this thread very enlightening tho.i appreciate this.
wassup wit wartime being ok to rape women back then.like it was the greenlight?
you just answered your own question, its war, most of the rules kind of go out the window
So all Hitler had to do was not backstab stalin...and london west Europe is his
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you just answered your own question, its war, most of the rules kind of go out the window
No thanks. Played COD:WW2
ig88
Bounty Hunter
Yea when the americans got there
There was an entire french army that fought against us in africa and shyt. Nazis took over their government but i never realized how manu collaborators there were. It wasnt a small number of people.
But then I realized germany and france occupy a border that went in both directions depending on the year. So i would understand being french and maybe not having a huge problem with germany taking over.
germans nearly put Russia to sleep, had it not been for the weather they likely would have succeeded and if they had consolidated that position then the west would have been in trouble because Hitler would have had supplies, oil and machinery coming from Russia. France had already folded.
the things that went wrong for Germany were;
Britain's Air Force was better than the Germans and had two of the best fighter aircrafts at the time (hawker hurricane, supermarine spitfire) and the english channel could only be safely crossed in the summer so a ground invasion was out of option. The german Luftwaffe couldn't really compete directly with the british air force (which at this point included volunteer dutch, french, polish and american pilots even before the U.S. officially entered the war) so they started bombing british airfields instead, but british fighter production outstripped their losses, so Goering and Hitler decided to bomb cities to hit their morale, which was dumb because they should have kept bombing the airfields but they didn't and that gave the british an opportunity to reorganize their air force, plus, the summer was gone (no option of ground invasion) and the british had built up their defenses. That's when Hitler started to hit them with the U-boats to cut off their supplies, and it was effective for a while but radar technology ramped up around that time and eventually the u-boats started getting picked off. The british were also keeping Rommel tied up in Africa.
So now he's in a deadlock with the British, his generals warned him not to attack the soviets until they had won in the north african front and taken over British possessions in Libya, which would have afforded them the necessary supplies and oil to then conquer soviet union, while at the same time cutting off important supply to Britain, which would have forced London to sue for peace, but he was impatient because the british were keeping him busy for so long and he said the german people wouldn't have be as supportive of an invasion of the soviet union if they stayed in a deadlock with Britain for much longer. That's when he greenlit Operation Barbarossa
Germans themselves didn't anticipate they would have made such hasty progress in the East, this was partially because Stalin got caught by surprise, so german troops advanced faster than they expected and thus their logistics weren't up to par in regards to supplying the troops that were advancing faster than planned this led to them making progress inland but not actually being able to consolidate positions, which lost them the initiative, and gave pockets of soviet resistance a fighting chance despite being pushed back, which prolonged the fight up until winter (the weather again).
so now he's fighting on 3 fronts, Britain in the West, British Commowealth in North Africa, and Soviet Union in the East, and that's without mentioning him having to babysit the Italian.
and guess what's about to happen around the corner? The Japanese are lurking in Pearl Harbor
weather and trash allies stopped the world from greeting each other with "guten tag" right now
So what it sounds like is Germany did not have the manpower nor resources to win World War II. Even if they did "defeat" Russia they would have been mired in a years long guerrilla warfare campaign with Communist Partisans which would have numbered in the millions while also attempting to stave off a superior British Air Force and Navy and a massively industrialized United States. We also have to consider what constitutes victory in Russia. Most people assume it would have been the taking of Moscow but there was no indication Russia would have surrendered into submission if the Germans did manage to take the capital and the losses to do so would have been incredible. The Russians were always fighting a battle of attrition with the Germans and they were always going to win eventually, even if the Germans managed to take the Caucus oil fields. It just would have prolonged the German war effort but in no way, shape or form guarantee them a victory.
America still would have developed the atomic bomb and instead of dropping them on Japan would have used them on both Germany and Japan as there were plans to use the bomb in the European theatre anyway but by the time it was ready Germany was already on the floor for the ten count. Germany managing to take the Russian oil fields or Moscow would have only made an already bloody conflict much worse given their renewed ability to wage war but they didn't have the tools in place for an ultimate victory. As long as Russia and America are in the picture Germany cannot win the war.
I love this thread. I'm a real history buff & the convo in here is amazing. We need more of these threads
Torrential
LWO
cac made a huge mistake trying to expand into russia. if he never did that england and france would still be owned by germany up until today
Germany never owned England and Russia was the endgame.
Unit 731 - Wikipedia :shakingdamn:
Its gonna get worse.
People are worried that as more of them die off and forget what happened, people will revert to repeating that history...
Watching that Stalin documentary..
Them russians are fukking savage
-The civil war between the red guard/white guard post WORLD WAR 1
-Captured soviets had their families deported/imprisoned/killed...By Stalin
Stalin's son told Germany that Stalin was afraid of the Russian nationlist movement and suggested that the creation of a Russian government hostile to Stalin could pave the way to victory...
Hitler/Goebbels were like "
.....Yea Russians aren't human..they're destined for slavery".
The sheer thought that Hitler believed he could takeover Russia seem idiotic...especially being spread thin To France and then down to Africa.
Them russians are fukking savage
-The civil war between the red guard/white guard post WORLD WAR 1
-Captured soviets had their families deported/imprisoned/killed...By Stalin
Yea Germany caught Stalin's first son(YAKOV) and Stalin took his wife and seperated them from her daughter because it was believed she convinced Yakov to surrender...which ordered by Stalin you weren't supposed to surrender but die.
Stalin's son told Germany that Stalin was afraid of the Russian nationlist movement and suggested that the creation of a Russian government hostile to Stalin could pave the way to victory...
Hitler/Goebbels were like "
.....Yea Russians aren't human..they're destined for slavery".The sheer thought that Hitler believed he could takeover Russia seem idiotic...especially being spread thin To France and then down to Africa.
Sensitive Christian Grey
The Fisher King
Which is funny because WW2 was the beginning of the end for that aspect of warfare
MischievousMonkey
Gor bu dëgër
And these sons of bytches were granted immunity by America in exchange of what they learned
It's the trolls that ruin this wonderful site
But I'm going to bring back the excellence
Fred
The Exchanges
All Star
Britain baited America into ww2.
