So all Hitler had to do was not backstab stalin...and london west Europe is his
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Youre still on the advance timeline and not on the slow a methodical approach. If Japan JUST concentrated on the pacific theater they would be fine for a while. Germany heading south to the Middle East gets them all the oil they would ever need until they are ready to head to Africa. The timeline I’m presenting would’ve taken about 30 years of the right moves to even get to just a 1v1 with the US. By then Germany has nukes and the US doesn’t.....
And 3 front ear is what I meant. Japan obviously from the East, Italy teaming up with Germany through the south via Turkey, the Germany vs Russia 1v1 on the west.
Lol at literally moving the goalpost 30 in order to make this fever dream possible.
Take this clown shyt somewhere else...please.
Hitlers team was close to making the nuke, if he had flexed that
Hitler dismissed it as "Jewish" science.
He was not personally supporting the advancement of it in Germany.
Actually, it was Nazi Germany that formally declared war on the US first and the US reciprocated.
German declaration of war against the United States
That said, I wouldn't say the US was "uninterested" in fighting Germany either. By the time of the attack on Pearl Harbor, the US was "neutral" in name only. If anything, the Roosevelt administration wanted to join the European war because the threat Germany presented to the rest of the world had they achieved their goals. But Roosevelt had gotten re-elected to a third term in office in part by promising to keep the US out of the war. Between that, and the isolationist streak in the American public and in Congress at the time, the administration couldn't get fully involved with the European war.
So the US pushed hard against the definition of "neutrality" in order to support the UK. By the time the attack on Pearl Harbor happened, the US was in an undeclared naval war with Germany. In the months before Pearl Harbor, US Navy destroyers helped escort supply ships to the UK and had "shoot on sight" orders for any German U-Boats they came across. One vessel got torpedoed by a U-boat it was stalking, and another was sunk.
Once the attack on Pearl Harbor happened, Hitler saw it was an opening to formally declare war to take on the US (though they weren't obligated to do so since Japan was the aggressor against the US). They were already trading blows in the Atlantic, the US was pretty openly helping the UK, and he figured the US would be distracted dealing with Japan. And by declaring war on the US first, FDR's administration wouldn't have to worry about guiding public opinion or Congress to support a war against Germany.
Unfortunately for Nazi Germany, they overestimated just how much Japan would keep the UK and the US preoccupied in the Pacific and greatly underestimated America's industrial capabilities.
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And nukes. Don't forget nukes.
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Germany lost because of Russia, not Hitler or two fronts war. Germany dedicated 85% of its resources to the eastern front.
The western and southern fronts were basically quiet until 1943. Between 1941 and 1943, it was basically Germany vs the USSR. In 1943, the war was already lost for Germany. The opening of a second front only speeded up the process.
The fear of communism and the humiliation of Versailles were among the main fuel of Hitler taking over.
The western and southern fronts were basically quiet until 1943. Between 1941 and 1943, it was basically Germany vs the USSR. In 1943, the war was already lost for Germany. The opening of a second front only speeded up the process.
The fear of communism and the humiliation of Versailles were among the main fuel of Hitler taking over.
It's historical fiction but I've watched Babylon Berlin and it showed all of that in the cut. No Hitler appearance but it shows Nazis in the background gaining power and influence. It gets to the point where they make a false flag op to frame communists
Had Germany not entered Africa too early, and told Japan to fkn chill for a bit then the US doesn’t enter the war until Germany has all of west Europe on lock. Japan takes over the rest of Asia and Russia then has to fight a 3 front war they can’t win. Germany takes over the entire continent and whatever is left that’s valuable in Africa to then head west to America, I would say there’s a stalemate in that war since America is too tough to defeat if the US is on defense the whole time but that leaves America completely alone as Germany had already taken South America and sits at the Mexican border to wait out an internal collapse as America has no trade partners to buy or sell with.
Canada and Switzerland chill in the cut not dealing with any of this non sense
Agreed.......but How would they EVER have gotten England?
England is an island that isn’t self sufficient. Blockade them and promise the Irish their independence and they’ll tear themselves apart.
The Germans tried that exact thing. Brits were under intense pressure but they managed hold out and then America finally cracked the enigma code and it was over. Germany couldn't stop America from supplying Britain at all anymore after that.
Hitler should have just let England and America cook and settle for conquering mainland Europe. They were shook of him. He had restored German pride by taking France and the smaller countries. Job done. Its like Just chill breh you won.
We are saying the same thing. If he wanted world dominance he could’ve done it just at a much slower pace. Once you have west Europe, take Africa and the Middle East you’ll need Japan to take over the whole East and then go after Russia. Once that’s done head to South America which would be East money and leave Britain and the US last which would be your hardest battles. You isolate both, wait them out for a while, take Britain first, then with the US having zero trade partners and allies wage a holy war that probably lasts 10 years but ultimately the Germans would win it I think (especially if there’s nukes involved).