Alexander was a white boy. The first white boy to ever conquer a vast territory. That's why he is so revered by Western scholars, as opposed to Thutmosis or Taharqa. The early Greeks and Macedonians were Africans however, and it was not until around 1,400-1,200 BC that the white nomadic barbarians overran those black centers, and turned them into mixed race societies, while subsequently destroying the civilization (look up the Greek Dark Ages).
So Ancient Egyptians really looked like this?
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Alexander was a white boy. The first white boy to ever conquer a vast territory. That's why he is so revered by Western scholars, as opposed to Thutmosis or Taharqa. The early Greeks and Macedonians were Africans however, and it was not until around 1,400-1,200 BC that the white nomadic barbarians overran those black centers, and turned them into mixed race societies, while subsequently destroying the civilization (look up the Greek Dark Ages).
bytch any other race that is not black in Africa is the result of a damn invasion you dumbass.
Na...you are confused. Is that why you keep writing in all caps saying nothing, like a fukkin retard?
It was confirmed with Diop and Obenga proved that Bantu was an integral part of the ancient iKami language 20 years prior to that. The white scholars never refuted this relationship, and try to kill it by omitting the facts.
Damn Chris pine is Egyptian?
Cant even have an argument with hoteps. They get too emotional for the littlest shyt.
Explain this.
This comparison has nothing to do with your refuted claims of "Arabs in dynastic Egypt". In your photo above the two groups on the right were certified FOES of ancient Kemet. While one two on the left were indigenous to the Hapi Valley.
You missed this representation of the Ikami as indistinguishable from other black Africans;
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Dude....I already kicked your ass and literally you off of the thread here
https://www.thecoli.com/threads/anc...ont-to-denying-kemets-blackness.780728/page-4
In my post to you on the previous page I exposed your fallacious promotion of the Bantu migration from Cameroon (a CAC made theory to disconnect Bantus from ancient Kemet) with recent genetic data. You're done, finished. You're a certified Cac (what I'm leaning towards) or c00n clown, and I own you.
I don't know if you call them "Arab" or not but the Hyksos, whose origins lie in the Levant, invaded, settled, and ruled Egypt during the latter part of the Middle Kingdom before the Thutmosid Family of the 18th dynasty overtook them and ushered in the New Kingdom.
The Hyskos were a mixture of Semitic and Africoid populations, who by definition of their name (foreign kings) were related to the Nubians (which explains their presumed unity against Kemet). Hyskos below were clearly African in biological origin.
The Hyskos were a mixture of Semitic and Africoid populations, who by definition of their name (foreign kings) were related to the Nubians (which explains their presumed unity against Kemet). Hyskos below were clearly African in biological origin.
What do you have to corroborate that the Hyksos were a mixture of Semetic and African populations? The Hyksos were from an area near lower Turkey. Saying these statues "look African" is not good enough evidence. And their name "foreign kings" has no direct correlation to Nubia as Nubia was not the only Kingdom in Egypt's vicinity. Additionally, the statues that you posted contains the cartouche of Psusennes I who was from the 21st Dynasty. The population in question were in Egypt around the time of the 15th-17th dynasties. This was the time that the Biblical Joseph is held to have entered Egypt when the throne was occupied by non-natives.
Also, Egyptians own depictions of their battles with the Hyksos do not portray any readily identifiable African features.
NOPE .. THE MIDDLE EAST WASNT BLACK
A LOT OF MUFUCCAZ FROM THAT REGION LIVED IN EGYPT WITOUT ANY INVASION
WHAT PART OF THAT DONT U GET?
Dr. Winters breaks this down wonderfully, as he was the one who pointed it out;
"During the Fifth Dynasty of Egypt (2563-2423), namely during the reign of Sahure there is mention of the Tehenu people. Sahure referred to the Tehenu leader “Hati Tehenu” . These Hatiu, correspond to the Hatti speaking people of Anatolia. The Hatti/Hurrian people often referred to themselves as Kashkas or Kaskas.
During the Old Kingdom the Kushytes were also called heqa khasut, "ruler(s) of the foreign countries".
Hattians lived in Anatolia. They worshipped Kasku and Kusuh. They were especially prominent in the Pontic mountains. Their sister nation in the Halys Basin were the Kaska tribes. The Kaska and Hattians share the same names for gods, along with personal and place names . The Kaska had a strong empire which was never defeated by the Hittites.
During the Old Kingdom the Kushytes were also called heqa khasut, "ruler(s) of the foreign countries".
Hattians lived in Anatolia. They worshipped Kasku and Kusuh. They were especially prominent in the Pontic mountains. Their sister nation in the Halys Basin were the Kaska tribes. The Kaska and Hattians share the same names for gods, along with personal and place names . The Kaska had a strong empire which was never defeated by the Hittites.
The hyksos according to Bright, John (2000). "A History of Israel". Westminster John Knox Press ( p.60 ); and Drews, Robert (1 October 1994). "The Coming of the Greeks: Indo-European Conquests in the Aegean and the Near East". Princeton University Press(p.254 ) included Hurrians/Hattians.
The heqa khasut, "ruler(s) of the foreign countries" or Hyksos/ Hykussos, were Hattians or Kashkas. in otherwords they were Kushytes. This is obvious in their name khasut which corresponds to Kaska. The name heqa khasut , was first used by the Old Kingdom to refer to the Kushyte Nubian chieftains. That is why the Hyksos / Hykussos expected the Kushytes in Nubia to support them in their war with the Egyptians."
That is incorrect....here is the source of the image of the "Negroid" Shepard Kings
"Boston Public Library
Statues of Shepherd Kings
BPLDC no.: 08_04_000038
Page Title: Statues of Shepherd Kings
Collection: Tupper Scrapbooks Collection
Album: Volume 26: Lower Egypt. Pyramids.
Call no. 4098B.104 v26 (p. 37)
Creator: Tupper, William Vaughn
Description: Scrapbook page containing a photograph of a statue of the Shepherd Kings (two sphinx-like figures), annotated with information about the significance of the figures. There are also drawings of the cartouche of Pasebxanu I.
Subjects:
Egyptian (ancient)
statue
Sphinxes
Rulers--Egypt
Annotations:
"[Ti?] n'y a pas de monuments que appartiennent plus incontestablement à l'époque agitée qui vit les Pasteurs maîtres de l'Egypte." Mariette
Shepherd Kings
Two Asiatic looking figures standing on a single base before sacrificial tables which are lavishly adorned with aquatic plants birds and fishes. The character of the faces resemble the Hyksos Sphinx and their matted (or wavy) beards, plaited hair, and ornaments and bracelets on their armsdistinguish them from other Egyptian monuments. The name of Psusennes-Psioukhanou, Pasebxanu XXI Dynasty was added at a later date.
Who are whence were The Shepherds is not very definitely known. Rawlinson calls them"a collection of all the nomadic hoardes of Syria and Arabia"an overwhelming floor of a quarter of a million of men who swooped down upon, conquered and occupied the delta, the Fayoum, and Lower Nile valley. The upper Nile paid tribute to them but was never conquered them. Their reign was 200 @ 500 years- They were driven out by Aahmes.
Language: English and French, photograph titled in French
Notes: Title supplied by cataloger, derived from captions or annotated information. Cartouche attributed to E.A.W. Budge, British Museum.
Photographer: Sébah, J. Pascal
Title: (Musèe Ghizeh) Les Rois Pasteurs 209
Caption: Statues of Shepherd Kings Found at Tanis. Grey Granite.
Date: ca. 1860-1890"
Statues of Shepherd Kings
BPLDC no.: 08_04_000038
Page Title: Statues of Shepherd Kings
Collection: Tupper Scrapbooks Collection
Album: Volume 26: Lower Egypt. Pyramids.
Call no. 4098B.104 v26 (p. 37)
Creator: Tupper, William Vaughn
Description: Scrapbook page containing a photograph of a statue of the Shepherd Kings (two sphinx-like figures), annotated with information about the significance of the figures. There are also drawings of the cartouche of Pasebxanu I.
Subjects:
Egyptian (ancient)
statue
Sphinxes
Rulers--Egypt
Annotations:
"[Ti?] n'y a pas de monuments que appartiennent plus incontestablement à l'époque agitée qui vit les Pasteurs maîtres de l'Egypte." Mariette
Shepherd Kings
Two Asiatic looking figures standing on a single base before sacrificial tables which are lavishly adorned with aquatic plants birds and fishes. The character of the faces resemble the Hyksos Sphinx and their matted (or wavy) beards, plaited hair, and ornaments and bracelets on their armsdistinguish them from other Egyptian monuments. The name of Psusennes-Psioukhanou, Pasebxanu XXI Dynasty was added at a later date.
Who are whence were The Shepherds is not very definitely known. Rawlinson calls them"a collection of all the nomadic hoardes of Syria and Arabia"an overwhelming floor of a quarter of a million of men who swooped down upon, conquered and occupied the delta, the Fayoum, and Lower Nile valley. The upper Nile paid tribute to them but was never conquered them. Their reign was 200 @ 500 years- They were driven out by Aahmes.
Language: English and French, photograph titled in French
Notes: Title supplied by cataloger, derived from captions or annotated information. Cartouche attributed to E.A.W. Budge, British Museum.
Photographer: Sébah, J. Pascal
Title: (Musèe Ghizeh) Les Rois Pasteurs 209
Caption: Statues of Shepherd Kings Found at Tanis. Grey Granite.
Date: ca. 1860-1890"
Here is a depiction of them with clear "Negroid" features, which reflects the biological assignments of studies like Brace 2005.
Yes it was;
You are entirely out of your league trying to debate me on this subject. The below describes the the white element gives many Middle Easterners a Semitic/mulatto phenotype (that you assumed was the default phenotype for the region) did not enter into the Middle East and Europe until after the 2nd millennium BC. If the white element did not enter into the picture until after the second millennium BC then why in the Hell would you assume that they were anything but black prior?
and this is not a new finding;
"THE MEDITERRANEAN RACE
Preface
WHEN this little book was first published in an Italian edition in 1895, and in a German edition in 1897, I was still unable to obtain many anthropological data needed to complete tha picture of the primitive inhabitants of Europe. In the English edition the book is less incomplete, richer in anthropological and ethnological documents, and hence more conclusive; it also contains replies to various objections which have been brought forward. This English edition, therefore, is not so much a translation of a work already published as a new book, both in form and arrangement
The conclusions I have sought to maintain are the following :- +
(1.) The primitive populations of Europe, after Homo Neandertkalensis, originated in Africa; these constituted the entire population of Neolithic times.
(2.) The basin of the Mediterranean was the chief centre of movement whence the African migrations reached the centre and the north of Europe.
(3.) From the great African stock were formed three varieties, in accordance with differing telluric and geographic conditions: one,.,peculiarly African, remaining in the continent where it originated; another, .the Mediterranean, which occupied the basin of that sea; and a third, the Nordtic:, which reached the north of Europe. These three varieties are the three great branches of one species, which I call Eurafrican, because it occupied, and still occupies, a large portion of the two continents of Africa and Europe.
(4) These three human varieties have nothing in common with the so-called Aryan races; it is an error to maintain that the Germans and the Scandinavians, blond dolichocephals or long-heads (of the Reihengraber and Viking types), are Aryans; they . are Eurafricans of the Nordic variety.
(5.) The Aryans are of Asiatic origin, and constitute a variety of the Eurafrican: species,• the physical characters of their skeletons are different from those of the Eurafricans.
(6.) The primitive civilisation of the Eurafricans is Afro-Mediterranean, becoming eventually AfroEuropean.
(7.) The Mycenrean civilisation had its origin in Asia, and was transformed by diffusion in the Mediterranean.
(8.) The two classic civilisations, Greek and Latin; were not Aryan, but Mediterranean. The Aryans were savages when they invaded Europe: they destroyed in part the superior civilisation of the Neolithic populations, and could not have created the Greco-Latin civilization
(9.) In the course of the Aryan invasions the languages of the Eurafrican species in Europe were transformed in Italy, Greece, and elsewhere, Celtic, German, Slavonic, etc., being genuine branches of the Aryan tongue; in other cases the Aryan languages underwent a transformation, preserving some elements of the conquered tongues, as in the NeoCeltic of Wales. Some of these conclusions no longer arouse the same opposition as when I first brought them forward. The arguments meeting with most resistance are those tending to overthrow the ancient conception of an Aryan civilization.
THE FUTURE WILL ENABLE US TO SEE THESE QUESTIONS MORE CLEARLY. G. SERGI.
ROME, Feoruary, 1901."
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Keep in mind, some of these other west African civilizations came thousands of years after ancient Egypt was over.
It seems people always try to crunch ancient history into a 50-year time span.
We can talk about other African civilizations without shytting on Ancient Egypt.
Most of what is called 'Ancient Egypt' was ruled by people native to that land.
You're talking about a 2,600 year period (From about 3,100 to 500 BC). Within that time, one dynasty was foreign (the Hyksos). They ruled for about a 100 years.
The late period (around 500 BC onward) when first the Nubians, then the Assyrians, then the Persians ruled (25th - 29th dynasties). With the 30th dynasty, native Egyptians took it back for about 40 years (this was the last native Egyptian dynasty). Then started the Greeks, then Romans.
Again, for a good 2,600 years there was native rulers.
Their culture was so strong it lasted for 2,600 years virtually uninterrupted. That's longer than any culture in the history of the world.
Even after the Persians and the Greeks conquered Egypt, they kept calling themselves Pharaohs. So invaders adopted their culture. So it's actually closer to 3,000 years.
Most of the DNA from these mummies that have been released and highlighted on CNN and other media are from the late periods when the Greeks in Romans occupied Egypt.
Here's an article on the Egyptian and lake Chad region connection:
Unreported Heritage News: Ancient Egyptians made the arduous trek to Chad new research suggests
Here's the hieroglyph:
It seems people always try to crunch ancient history into a 50-year time span.
We can talk about other African civilizations without shytting on Ancient Egypt.
I love how many Americans latch on to Egyptian history like they have ancestors there. nikkas know every little details about Egyptian history but couldnt teach u damn thing about Ghanian or Nigerian history where they actually came from.
shyt is
ancient egypt is so overrated. Cacs and Western Africans stay obsessed over that region
@Asante point about the time line is critical.
Most of what is called 'Ancient Egypt' was ruled by people native to that land.
You're talking about a 2,600 year period (From about 3,100 to 500 BC). Within that time, one dynasty was foreign (the Hyksos). They ruled for about a 100 years.
The late period (around 500 BC onward) when first the Nubians, then the Assyrians, then the Persians ruled (25th - 29th dynasties). With the 30th dynasty, native Egyptians took it back for about 40 years (this was the last native Egyptian dynasty). Then started the Greeks, then Romans.
Again, for a good 2,600 years there was native rulers.
Their culture was so strong it lasted for 2,600 years virtually uninterrupted. That's longer than any culture in the history of the world.
Even after the Persians and the Greeks conquered Egypt, they kept calling themselves Pharaohs. So invaders adopted their culture. So it's actually closer to 3,000 years.
Exactly.
Most of the DNA from these mummies that have been released and highlighted on CNN and other media are from the late periods when the Greeks in Romans occupied Egypt.
Kemit's trading partner, the Kingdom of the Yam, I believe there is growing evidence that they were around the Lake Chad basin area (Egyptian hieroglyphs have been found in the basin area). Most maps have it below Nubia. Hieroglyphs mentioning the Kingdom of the Yam date from 2300 - 2100 BC.
Here's an article on the Egyptian and lake Chad region connection:
Unreported Heritage News: Ancient Egyptians made the arduous trek to Chad new research suggests
Here's the hieroglyph:
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Yes it was;
You are entirely out of your league trying to debate me on this subject. The below describes the the white element gives many Middle Easterners a Semitic/mulatto phenotype (that you assumed was the default phenotype for the region) did not enter into the Middle East and Europe until after the 2nd millennium BC. If the white element did not enter into the picture until after the second millennium BC then why in the Hell would you assume that they were anything but black prior?
and this is not a new finding;
"THE MEDITERRANEAN RACE
Preface
WHEN this little book was first published in an Italian edition in 1895, and in a German edition in 1897, I was still unable to obtain many anthropological data needed to complete tha picture of the primitive inhabitants of Europe. In the English edition the book is less incomplete, richer in anthropological and ethnological documents, and hence more conclusive; it also contains replies to various objections which have been brought forward. This English edition, therefore, is not so much a translation of a work already published as a new book, both in form and arrangement
The conclusions I have sought to maintain are the following :- +
(1.) The primitive populations of Europe, after Homo Neandertkalensis, originated in Africa; these constituted the entire population of Neolithic times.
(2.) The basin of the Mediterranean was the chief centre of movement whence the African migrations reached the centre and the north of Europe.
(3.) From the great African stock were formed three varieties, in accordance with differing telluric and geographic conditions: one,.,peculiarly African, remaining in the continent where it originated; another, .the Mediterranean, which occupied the basin of that sea; and a third, the Nordtic:, which reached the north of Europe. These three varieties are the three great branches of one species, which I call Eurafrican, because it occupied, and still occupies, a large portion of the two continents of Africa and Europe.
(4) These three human varieties have nothing in common with the so-called Aryan races; it is an error to maintain that the Germans and the Scandinavians, blond dolichocephals or long-heads (of the Reihengraber and Viking types), are Aryans; they . are Eurafricans of the Nordic variety.
(5.) The Aryans are of Asiatic origin, and constitute a variety of the Eurafrican: species,• the physical characters of their skeletons are different from those of the Eurafricans.
(6.) The primitive civilisation of the Eurafricans is Afro-Mediterranean, becoming eventually AfroEuropean.
(7.) The Mycenrean civilisation had its origin in Asia, and was transformed by diffusion in the Mediterranean.
(8.) The two classic civilisations, Greek and Latin; were not Aryan, but Mediterranean. The Aryans were savages when they invaded Europe: they destroyed in part the superior civilisation of the Neolithic populations, and could not have created the Greco-Latin civilization
(9.) In the course of the Aryan invasions the languages of the Eurafrican species in Europe were transformed in Italy, Greece, and elsewhere, Celtic, German, Slavonic, etc., being genuine branches of the Aryan tongue; in other cases the Aryan languages underwent a transformation, preserving some elements of the conquered tongues, as in the NeoCeltic of Wales. Some of these conclusions no longer arouse the same opposition as when I first brought them forward. The arguments meeting with most resistance are those tending to overthrow the ancient conception of an Aryan civilization.
THE FUTURE WILL ENABLE US TO SEE THESE QUESTIONS MORE CLEARLY. G. SERGI.
ROME, Feoruary, 1901."
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