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So then tell me about this knowledge
How do you know when you know something?

How do I know God exists? Personal experience. Things you probably wouldnt believe or understand because you werent in my shoes.

This is coming from somebody that used to be an atheist.
 

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Breh, there's no reason why Native Americans were abused and their land stolen, their dignity stepped on and their legacy annihilated other than because Europeans could. Not everything makes sense and happy endings only exist in movies. Chaos is part of the world unfortunately and you're only filling the blanks in the puzzle with your faith.


could not have said it better myself.
 

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Well lets go back to what I said then since we're "on a board having a discussion".
at no time did I leave "what you said"


My original point was that asking "why does evil exist" does nothing to deal with the evil that exists.
Well that is not true at all
Because the approach may need to be curative
For example a schizophrenic who murders because of auditory hallucinations is not necessarily evil although he commits evil acts, understand why he does those acts is crucial to eradicating the behavior.
Now if you want to discuss why it exists we can

Well that would be lovely:whoo:

because as I said its a philosophical questions and those type of questions help one get an understanding about life.
m'k
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But with the answer I gave you, and the question I asked (who cares) directly deal with the Epicurean dilemma.

I sincerely do not see how they do that
you can certainly elaborate if you wish
 

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How do I know God exists? Personal experience. Things you probably wouldnt believe or understand because you werent in my shoes.

This is coming from somebody that used to be an atheist.

so then you would be willing to accept anyone else's personal experience as valid enough for them to not believe in God, correct?
 

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at no time did I leave "what you said"



1. Well that is not true at all
Because the approach may need to be curative
For example a schizophrenic who murders because of auditory hallucinations is not necessarily evil although he commits evil acts, understand why he does those acts is crucial to eradicating the behavior.


2. Well that would be lovely:whoo:


3. m'k
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4. I sincerely do not see how they do that
you can certainly elaborate if you wish

1. Your example is different from what was stated. See I said its like "why does it matter WHY evil exists?" Your example dealt with why he committed evil which would be dealt with during the "dealing with evil" part I stated is more important than why EVIL exists.

2. :dahell:

3. :dahell:

4. I sincerely think you're playing hard headed. But if you're not, go back and read my questions in relation to the dilemma, respond to those, and then we'll start from there.
 

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1. Your example is different from what was stated. See I said its like "why does it matter WHY evil exists?" Your example dealt with why he committed evil which would be dealt with during the "dealing with evil" part I stated is more important than why EVIL exists.

2. :dahell:

3. :dahell:

4. I sincerely think you're playing hard headed. But if you're not, go back and read my questions in relation to the dilemma, respond to those, and then we'll start from there.
1. it matters only if you know something about god
but you know nothing about god by your own admission
this makes the question of evil moot since you don't even f god is evil or good
 

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1. it matters only if you know something about god
but you know nothing about god by your own admission
this makes the question of evil moot since you don't even f god is evil or good

1. Since God would have had to of ultimately created both GOOD and EVIL, why would He not transcend both?
 

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:yeshrug:i don't know y we had to go in on the OP.. We can just ignore all the religion talk for now--- for some of us, that shyt helps, for most it hurts.

I think that we've made progress considering all of the fukk shyt we've been through...
We've just started working on the mental community trauma and we been chipping away at the self hate for some decades now.

We live in the land of our oppressors and amongst the same people who would be hanging us if this were 40 years ago... so we just need to know.... With health, money, group economy and education - this is war.

There are enough 30 year olds and up n coming 20's that are working on shyt now.... we'll be aight.
 

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1. Since God would have had to of ultimately created both GOOD and EVIL, why would He not transcend both?

pause breh...you already said you don't know anything about god except that he exists, are you now saying that know that he created good and evil? and that you also know that this must imply he transcends good and evil? are you now changing your previous answer? (which is fine btw) and is there anything else you want to add to the list of thing you know about the god you believe in?
 
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:yeshrug:i don't know y we had to go in on the OP..
:what:
A vibrant debate is not "going in" on anyone and in fact, not engaging in such debates on a site called the coliseum and dedicated to nothing but debate is intellectually dishonest and cowardly
We can just ignore all the religion talk for now---

:patrice:well you know...that would kind of flush the OP's thread down the toilet, cuz the logic of his original post relies on the central dogma of judeo-christian religion, ie one must believe the words in the bible are true

for some of us, that shyt helps, for most it hurts.

giving birth can be painful but we like the behbehs, so....:yeshrug:

but the pain of of these discussions is really about cognitive dissonance and identity shedding, which all can be relieved if one has the right diagnosis and is willing to go through the pain of debate:damn: and the facing of the truth:ohhh:

the reward is peace of heart:ahh:
 
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