So 2019 will be 400 years since....

[Everythingg]

ok how do you know these 6 things?
does you knowing them mean they are fact?
what does it mean for you to know something?
are there criteria that should be used in order to define something as knowledge?
or can something be called knowledge for any reason?

I told you what I know about the God that I WORSHIP.

In short, I read the the bible, took a look at the world, and came to a decision. It entailed more than this but thats it in short. And each day I may learn something new that changes something, but I havent seen it yet. Whether I need to prove it to you or call it knowledge or not doesnt matter. I know not all people are going to believe that God exists till they see it. Thats fine I guess.

yes, I can
-a drawing
-a poem
-a note
-an imprint identifier
-kindle
-a paper plane or boat

so on and so on
but how does this show that creator transcends creation? and what do you transcend?

You cant create anything other than what was here before you was my point. All the "creations" (which are really inventions, them putting things that existed before them together) have involved a human putting two and two together. In other words humans have never "Created" anything.

 

[Everythingg]

niccas need to put the bible down and look around at what's happening. that bible wasn't written by ppl like you for ppl like you. 'might be able to relate to some parts but all in all it ain't for us. infact the only time we're there is when we're slaves.
that literature is for middle easterns and for europeans that hijacked it.

i'm not gonna get into a 10 page debate over the bible. i really don't care for it and movements based on it.

Even if what you say isnt true about it being about us. It does say there will be a time of peace. Is that not what you are striving for? Now do you think that peace will come from infiltrating an economy that is on the decline?

 

[tmonster]

I told you what I know about the God that I WORSHIP.

In short, I read the the bible, took a look at the world, and came to a decision. It entailed more than this but thats it in short. And each day I may learn something new that changes something, but I havent seen it yet. Whether I need to prove it to you or call it knowledge or not doesnt matter. I know not all people are going to believe that God exists till they see it. Thats fine I guess.

none of that answers the questions I asked
if you ever feel the desire to answer them, I will be here

You cant create anything other than what was here before you was my point. All the "creations" (which are really inventions, them putting things that existed before them together) have involved a human putting two and two together. In other words humans have never "Created" anything.

essentially you have restated a rudiment of basic physics (the law of conservation of matter), since this accepted scientific dogma since mid 18th century, I had not assumed that this was what you were asking. So yeah I can't create matter, However, I still don't see how this aids in explaining your implicit claim that creator transcends creation, nor what exactly you mean by transcend.

 

[MaLi]

"God helps those who help themselves" (or something like that)

Black Africans in the world can pray and believe all they want. Nothing wrong with that.

But unless we put in real work and stop letting everyone else dictate who and what to believe in, "God" isn't going to save shyt.

 

[Everythingg]

none of that answers the questions I asked

So you say. But Im not going to go back and answer you in the way you would like. If you would like to continue you could respond to what I said or not.

essentially you have restated a rudiment of basic physics (the law of conservation of matter), since this accepted scientific dogma since mid 18th century, I had not assumed that this was what you were asking. So yeah I can't create matter, However, I still don't see how this aids in explaining your implicit claim that creator transcends creation, nor what exactly you mean by transcend.

If you cant create matter how can you do anything better than the One that did?

What do I mean by transcend? Well tell me what you think good and evil is and I will tell you.

 

[Fervid]

breh if youre saying that the abrahamic god is THE god, who created everythinhg, then youre saying that every other god that humans have ever worshipped was a story and a lie. how can you have such audacity?

 

[tmonster]

So you say. But Im not going to go back and answer you in the way you would like. If you would like to continue you could respond to what I said or not.

oh well

If you cant create matter how can you do anything better than the One that did?

this could construed as moving the goal post since I can find no part of this discussion where I proffered that I can anything better than anyone. But even more confusing to me you seem to be expanding on facts not into evidence

What do I mean by transcend? Well tell me what you think good and evil is and I will tell you.

good and evil are objective and subjective ascriptions of society delineating the boundaries of sociopathic and eusocial behaviors

 

[NZA]

If some went to ethiopia, could others have went elsewhere?

Not to mention the sons of Abraham which are even higher in number than the Israelites...

judging by what we know, most of our ancestors were either worshipping the orishas until some white guy or arab guy beat or coerced it out of them

if some old religious concept was applicable to us, it would most likely come from our own beliefs, not those of foreigners.

 

[Everythingg]

this could construed as moving the goal post since I can find no part of this discussion where I proffered that I can anything better than anyone. But even more confusing to me you seem to be expanding on facts not into evidence

You asked why creation cannot exceed the Creator. I said because creation (you, me) cannot create matter. So I didnt mean you specifically but creation.

good and evil are objective and subjective ascriptions of society delineating the boundaries of sociopathic and eusocial behaviors

And you have no definition for what is good and what is evil?

 

[tmonster]

You asked why creation cannot exceed the Creator. I said because creation (you, me) cannot create matter. So I didnt mean you specifically but creation.

I never asked you that
and I never said I was creation

And you have no definition for what is good and what is evil?

my definition of evil and good is subsumed within the core tenets of society's definition, essentially, the things and actions that allow for the most freedom, the most choice and the least personal restriction are good, the things that do the opposite are evil to the varying degrees which they restrict freedom, choice and personal will.

 

[Czar]

- Nobody mentioned Jesus really.

- Ok I know slavery has been going on since before then. But does any match up with what is in Genesis and Deuteronomy?

Yes, the Sephardic and Maghrebi Jews, who aren't remotely close to being black.

Deuteronomy 28:68 says they would be sent back to Egypt on ships. That happened in 70 AD.

Deuteronomy 28:36 says the Israelites and their king would be sent to a nation unknown. This was also fulfilled long before the African Slave trade. If you disagree, consider this. The small Jewish presence in West Africa was the result of the North African Jew traders, who again, weren't black. And they didn't have a King. In fact, the region was hardbody Muslim and local tribe driven during the start of the Slave trade.

And before you start trying to hit me with books like Hebrewisms of West Africa, From Babylon to Timbuktu or the 13th Tribe, I should let you know that I'ma former UPKer. I also did my research after leaving and realized those books are historically inaccurate or just plain taken outta context.

In short, if you believe in the bible, believe in it for the ultimate message, not the one created by misguided brothers, HS dropouts and ex-cons.

 

[Everythingg]

judging by what we know, most of our ancestors were either worshipping the orishas until some white guy or arab guy beat or coerced it out of them

if some old religious concept was applicable to us, it would most likely come from our own beliefs, not those of foreigners.

I dont believe it was beat into them (not talking about Islam/Christianity).

That also doesnt mean they were Hebrews either. But no matter who they were, I dont think what they received was simply for them .

The orishas? Gods of the water, harvest etc...?

 

[Everythingg]

I never asked you that
and I never said I was creation

Ignoring that you have not qualified what "transcending" means nor why a creator must "transcend" their creation

Oh and I never said you said you were creation

my definition of evil and good is subsumed within the core tenets of society's definition, essentially, the things and actions that allow for the most freedom, the most choice and the least personal restriction are good, the things that do the opposite are evil to the varying degrees which they restrict freedom, choice and personal will.

So what would be your example of an evil person?

And all I meant by God transcends good and evil is that the most evil being you could think up and God is capable of being more evil. And vice versa for a being that you think would be most good.

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

Africans were first brought to the US in ships as slaves in (allegedly) 1619. 2019 would make this 400 years that they have been in America. Why is this (400)number important? It may not be but I saw in someone's sig this bible verse....

Genesis 15
13 Then the Lord said to him, “Know for certain that for four hundred years your descendants will be strangers in a country not their own and that they will be enslaved and mistreated there. 14 But I will punish the nation they serve as slaves, and afterward they will come out with great possessions.

Add what is said in Deuteronomy 28 and it seems possible that this could apply to the western blacks in America. Question is does it? When do the tables turn for the downtrodden?

That has NOTHING to do with African slaves and wasn't even a 'prophecy'. It was written when Israel had created a kingdom (actually two kingdoms) in the 10th century BCE, 400 years after Egypt had left the region.​

 

[LionofJudah]

@King-Over-Kingz It appears a Devil has shown up in this thread. Check out my thread here so you can see his devilish ways in action and don't fall prey to it.

http://www.thecoli.com/threads/hebrew-israelite-videos.139449/page-20#post-6267981