 

[CantStop]

Depends if you consider Giannis a "big". If so, then he's still better than AD. If not, then yes- AD is easily the best big in the league.

Giannis vs Miami compared to AD vs Miami. Giannis looked completely shook and had Bam looking like Hakeem. AD tore Miami apart and had Bam looking like Robert Sacre. Nothing Giannis does better than AD outside of playmaking.