So 2019 will be 400 years since....

[Everythingg]

ok...interesting question
We could check if there are there other people in history who have been wiped out never to exact revenge?

here is one example
Moriori Genocide

The Maori are the indigenous Polynesian people of New Zealand. They have dwelled in the area for some eight hundred years. About five hundred years ago, a group of Maori migrated to the nearby Chatham Islands, where they began their own society that focused on peaceful living. They called themselves the Moriori.

The remaining, warlike Maori tribes soon came into contact with Americans and Europeans, and while initial meetings sometimes ended in cannibalization of the foreigners, the Maoris highly valued Western guns—so trade flourished. Beginning in 1835, the now well-armed Maori arrived at the Chatham Islands, where they proceeded to murder and devour their defenseless cousins. Those who survived were enslaved, and forced to intermarry with the Maori. In less than thirty years from the moment of contact, there were only 101 Moriori left. The last pure-blooded Moriori died in 1933.

source
http://listverse.com/2013/05/03/10-atrocious-genocides-in-human-history/


I am confident the archives of history are strewn about with exterminated and forgotten races, tribes or peoples.
Life...It's not like the movies, there are no guaranteed happy endings.

Yep. Some groups of people get removed from the face of the earth. I didnt say there HAD to be a happy ending. Just that I dont believe that these things happened to Native Americans and blacks and that they will just be under the hands and control of their initial oppressors forever. Which is why they each still have their communities in the land that oppressed their ancestors.

Take a look at the the independence movements that happened in places like Ethiopa (?) or Haiti for 2 examples

 

[Everythingg]

If you have to wait for a set date in the future for a supposedly "change" or anything for that matter, you are only hurting yourself and holding yourself back.

The future is now.

As I asked someone in this thread before, can you highlight the part of the post that shows where I set a future date for people to take action? Like me saying "in 2019 we should begin action".... Or anything of the sort?

 

[Jone2three45]

As I asked someone in this thread before, can you highlight the part of the post that shows where I set a future date for people to take action? Like me saying "in 2019 we should begin action".... Or anything of the sort?

Brother, that was a general statement I made.

 

[Everythingg]

Oddly, in order to believe in a benevolent and omnipotent god, you have to think exactly the way you do. There has to be an explanation for misery otherwise you would be stuck in the Epicurean dilemma (see below)

Who cares?

The 2 questions that need to be asked is does God exist and how we deal with the evil we see. Asking "why does evil exist" is a philosophical question that does nothing to alleviate the pain of evil.

 

[Everythingg]

Brother, that was a general statement I made.

Gotcha and I agree with your general statement

 

[Jone2three45]

Gotcha and I agree with your general statement

Respect.

 

[tmonster]

Yep. Some groups of people get removed from the face of the earth. I didnt say there HAD to be a happy ending. Just that I dont believe that these things happened to Native Americans and blacks

what don't you believe happened to them?

and that they will just be under the hands and control of their initial oppressors forever.

that is not really what you originally claimed, what you originally proffered was that there had to be a reason why oppression occurs and oppression (especially really harsh oppression) must imply a manifest destiny that leads to justice for the oppressed, basically a "just world" perspective (see below)

You had said:
You mean to tell me the Native Americans had their lands stolen for no reason to never recover or recoup what was lost? You're telling me that blacks in America went thru 400 years of oppression, and Africans probably even more to never recoup or recover?

My response showed an example where this does not happen

Which is why they each still have their communities in the land that oppressed their ancestors.

I don't understand what you are saying here and I don't want to assume, so clarify if you wish

Take a look at the the independence movements that happened in places like Ethiopa (?) or Haiti for 2 examples

I have looked at them, i don't see the connection you are attempting to make, please clarify if you wish

 

[tmonster]

Who cares?

The 2 questions that need to be asked is does God exist and how we deal with the evil we see. Asking "why does evil exist" is a philosophical question that does nothing to alleviate the pain of evil.

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Ok
you don't care to understand why evil exists?



I'm gonna need a moment

 

[tmonster]

Who cares?

The 2 questions that need to be asked is does God exist and how we deal with the evil we see. Asking "why does evil exist" is a philosophical question that does nothing to alleviate the pain of evil.

ok
let's try it this way
let's say God exists
you have already told us that you believe this
may I ask you a question...
can you please tell me what you know about this God?
you can start with the top 5 most significant things you know about this God.
I will wait

 

[Everythingg]

what don't you believe happened to them?



that is not really what you originally claimed, what you originally proffered was that there had to be a reason why oppression occurs and oppression (especially really harsh oppression) must imply a manifest destiny that leads to justice for the oppressed, basically a "just world" perspective (see below)


My response showed an example where this does not happen

Dont split up the comments. I said I dont believe that these things happened to them and that they were left standing (often in their own communities) for no reason. I also never said that everyone had to have an happy ending.

Btw the thing is time passed between the first claim and what I expounded on. So why hold me to my "first claim" what I expounded on what I felt and meant by then? Theres no reason to. Of course no one that has been wiped off the face of the earth can make a comeback. But if they havent, and have been left in good enough standing to make that comeback then.....

I don't understand what you are saying here and I don't want to assume, so clarify if you wish

Through all the atrocities they went thru, both Native Americans and blacks have communities in which they exist. They were not like that Maori tribe that was wiped off the face of the earth. Thus they have a great opportunity (if they work together in connection with other downtrodden minorities such as hispanics) to regain some of their lost glory so to say.

I have looked at them, i don't see the connection you are attempting to make, please clarify if you wish

Some slaves fight for their independence in Haiti? You dont see any significance in that type of victory in comparison with black/Native Americans fighting for their own rights and/or independence with much more going for them?

 

[Everythingg]

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Ok
you don't care to understand why evil exists?



I'm gonna need a moment

My homie is robbing your sister. Does contemplating "why is this happening" stop it from happening? Thats what I meant by "who cares". Not who cares about the evil exists. But who cares WHY it exists. What we have to do is deal with the evil that does exist and do our best to overcome it. Is this not the opinion you hold? Or do you think that somehow contemplating why it exists somehow takes care of it?

 

[Everythingg]

ok
let's try it this way
let's say God exists
you have already told us that you believe this
may I ask you a question...
can you please tell me what you know about this God?
you can start with the top 5 most significant things you know about this God.
I will wait

Theres one thing I know, and that is that God exists. Everything else after that is belief..

Do you want to hear 4 beliefs?

 

[tmonster]

My homie is robbing your sister. Does contemplating "why is this happening" stop it from happening? Thats what I meant by "who cares". Not who cares about the evil exists. But who cares WHY it exists. What we have to do is deal with the evil that does exist and do our best to overcome it. Is this not the opinion you hold? Or do you think that somehow contemplating why it exists somehow takes care of it?

The situation is different
we are on a board having a discussion

 

[tmonster]

Theres one thing I know, and that is that God exists. Everything else after that is belief..

Do you want to hear 4 beliefs?

So then tell me about this knowledge
How do you know when you know something?

 

[Everythingg]

The situation is different
we are on a board having a discussion

Well lets go back to what I said then since we're "on a board having a discussion".

Asking "why does evil exist" is a philosophical question that does nothing to alleviate the pain of evil.

My original point was that asking "why does evil exist" does nothing to deal with the evil that exists. Now if you want to discuss why it exists we can because as I said its a philosophical questions and those type of questions help one get an understanding about life. But with the answer I gave you, and the question I asked (who cares) directly deal with the Epicurean dilemma.