So all Hitler had to do was not backstab stalin...and london west Europe is his

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False! Stalin wanted Hitler to attack Britain AFTER which he'd have invaded W Europe. Hitler found out and ACTUALLY ATTACKED just in time . Rmbr, Stalin invaded Finland in 1939- HISTORY books DON'T tell too it was practice for the whole of Europe.
The Russians were caught out at jump off points all along the border and lost enormous war stocks and materials. Just finished an excellent book I'll reread by a Russian intel guy, Victor Suvorov laying it all out.

The Chief Culprit: Stalin's Grand Design to Start World War II

"Suvorov debunks the theory that Stalin was duped by Hitler and that the Soviet Union was a victim of Nazi aggression. "


"Hitler's intelligence services detected the Soviet Union's preparations for a major war against Germany. This detection, he argues, led to Germany's preemptive war plan and the launch of an invasion of the USSR. Stalin emerges from the pages of this book as a diabolical genius consumed by visions of a worldwide Communist revolution at any cost--a leader who wooed Hitler and Germany in his own effort to conquer the world"

IIRC, the Germans captured 4800 railroad cars of ordnance in the first week on invasion!?



I think this book is a bit far-fetched. I agree that we shouldn't view Stalin as a naive victim, he definitely foresaw that there would be a war against Germany and signed the treaty to buy enough time for the USSR to get prepared for that war. So although they definitely knew that they needed to strap up and get organised, to portray him as the architect of the war goes much too far.

The Germans had powerful reasons of their own to start the war, like I said they were really hurting for fuel. All of their tank divisions and their air force couldn't be mobilised entirely because there just wasn't enough fuel for every tank and every plane they had to be sent out into the field. That's a problem you've got to resolve as a commander. What's the point of building all those tanks and planes when you can't use half of them because you don't have the petrol?
 

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I think this book is a bit far-fetched. I agree that we shouldn't view Stalin as a naive victim, he definitely foresaw that there would be a war against Germany and signed the treaty to buy enough time for the USSR to get prepared for that war. So although they definitely knew that they needed to strap up and get organised, to portray him as the architect of the war goes much too far.

The Germans had powerful reasons of their own to start the war, like I said they were really hurting for fuel. All of their tank divisions and their air force couldn't be mobilised entirely because there just wasn't enough fuel for every tank and every plane they had to be sent out into the field. That's a problem you've got to resolve as a commander. What's the point of building all those tanks and planes when you can't use half of them because you don't have the petrol?

No. Look at Suvorovs' bio again.

From 1965 to 1968, Suvorov completed courses at what he called the Frunze Red Banner Higher Military Command School in Kiev. There were multiple Soviet military academies with the honorific "Frunze," but the school in question was the Kiev Higher Combined Arms Command twice Red Banner School imeni M.V. Frunze.(Kiev Higher Combined Arms Command School)

In 1968, he served in the 145th Guards Motor Rifle Regiment, 66th Guards Training Motor Rifle Division, of the Carpathian Military District in Ukraine, participating in the Warsaw Pact invasion of Czechoslovakia. In 1970 and 1971, he served in the Volga Military District Headquarters, and later with the 808th Independent Army Reconnaissance Company (Spetsnaz).

After attending the Military Diplomatic Academy from 1971 to 1974, Suvorov joined the Soviet mission to the United Nations Office at Geneva, working undercover for the Soviet military intelligence service (Glavnoye Razvedyvatel'noye Upravleniye; GRU). He was promoted to the rank of Captain.[citation needed][2] He drew from all these experiences in his later writing about the institutions.
Viktor Suvorov - Wikipedia


This nikka knew where ALL the bodies were buried !

A Luftwaffe flyguy indirectly confirmed Suvorov in his own memoirs .

"For instance, on the road to
Vitebsk along which our troops are advancing there is one of these half-
finished airfields packed with Martin bombers. They must be short either of
petrol or of crews. Flying in this way over one airfield after another, over
one strongpoint after another, one reflects: “It is a good thing we struck” ...
It looks as if the Soviets meant to build all these preparations up as a base
for invasion against us."



hans-ulrich rudel

Stalin, imo OBVIOUSLY wanted W Europe and Hitler stopped him.
 
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@Sukairain ^^...Good stuff.

I'll be curious to see what you come up with.

Fascinating. Let us read it please.
Secret alliances also caused WW1 if I remember correctly. When the match went off, the teams were already set and stockpiles were already in place. Europe just need that one event, to set it all off.

I'm going to bump this because I have got a decent draft of this up, which I'm now in the process of shopping around to various publications for peer review. I'm not fussed where it gets accepted, as long as somebody accepts it!

As a word of caution, it's about 30 pages long and only a couple of pages deal with the WW2 stuff; all of the rest of it is 2nd century BCE stuff like I detailed in my earlier post here. But if anybody cares just PM me and I'll share my draft with you, once I've submitted it to all the journals I've targeted
 

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I'm going to bump this because I have got a decent draft of this up, which I'm now in the process of shopping around to various publications for peer review. I'm not fussed where it gets accepted, as long as somebody accepts it!

As a word of caution, it's about 30 pages long and only a couple of pages deal with the WW2 stuff; all of the rest of it is 2nd century BCE stuff like I detailed in my earlier post here. But if anybody cares just PM me and I'll share my draft with you, once I've submitted it to all the journals I've targeted


That's awesome, you getting your PhD in History?
 

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That's awesome, you getting your PhD in History?

No, not yet. I applied for a doctoral place 2 years ago but it wasn't practical for me. If I went ahead with it I would have had no income and finished with a $96,000 debt in principle with annual indexation pegged to the inflation rate, on top of the $31,000 I already owe for my undergrad. For a 25 year old at the time it was too much to justify without a scholarship which I couldn't secure. I mean $127k before interest is enough for a big down payment on an apartment or even a house. It's not the sort of money a young person can afford to gamble with on a degree

So I waited and applied for masters places last year, and I got a full ride, no tuition fees and I get paid a salary on top as well :blessed:

I also feel that short term it would make me more employable than a PhD. Recruiters are way more likely to give a 29 year old with a master's degree but only limited work experience a go, than they are a 29 year old with a PhD but only limited work experience. You'd be considered over-qualified for graduate positions and under-experienced for senior positions
 

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No, not yet. I applied for a doctoral place 2 years ago but it wasn't practical for me. If I went ahead with it I would have had no income and finished with a $96,000 debt in principle with annual indexation pegged to the inflation rate, on top of the $31,000 I already owe for my undergrad. For a 25 year old at the time it was too much to justify without a scholarship which I couldn't secure. I mean $127k before interest is enough for a big down payment on an apartment or even a house. It's not the sort of money a young person can afford to gamble with on a degree

So I waited and applied for masters places last year, and I got a full ride, no tuition fees and I get paid a salary on top as well :blessed:

I also feel that short term it would make me more employable than a PhD. Recruiters are way more likely to give a 29 year old with a master's degree but only limited work experience a go, than they are a 29 year old with a PhD but only limited work experience. You'd be considered over-qualified for graduate positions and under-experienced for senior positions

I strongly considered getting my master's in history but the idea of having student debt, plus keepin it real, the idea of having to spend 4-8 hrs a day in a research library for years......couldnt do it

Plus lot of unis dont value professors like the old days, most just wanna be cheap and hire adjuncts....dont wanna give tenure

:salute: to all my fellow history majors tho, we ouchea
 

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No, not yet. I applied for a doctoral place 2 years ago but it wasn't practical for me. If I went ahead with it I would have had no income and finished with a $96,000 debt in principle with annual indexation pegged to the inflation rate, on top of the $31,000 I already owe for my undergrad. For a 25 year old at the time it was too much to justify without a scholarship which I couldn't secure. I mean $127k before interest is enough for a big down payment on an apartment or even a house. It's not the sort of money a young person can afford to gamble with on a degree

So I waited and applied for masters places last year, and I got a full ride, no tuition fees and I get paid a salary on top as well :blessed:

I also feel that short term it would make me more employable than a PhD. Recruiters are way more likely to give a 29 year old with a master's degree but only limited work experience a go, than they are a 29 year old with a PhD but only limited work experience. You'd be considered over-qualified for graduate positions and under-experienced for senior positions

:salute: to all my fellow history majors tho, we ouchea
:salute:
 

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he basically took on too much
he was already fighting a war on one end and then started another one on the other end,so to speak.
stretched his army paper thin and on top of that his forces couldn't handle the russian winter.
game over
Not to mention Russians basically shooting their citizens if they retreated even 1 foot :pachaha:

Russians dug the fukk in and fought to the bitter end...Nazis weren't expecting that.
 

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People don't realize how evil Germany was. They were heavy into the occult. They were working on space machines and rockets. After the war ended a lot of those scientists and engineers ended up over here in the United States and began what we now call NASA today. We wonder why the United States turned into what it has. When you let the enemy make a home with you, they bring everything with them.
 
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