So Ancient Egyptians really looked like this?

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Middle eastern people have been in egypt since the pre-dynastic period breh. It was known as the maadi culture back then. If you research on it, it becomes obvious that there was inflow from people from the levant into lower egypt. They brought crops and cultivation techniques from there. :manny:

That is incorrect;

"..sample populations available from northern Egypt from before the 1st Dynasty (Merimda, Maadi and Wadi Digla) turn out to be significantly different from sample populations from early Palestine and Byblos, suggesting a lack of common ancestors over a long time. If there was a south-north cline variation along the Nile valley it did not, from this limited evidence, continue smoothly on into southern Palestine. The limb-length proportions of males from the Egyptian sites group them with Africans rather than with Europeans." (Barry Kemp, "Ancient Egypt Anatomy of a Civilisation. (2005) Routledge. p. 52-60)

Early Lower Kemites were "Tropically Adapted" like the Africans in Southern Kemet. Egypt does not lay in the tropics;


So they logically came from the tropics further to the south. Dr. C.A. Diop makes the claim that these early Lower Kemites were in fact Dravidians, which given the evidence of their migration from Africa that seems like the most plausible population to be there.


Once they unified upper and lower egypt, there was movement between the regions and interbreeding so it eventually became mixed.

Those were Dravidians in all likelihood, so it would have been black on black mixing in some instances.

Nikkas gonna call me a c00n but it is what it is.

No just wrong at this point..
 

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No actually the hypothesis is essentially the theory, and the hypothesis is the basis of scientific inquiry you dumbass.



A thought that needs to be tested. i.e the scientific process dumbass.



What you're saying is a hypothesis informed by ignorance, and validated by NOTHING. What I've stated are the implications of the results of already tested hypothesis, i.e the conclusions of the peer reviewed studies. Peer reviewed means that the results of testing the hypothesis was reached by multiple qualified individuals. Nothing that you say makes any fukking sense, so stop the hoe babble and accept your schooling.


YOURE TRYIN TOO HARD
 

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I have respect for Ancient Egypt but let's be honest, they were pretty much cucks since the 22nd dynasty (Berbers). Pretty much every ruling dynasty after that was non-Egyptian.
I'd rather talk about the Bantu expansions/migrations that started 3000-4000 years ago starting around SE Nigeria & Western Cameroon. They were probably the first Iron age peoples and they spread agriculture across Central, East and Southern Africa. I wonder what artefacts we could uncover through archeological research? What polities are there to be found that they created during the Bantu's spread?

AAARRGHH!? THERE. WAS.NO. BANTU.MIGRATION.FROM.CAMEROON!? It was a theory, now debunked . I'm on my phone-do you need sources? I can post up later. We've got to kill this fake history, brehs!
 

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AAARRGHH!? THERE. WAS.NO. BANTU.MIGRATION.FROM.CAMEROON!? It was a theory, now debunked . I'm on my phone-do you need sources? I can post up later. We've got to kill this fake history, brehs!

EXACTLY!!!! He is a fukking cac disguising himself with an African name here to promote that Cameroonian Bantu migration nonsense. That is the main lie that Cacs have used to disconnect most black Africans from ancient Kemet.
 

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SHUT YO SNITCH US UP HOE

I CAN PRACTICALLY HEAR U CRYIN THROUGH THE SCREEN

EITHER REFUTE MY POINTS LIKE A MAN OR SHUT THE FUCC UP

:stopitslime: Look at the Synagogue of Satan in action. This mf's was acting a fool throughout this thread. Not surprised AT ALL that this mf is a Jew!!! Look at how he tried to infiltrate this discussion on black history, and mislead us from the truth of the race of the ancient Kemites based on his own Jewish Zionsist viewpoints on the subject. He tried to infiltrate the conversation through overusing black slang to give himself some credibility among blacks. :hhh: This is why NON BLACKS (especially sneaky ass Jews) should NEVER be welcomed into our conversations. They are sneaky, and have a disingenuous agenda ALWAYS!!!

https://www.thecoli.com/threads/a-jew-breaks-down-the-real.793351/

Now as I stated earlier this month and last month look at everybody in this thread who has dappep him or who he has dapped and the pattern of bullshyt that they spread about black African history.
 

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YOURE TRYIN TOO HARD

STOP TRYING TO PROJECT YOUR BULLshyt. AT THIS POINT WE ALL KNOW THAT YOU ARE A JEW TRYING TO ACT BLACK TO GIVE YOURSELF CREDIBILITY IN THIS DEBATE. DRINK CLOROX bytch.
 

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:stopitslime: Look at the Synagogue of Satan in action. This mf's was acting a fool throughout this thread. Not surprised AT ALL that this mf is a Jew!!! Look at how he tried to infiltrate this discussion on black history, and mislead us from the truth of the race of the ancient Kemites based on his own Jewish Zionsist viewpoints on the subject. He tried to infiltrate the conversation through overusing black slang to give himself some credibility among blacks. :hhh: This is why NON BLACKS (especially sneaky ass Jews) should NEVER be welcomed into our conversations. They are sneaky, and have a disingenuous agenda ALWAYS!!!

https://www.thecoli.com/threads/a-jew-breaks-down-the-real.793351/

Now as I stated earlier this month and last month look at everybody in this thread who has dappep him or who he has dapped and the pattern of bullshyt that they spread about black African history.

Shlomo would've , should've been banned long ago. It'll never happen so I suggest do what I do- ignore him.
 

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While one of the migrations on this map is incorrect, do you understand why this map makes yours assertion fukking retarded?

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Africans have NEVER remained in the same region for you to make said assumption. What you are saying comes from plain ignorance. Which population would you say is the result of being in one area for a long period of time?




Wrong again dumb ass;

"There is no archaeological, linguistic, or historical data which indicate a European or Asiatic invasion of, or migration to, the Nile Valley during First Dynasty times. Previous concepts about the origin of the First Dynasty Egyptians as being somehow external to the Nile Valley or less native are not supported by archaeology... In summary, the Abydos First Dynasty royal tomb contents reveal a notable craniometric heterogeneity. Southerners predominate. (Kieta, S. (1992) Further Studies of Crania From Ancient Northern Africa: An Analysis of Crania From First Dynasty Egyptian Tombs, Using Multiple Discriminant Functions. AMERICAN JOURNAL OF PHYSICAL ANTHROPOLOGY 87:245-254)



The Middle East is a fukking conglomerate of different races, with the African black races obviously being the original people of the so called Near East. Your point is therefore moot.



Nobody cares about your personal taste in men fakkit. These people are not the original population of ancient Kemet. The original population migrated in Nubia and then into Inner Africa following the Persian invasion.

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Shut the fukk up bytch.

I add to that...

"Many of the sites reveal evidence of important interactions between Nilotic and Saharan groups during the formative phases of the Egyptian Predynastic Period (e.g. Wadi el-Hôl, Rayayna, Nuq’ Menih, Kurkur Oasis). Other sites preserve important information regarding the use of the desert routes during the Protodynastic and Pharaonic Periods, particularly during periods of political and military turmoil in the Nile Valley (e.g. Gebel Tjauti, Wadi el-Hôl)."
Theban Desert Road Survey and Yale Toshka Desert Survey | Yale in Egypt


There is now a sufficient body of evidence from modern studies of skeletal remains to indicate that the ancient Egyptians, especially southern Egyptians, exhibited physical characteristics that are within the range of variation for ancient and modern indigenous peoples of the Sahara and tropical Africa.

In general, the inhabitants of Upper Egypt and Nubia had the greatest biological affinity to people of the Sahara and more southerly areas
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Any interpretation of the biological affinities of the ancient Egyptians must be placed in the context of hypothesis informed by the archaeological, linguistic, geographic or other data.

In this context the physical anthropological evidence indicates that the early Nile Valley populations can be identified as part of an African lineage, but exhibiting local variation.

This variation represents the short and long term effects of evolutionary forces, such as gene flow, genetic drift, and natural selection influenced by culture and geography"
~Kathryn A. Bard (STEPHEN E. THOMPSON Egyptians, physical anthropology of Physical anthropology)

"As a result of their facial prognathism, the Badarian sample has been described as forming a morphological cluster with Nubian, Tigrean, and other southern (or "Negroid") groups* (Morant, 1935, 1937; Mukherjee et al., 1955; Nutter, 1958, Strouhal, 1971; Angel, 1972; Keita, 1990). Cranial nonmetric trait studies have found this group to be similar to other Egyptians, including much later material (Berry and Berry, 1967, 1972), but also to be significantly different from LPD material (Berry et al., 1967). Similarly, the study of dental nonmetric traits has suggested that the Badarian population is at the centroid of Egyptian dental samples (Irish, 2006), thereby suggesting similarity and hence continuity across Egyptian time periods. From the central location of the Badarian samples in Figure 2, the current study finds the Badarian to be relatively morphologically close to the centroid of all the Egyptian samples. The Badarian have been shown to exhibit greatest morphological similarity with the temporally successive EPD (Table 5). Finally, the biological distinctiveness of the Badarian from other Egyptian samples has also been demonstrated (Tables 6 and 7).

These results suggest that the EDyn do form a distinct morphological pattern. Their overlap with other Egyptian samples (in PC space, Fig. 2) suggests that although their morphology is distinctive, the pattern does overlap with the other time periods. These results therefore do not support the Petrie concept of a \Dynastic race" (Petrie, 1939; Derry, 1956). Instead, the results suggest that the Egyptian state was not the product of mass movement of populations into the Egyptian Nile region, but rather that it was the result of primarily indigenous development combined with prolonged small-scale migration, potentially from trade, military, or other contacts.

This evidence suggests that the process of state formation itself may have been mainly an indigenous process, but that it may have occurred in association with in-migration to the Abydos region of the Nile Valley. This potential in-migration may have occurred particularly during the EDyn and OK. A possible explanation is that the Egyptian state formed through increasing control of trade and raw materials, or due to military actions, potentially associated with the use of the Nile Valley as a corridor for prolonged small scale movements through the desert environment."
~Sonia R. Zakrzewski. (2007). Population Continuity or Population Change: Formation of the Ancient Egyptian State. AMERICAN JOURNAL OF PHYSICAL ANTHROPOLOGY 132:501-509)

“Morphological and genetic research seems to provide further support for the topic. According to Grigson (1991, 2000) Egyptian cattle of the 4th millennium BC were morphologically distinct from Eurasian cattle (Bos taurus) and Zebu (Bos indicus), meaning that African cattle may have been domesticated from the local wild […]

Genetic studies indicate that the wild cattle in Eurasia and in Africa diverged 22,000y ears ago and suggest an autochthonous domestication for the latter (Blench and MacDonald 2000; Bradly et al. 1996; Caramelli 2006). Linguistic research also provides help in supporting the CPE’s theory. The detailed work done by Ehret (2006) on linguistic stratigraphies in North-eastern Africa revealed how terms connected with cattle herding are older than those associated with agriculture, chronologically placing their origin at the beginning of the Holocene. […]

To sum up, Nubia is Egypt’s African ancestor. What linked Ancient Egypt to the rest of the North African cultures is this strong tie with the Nubian pastoral nomadic lifestyle, the same pastoral background commonly shared by most of the ancient Saharan and modern sub-Saharan societies. Thus, not only did Nubia have a prominent role in the origin of Ancient Egypt, it was also a key area for the origin of the entire African pastoral tradition.”
~Gatto M. 2009.
The Nubian Pastoral Culture as Link between Egypt and Africa: A View from the Archaeological Record
Egypt in its African Context: BAR S2204- Archaeopress. 21-29


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The process of the peopling of the Nile Valley likely shaped the population structure and early biological similarity of Egyptians and Nubians. As others have noted, affinity among Nilotic populations was due to an aggregation of events, including environmental, linguistic, and sociopolitical changes over a great deal of time. This study seeks to evaluate the relationships of Nubian and Egyptian groups in the context of the original peopling event. Cranial nonmetric traits from 18 Nubian and Egyptian samples, spanning Lower Egypt to Lower Nubia and approximately 7400 years, were analyzed using Mahalanobis D2 as a measure of biological distance. A principal coordinates analysis and spatial-temporal model were applied to these data. The results reveal temporal and spatial patterning consistent with documented events in Egyptian and Nubian population history. Moreover, the Mesolithic Nubian sample clustered with later Nubian and Egyptian samples, indicating that events prior to the Mesolithic were important in shaping the later genetic patterning of the Nubian population. Later contact through the establishment of the Egyptian fort at Buhen, Kerma’s position as a strategic trade center along the Nile, and Egyptian colonization at Tombos maintained genetic similarity among the populations”
~Godde K July 2018
A new analysis interpreting Nilotic relationships and peopling of the Nile Valley
 

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Post-Pleistocene climatic improvement in the Northern Hemisphere after ca. 9550 BC allowed human populations to recolonize large parts of North Africa in what is today the Sahara Desert. In the Egyptian Western Desert, the beginnings of human occupation date as early as ca. 9300 BC. Occupation continued until the middle of the third millennium BC when final desertification of the area no longer afforded human occupation. The settlement of the Neolithic cattle and sheep/goat herders developed along with the rhythm of alternating wet and dry climatic oscillations. One of the areas occupied intensively during the early and middle Holocene was Gebel Ramlah. Pastoral populations established their settlements around the shores of a paleo-lake adjacent to a rocky massif, to exploit the local savannah environment. During most of the Neolithic, they buried their dead dispersed outside of their settlements. Only during the Final Neolithic (after ca. 4600 BC) did they place them exclusively in cemeteries. Of six Final Neolithic cemeteries investigated at Gebel Ramlah to date, one is entirely unprecedented, not only in North Africa but also globally at such an early date. For just under 200 years (ca. 4500–4300 BC), it served exclusively for the inhumation of infants who died around (perinate) or shortly after the time of birth (neonate). Thirty-two

burial pits contained skeletal remains of 39 individuals, not only infants but also at least two adult females accompanied by perinates/neonates. Older children (> 3 years) were interred at a nearby cemetery that primarily comprised adults.

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The area around Gebel Ramlah was settled since the beginning of the Early Neolithic, and the density of settlement reached its maximum during the El Jerar phase (climatic optimum of the Holocene). Traces from the Middle, Late, and Final Neolithic are less intensive and random. In fact, for the Final Neolithic, we have more information on mortuary behavior than for the settlement pattern and subsistence. Between 4500 and 4300 BC, south-western fringes of the Gebel Ramlah lake served as an extended burial ground for different populations. Different ancestry and relationships of these populations can be followed on the basis of archaeological and, partially, bioarchaeological arguments. Some groups (using cemeteries E-01-2, E-03-1, E-03-2, and E-09-4) show some affiliation with sub-Saharan Africans, readable in the pottery assemblage and other grave goods, as well as some morphological features (Irish 2010; Kobusiewicz and Kabaciński 2010; Czekaj-Zastawny and Kabaciński 2015). These people were certainly mobile, perhaps spending only a few months per year at Gebel Ramlah. The E-09-02 cemeteries for neonates and adults belonged to another, more sedentary group with limited mobility; however, we cannot trace their origins based on the available record. An almost complete lack of grave goods does not allow comparative analyses. On the other hand, peculiar characters of the skeletal remains at these cemeteries—numerous neonatal/perinatal individuals and poorly preserved subadults/adults—do not allow reliable studies based on craniometric or dental data. But, qualitatively, there are no obvious differences among all populations from Gebel Ramlah at the beginning of the Final Neolithic. Thus, the two groups, culturally different, were likely not much different biologically, possibly deriving from the same region of Africa.

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Ethnographic data offer support by showing how radically different children are treated in various African societies (Gottlieb 2004a, b; Pawlik 2004; Kabaciński et al. 2018).
~Agnieszka Czekaj-Zastawny & Tomasz Goslar & Joel D. Irish & Jacek Kabaciński
Gebel Ramlah—a Unique Newborns’ Cemetery of the Neolithic Sahara
African Archaeological Review volume 35, pages393–405(2018)
Gebel Ramlah—a Unique Newborns’ Cemetery of the Neolithic Sahara



Figure 1: Images of North African prehistoric rock and cave paintings.

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From (a, b) Swimmer’s Cave (Wadi Sura, southern Egypt), (c) the Ennedi massif (northeastern Chad) and (d) Zolat el Hammad, Wadi Howar (northern Sudan).

Evidence for the African Humid Period

The Early Holocene AHP is one of the most thoroughly documented and well-dated climate change events in the geologic record, and the number and diversity of paleoclimate records is remarkable (COHMAP Members, 1988; deMenocal et al., 2000; Gasse, 2000; Hoelzmann et al., 1998; Jolly, 1998; Kroepelin, 2008; Kuper and Kröpelin, 2006). Through these terrestrial and marine records we can document both the timing and extent of the humid interval.

Geological evidence for past lake basins in the Sahara are commonly found near interdune depressions and other low-lying regions, where ancient lake bed sediment outcrops and shoreline deposits are exposed. Most of the early Holocene paleolakes were small, but numerous and widespread (Figure 2b). Some lake basins in North Africa were exceptionally large, as large as the Caspian Sea today. These so-called megalakes occurred in the North (Megalake Fezzan, Libya), South (Megalake Chad, Chad/Niger/Nigeria), West (Chotts Megalakes, Algeria) and East (Megalakes Turkana and Kenya) (Drake and Bristow, 2006). Based on their stratigraphic records, these must have been permanent, open-basin lakes, indicating that annual moisture supply exceeded evaporation for many millennia during the AHP, even in the driest regions of the modern-day Sahara.

A continent-wide compilation of past lake-level reconstructions (the Oxford Lake Level Database (OLLD) (COHMAP Members, 1988; Street-Perrott et al., 1989)) updated with lake-level reconstructions published in the last twenty years (Tierney et al., 2011) chronicles the changes in lake levels that occurred across Africa as a result of the African Humid Period (Figure 2b). This database classifies lakes as "low" (lake is within 0–15% of its potential volume or dry), "intermediate" (lake is within 15–70% of its potential volume) or "high" (lake is within 70–100% of its potential volume or overflowing) every 1000 years during the late-glacial period and the Holocene. The difference in lake levels at 9000 years — the height of the African Humid Period — relative to the conditions today shows that the extent of the AHP across the continent was vast — extending from the far northern Sahara to as far south as 10˚S in East Africa (Figure 3).

Paleoclimate and archaeological evidence tells us that, 11,000-5,000 years ago, the Earth's slow orbital 'wobble' transformed today's Sahara desert to a land covered with vegetation and lakes.

http://www.nature.com/scitable/know...ahara-african-humid-periods-paced-by-82884405
 
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