Snoop Dogg & Dr. Dre - Missionary (Offical Album Thread)

[MINT]

These beats are wack. It's not that I don't like them, naa, its just bad wtf is Dre doing here

 

[MINT]

Album is getting mixed reviews from professional publications. I'm not surprised, but even a mixed review seems a bit generous for this crap.

 

[Tommy Gibbs]

I don't buy that Dre can't travel back in time. Yes, I don't expect him to sound like old Dre because his voice is done but production wise you can definitely go back and make a g-funk era style album that sounds modernized...

Kendrick just made a classic west coast album that sounds modern. It can be done.

the difference is that Kendrick is catering to a younger audience(though he's almost 40). Nothing about Kendrick's last album relates to the G funk era. Absolutely nothing!! It's inspired by trap/hyphy music. And that's the problem with hip hop today. If you aren't doing trap music, you're placed in a box that you've got to replicate your best album. Why people want to see 40-60 year old men doing trap music is beyond my knowledge.

Don't forget, some people were bashing 2001 as well when it dropped in 1999 because they wanted another Chronic. We all know what people said about Nas' It was Written and even EPMD got fukked up by some critics for Business Never Personal, and I believe that is one of their top 2 albums. Everybody aint gonna like your shyt. I say I just drop it and hope half of your fanbase accepts it. We are living in the 2 week era of music. Your album drops, people talk about for 2 weeks and move on to the next FREE album. Cuz 99.99999% of people aint paying for shyt. That .00001 % that still buy vinyl and cds aren't a factor in what's hot.

 

[TheDarceKnight]

I don't buy that Dre can't travel back in time. Yes, I don't expect him to sound like old Dre because his voice is done but production wise you can definitely go back and make a g-funk era style album that sounds modernized...

Kendrick just made a classic west coast album that sounds modern. It can be done.

To me it's like...fukk, is this really the kind of music that Dre wants to be making? I wanna hear Dre make the type of shyt that he WANTS to make. If this is truly it?? Then so be it. Good for him, I guess.

One of the last times where it really felt to me like Dre was locked in and making shyt he wanted to make, and not overly catering to what he thought fans wanted to hear, was on Relapse. As much as some people dislike that album, I respect that Dre and Em locked in and got super creative and were obviously having fun.

I just don't hear a lot of soul or funk on this album, and Dre's production always had that.

 

[Tommy Gibbs]

Kendrick already paved the way with TPAB. Alot of that album sounded like modern day g funk.

Quik had been making TPAB-type albums for years and years that went unnoticed. Especially Rhythmalism (that obviously inspired King Kunte). Kendrick dropped TPAB during this trap era(that has lasted for damn near 15 years) and people act like it was the first west cost album of its kind with live instrumentation and dope rapping. Yes Quik has a discography filled with these type of hot ass albums that Kendrick fans and current journalists never knew existed. And then I become the villain/bad guy for pointing out the obvious. And this is in no way a knock on Kendrick at all, but the internet has giving a voice to a population that doesn't think anything exists prior to what they like.

 

[Overpss]

Quik had been making TPAB-type albums for years and years that went unnoticed. Especially Rhythmalism (that obviously inspired King Kunte). Kendrick dropped TPAB during this trap era(that has lasted for damn near 15 years) and people act like it was the first west cost album of its kind with live instrumentation and dope rapping. Yes Quik has a discography filled with these type of hot ass albums that Kendrick fans and current journalists never knew existed. And then I become the villain/bad guy for pointing out the obvious. And this is in no way a knock on Kendrick at all, but the internet has giving a voice to a population that doesn't think anything exists prior to what they like.

Everybody knows these Quik albums, but as much as I love Quik, all his albums have massive musical flaws, that modern musicians and artists have been avoided. Music isn't just rapping or singing over random live instrumentation that may sounds good to an individual's ears.

I guess you can give Quik credits for trying first, but it is what it is, the first dudes always make the mistakes and the ones that follow learn from these mistakes.

 

[Tommy Gibbs]

Everybody knows these Quik albums, but as much as I love Quik, all his albums have massive musical flaws, that modern musicians and artists have been avoided. Music isn't just rapping or singing over random live instrumentation that may sounds good to an individual's ears.

I guess you can give Quik credits for trying first, but it is what it is, the first dudes always make the mistakes and the ones that follow learn from these mistakes.

Bullshyt, everyone doesn't know them. And what are these musical flaws you speak of??

 

[Overpss]

and these mistakes are???

I can name plenty of them: bad syncopation on at least half of the songs, alt keys not being used properly, basic normal triadic (3-note) chords that miss notes all over the album,,...a trained ear ain't gonna miss that.
Last time I gave his catalog a listen, I was shocked by all the musical misteps he made...still love his shyt though.

 

[Overpss]

And for the record, tpab was barely influenced by Quik music, except for 1 song. The rest is more Herbie Hancock-ish fused with hip-hop. Kendrick went the T.L.M. and black rock route.

 

[tehparadox]

Album is getting mixed reviews from professional publications. I'm not surprised, but even a mixed review seems a bit generous for this crap.

I mean Dre's hasn't been able to make decent music for like 20 years, not sure what people were expecting lol

 

[Tommy Gibbs]

I can name plenty of them: bad syncopation on at least half of the songs, alt keys not being used properly, basic normal triadic (3-note) chords that miss notes all over the album,,...a trained ear ain't gonna miss that.
Last time I gave his catalog a listen, I was shocked by all the musical misteps he made...still love his shyt though.

I can point out things on Robert Glasper's christmas album like that about the timing being off with the drums, but that's a part of music that only musicians know. The average fan can't tell the difference between an F# and a D flat. If you listen to Enter the 36 chambers, hardly any of that is right, but it's a classic flawless album. Questlove always disses 36 chambers and Cuban Linx because he's a musician and that's funny considering the Roots has never made any albums that come close to those 2.

 

[Overpss]

I can point out things on Robert Glasper's christmas album like that about the timing being off with the drums, but that's a part of music that only musicians know. The average fan can't tell the difference between an F# and a D flat. If you listen to Enter the 36 chambers, hardly any of that is right, but it's a classic flawless album. Questlove always disses 36 chambers and Cuban Linx because he's a musician and that's funny considering the Roots has never made any albums that come close to those 2.

that timing being off is actually a musical technique so I wouldn't call that a flaw tbh.
Yeah I don't know, for me The Roots have some of the best albums ever, (Undun IMO has more merits than 36 chambers), but their albums are just not as influential.
Influence is almost always taken into consideration when making an all-time list...thats why Straight Outta Compton is often ranked very high when shyt is just a compilation of rapping over some beats.

 

[CHICAGO]

AFTER THE SECOND LISTEN
I LIKE THE STING TRACK
IT JUST CAUGHT ME OFF GUARD
THE FIRST TIME AROUND.

ALBUM HAS NO SKIPPABLES.

GREAT RAPPING, DOPE PRODUCTION
AND SONICALLY MASTERFUL


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[Revolutionary]

You know Dre lost his touch when the sonic & music experience is wack.

There's like 10 skips on this record lol.

And only 1 good beat.

 

[Phantom Dreamer]

I can point out things on Robert Glasper's christmas album like that about the timing being off with the drums, but that's a part of music that only musicians know. The average fan can't tell the difference between an F# and a D flat. If you listen to Enter the 36 chambers, hardly any of that is right, but it's a classic flawless album. Questlove always disses 36 chambers and Cuban Linx because he's a musician and that's funny considering the Roots has never made any albums that come close to those 2.

link?

dude been a snob but this seems off-brand even for him.

i could see him nit-picking/trying to show off over some bullshyt like a kick not being in tune or whatever, but to disrespect those albums overall