So a Frenchman, Latvian & Spaniard Walk Into Bar, Melo Takes All The Shots Offseason NYK Thread

[DPresidential]

get that money THJ

Yea...get that money THJR. #PayTHJ

He's a restricted FA so since Hawks management FAILED to lock him up this summer/preseason the market is gonna set his value. If WOATmore got 4 yrs/70M's then I can easily see THJR exceeding that. He's a nice scorer, good athlete, i think he could be a 18-20 ppg scorer on a regular basis but he's gonna get a big deal and the Hawks are gonna have to make a decision on how much they wanna spend and how bad they wanna keep him.

EDIT: Would be great if we could move WOAT in the offseason too

@Rickdogg44 @#1 pick @Steezy @charmander @Llcoolbay

#PayTHJ

 

[Rickdogg44]

Yea...get that money THJR. #PayTHJ

 

[Francis White]

To tank or not to tank that is the question, Dolan is going to convince the GM to get some vets to make the playoffs and win now. I see Jamal Crawford , Ian Clark or some other talent join a motivational Melo to finish the season with 40 wins . KP gets frustrated and demands a trade to the cavs for JR smith and Shump and the Knicks may make the playoffs with a raging Melo as the leader.

 

[Miles Davis]

Why am I waking up to this dumb shyt?

 

[storyteller]

The Good:
- THJ is a pretty good shooter.
- His defense is improved.
- He's young.

The Bad:
- I hate the sharp shooter talk for a career 35% shooter who hasn't been above 36% from three since his rookie season or made 2+ 3's per game. But he CAN shoot pretty well.
- His defense has improved from awful to just mediocre. So much for looking for defenders, we let one of our best defensive players from last season go over 4.5 million bones and just gave a weak defensive player 17+ per (more money than our best defender makes playing the same position mind you).
- Young is typically good because it means the player can improve past his contract value. Tim Hardaway has to improve to MATCH his contract value. I admit that he might get there but his numbers don't merit this money, his intangibles don't either and if he doesn't step up, he'll be another untradeable albatross.

Rebuilding teams shouldn't be paying premiums for role players. SMFH, this looks like a quick reaction to missing on Waiters. This looks like "maybe those bonehead ideas that kept popping up on the rumor mill during Phil's tenure but never manifested...were coming from the guys left behind after Phil." We need a vet PG, we could use a legitimate interior defensive presence, we need a wing to fill the hole that Melo leaves...what we don't need is an SG. If we were planning on trading Lee all along, why not keep Holiday for 4.5 per instead of lobbing another near 20 million dollar per year payday at a player who has never produced 20 million dollars per year impact?

The real good news is that this is a likely precursor. If they're spending this freely, they have to be confident that they can free up cap space by dealing one or all of Melo, Lee and KOQ. That could mean assets or youth incoming...I'd say should but this is the Knicks and Phil wasn't the only fool in the room apparently. If no moves, we could be looking at Shelvin Mack, THJ, Lance Thomas, KP and Willy as starters....maybe Courtney Lee at SF...regardless, it won't be pretty. It'll be great for the tank but I'll be skipping a lot more games next season with that unit.

 

[RickyGQ]

I look at it like this:

We essentially gave THJR to ATL to develop him for two years away from the dysfunction of NY that would have stunted him.

We brought back a better version of a time prospect we drafted.

He might actually be a part of our future... Maybe not. If he continues to trend positively and blossoms into a legit player, than it's a win.

If he regresses and doesn't, it's a win because it translates into lucrative draft position and locks up salary so we don't sign veteran stars for the sake of win now.

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On the flip, I remember brehs talking about offering KCP a deal which would have been around 17m per year.

KCP is 24 years old.

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With respect to the contract, what is the long term negative consequences of a team in rebuild and knowing that playoffs/chip is out of the conversation for at least 4 years?

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Now, in asking these questions, I'll admit that I made arguments in favor of the Noah contract and I own up to that. I know things could be bad with every decision.

I'm not seeing how this acquisition is anywhere near that considering Noah/Rose were win now and this is seems to be about securing a long term young piece, who, short term, isn't good enough to make us a treadmill team, but long term, could be part of a young nucleus.

I think we could have got KCP for 13 or 14 per. Detroit is cash strapped right now with bad contracts they can't move.

 

[K-ZOE]

So does this mean there's no money for Rondo?
I'm not watching a Shelvin Mack-run team.
This Frank kid better be dumb nice on the low. I'm talking Linsanity level impact. I'm tired of supporting trash basketball.

 

[Miles Davis]

There's the knick hate thread too, people be waiting for us to make any type of move to clown on us

 

[Crown Bearer]

When will this team learn that sometimes the best move is no move at all?

I know some of you brehs are trying to show the positives about this but I can't see it. If Melo is here, we're ass. If he's traded, we're ass, so what good does overpaying THJr do? Like the breh @storyteller said he doesn't fill a need and is a position we already have/had cheaper options at.

 

[RickyGQ]

Lmao, Detroit just got Avery Bradley for Marcus Morris. Kyle O Quinn should have been able to get that done if no picks were involved. Much rather rent Bradley for a year than sign Timmy for all that money.

 

[storyteller]

Someone's gonna drop THJ's post all star break numbers to sell him I suppose...he did look good post all star break but then the playoffs blew that up in my eyes. Just gonna throw that in.

 

[ogc163]

Bad move, it doesn't make sense at all. The bottom of the east will be worse, so it makes sense to go in with young players and let them show and prove while winning around 30 games. Tim doesn't have the two way potential of a KCP so that level of hope in upside is not comparable. This is the type of move people were afraid of, and why I could understand feeling that Phil leaving was bittersweet.

 

[The War Report]

THJr? :timeout:

 

[Frump]

Might not want to look at his playoff numbers their ugly as hell

Which really shows u how good a player is or isn't because playoffs are when teams actually give a sh1t and start heavily scouting u and your weaknesses

 

[DPresidential]

Bad move, it doesn't make sense at all. The bottom of the east will be worse, so it makes sense to go in with young players and let them show and prove while winning around 30 games. Tim doesn't have the two way potential of a KCP so that level of hope in upside is not comparable. This is the type of move people were afraid of, and why I could understand feeling that Phil leaving was bittersweet.

I understand most of what you're saying.

The only thing is, I still don't see how this was the type of move people were afraid of.

I thought we were afraid of vets in their prime or at the end of it being signed as a way to give Melo a last hurrah into glory which would be contradictory to a rebuild.

I was more afraid of Rondo - regardless of whether he'd show Frank any tools of the trade.
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Disclaimer - I'm a layman. I believe DFG% means how well your opponent's FG% was when you were guarding him. Please correct me if I'm wrong in my interpretations of terminology or improtant.

Looking at NBA.com, KCP's DFG% was 45.5 and THJR's was 40.7, overall.

And this is with KCP & THJR averaging a similar amount of shots attempted on them - 8.7 and 8.8, respectively.

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I admit that I'm a "simple fan" who falls in love with my players - I'm not hiding from it.

I just believe the outrage is unwarranted.

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Might not want to look at his playoff numbers their ugly as hell

Which really shows u how good a player is or isn't because playoffs are when teams actually give a sh1t and start heavily scouting u and your weaknesses

This is true.