Small Business Owners Explain Why France Is A Nation In Decline

[Gallo]

Let me tell you, I've been to France a few times...it is paradise. Great economy or shytty economy, that place is beautiful. Only country I would describe as beautiful. Every Frenchy I know has a shytty job and wants to leave though lol.

 

[JahFocus CS]

@ people going to bat in this thread for the rich when they won't even say anything to defend their own class.

 

[Cynic]

Where would it be? I mean if you are from America I just mentioned two countries that would be soft landing from Westerners (Mauritius and SA) then you expand. One thing I don't get about certain people's sense or non sense of adventure is that most of the nations that they are residents or citizens of where built on adventure into uncharted territories. America was "founded" by an Italian explorer who didn't where the hell he was going to. The pilgrims escaped from the monarchy in Europe to come to a place where individuals (Native Americans) had their own culture and land and basically took over, imported people from a land where they have never been to do the labor. All the European countries had explorers navigate the rest of the world to find colonies in order to propel them to different economic status as a nation.

Working to death is the mantra of America except you have to do it for your own success and business or else. You work yourself to death in America to have your wages stagnate for the past how many years and your country's largest employer is a hypermart store Walmart that does not have the best reputation in terms of its workers' wages, or health coverage.

Going into business is a risky adventure within itself. Why choose to conduct it in regions where there's high risk due to government meddling and severe corruption? Your investment will never be safe or guaranteed


Working to death is not the mantra of a savvy entrepreneur. Maximum money with minimum effort for the win.
I'm all about individual advancement not this collective agenda.... Africans have major tribal issues as well

 

[lenfantdelacapitale]

Going into business is a risky adventure within itself. Why choose to conduct it in regions where there's high risk due to government meddling and severe corruption? Your investment will never be safe or guaranteed


Working to death is not the mantra of a savvy entrepreneur. Maximum money with minimum effort for the win.
I'm all about individual advancement not this collective agenda.... Africans have major tribal issues as well

You are painting Africa with a broad brush it is a continent with 54 countries and 1.2 billion people. I am in Nairobi right now which is a hub from entrepreneurs from all over the world with the highest returns in the world in real estate. Africa is a continent with the highest returns anywhere in the world and those who get in early when it is not attractive to most uninformed people will reap the benefits later on the road. Have you been to any African country? or do you get your news from TV? The continent has had its share of problems like "tribal" which is so cliche for westerners to throw around but things are are improving big time and I am seeing it with my own eyes. You are all about individual advancement huh? tell me a group of people who have gotten far in history with individual advancement in terms of wealth creation. You don't know what the hell you are talking about.

The continent is SO corrupt and not worth the risk that's why Chinese business owners are here in order in efforts to surpass America and African is such a hell hole and basket case and all heads of states were invited to white house for the US-Africa Summit last summer. Being entrepreneurs is all about taking risks you think the robber barons Carnegie Rockefeller etc played it safe and were asking their money when America was as stable and established power that it is today?

 

[methodz]

I was in Paris for a couple days about a year or so ago, anytime I got to talk with people all they did was complain about how life isn't what it seems in France and how hard it is to get jobs etc...Man, the Euro zone, except for Germany is headed for some miserable time for the past part and that's if it ain't already strugglin'

 

[Cynic]

You are painting Africa with a broad brush it is a continent with 54 countries and 1.2 billion people. I am in Nairobi right now which is a hub from entrepreneurs from all over the world with the highest returns in the world in real estate. Africa is a continent with the highest returns anywhere in the world and those who get in early when it is not attractive to most uninformed people will reap the benefits later on the road. Have you been to any African country? or do you get your news from TV? The continent has had its share of problems like "tribal" which is so cliche for westerners to throw around but things are are improving big time and I am seeing it with my own eyes. You are all about individual advancement huh? tell me a group of people who have gotten far in history with individual advancement. You don't know what the hell you are talking about.

Don't start this westerner bullsh!t... My dad is half south african/cuban and I hold two african passports along with two western ones....
I can even understand Zulu siNdebele, Xhosa and a little Shona.... along with Spanish
Africans are tribal as fukk..... Rwanda anyone? Igbo/Yorubas/Hausas all berate each other....
A lot of political leaders are out to enrich themselves and their military cronies at will.......
They are all about individual advancement not the collective......


I'm an capitalist everything I do is to enrich myself or enrich others with a similar mindset ....


Africa has resources in terms of cheap labor, land and raw materials but it lacks infrastructure and technology to fully harness this
Ghana, Kenya and South Africa are viable for me( in the future ) ..... i'll look into other economies later

 

[lenfantdelacapitale]

Don't start this westerner bullsh!t... My dad is half south african/cuban and I hold two african passports along with two western ones....
I can even understand Zulu siNdebele, Xhosa and a little Shona.... along with Spanish
Africans are tribal as fukk..... Rwanda anyone? Igbo/Yorubas/Hausas all berate each other....
A lot of political leaders are out to enrich themselves and their military cronies at will.......
They are all about individual advancement not the collective......


I'm an capitalist everything I do is to enrich myself or enrich others with a similar mindset ....


Africa has resources in terms of cheap labor, land and raw materials but it lacks infrastructure and technology to fully harness this
Ghana, Kenya and South Africa are viable for me( in the future ) ..... i'll look into other economies later

Rwanda was 20 years ago. You being South African doesn't mean shyt, that "Africa is tribal so keep away for business" is getting old. Chinese and Lebanese are here right? So it can't be that bad. Unless you ain't ready to struggle then don't come around let us do our thing and watch us be wealthy beyond belief in 10 yrs max.

 

[Cynic]

Rwanda was 20 years ago. You being South African doesn't mean shyt, that "Africa is tribal so keep away for business" is getting old. Chinese and Lebanese are here right? So it can't be that bad. Unless you ain't ready to struggle then don't come around let us do our thing and watch us be wealthy beyond belief in 10 yrs max.

It debunked your whole "westerner angle"......that was your trump card ...your ace.....sorry buddy :usherlol:

Tribalism is not old.... it's prevalent today with people and in politics and that could affect business:sadbabybreh:


Chinese being in Africa giving it's own workers jobs for infastructure projects and shipping sh!tty products is not a good thing.....

I just told you the 3 countries I'd consider doing business in......I know the value but I also know the risks and ROI isn't there yet (for me)

I like simplicity and ease ........not "struggle" .... If I can make money with less effort in the West why bother with Africa right now?

By "us"..... you better mean you, yourself as an individual..... and put a number on it ( what's "wealthy" by your african standards )

 

[CHL]

werent they even trying to tax people making 7 figures 75%?

Im a little scared this country is going to go in that direction.
That system sounds like a good deal for people who either dont believe in themselves/the possibility of success, or dont want to try anything.
We have a lot of that here (just read this forum).

Hahahhaha

 

[lenfantdelacapitale]

It debunked your whole "westerner angle"......that was your trump card ...your ace.....sorry buddy :usherlol:

Tribalism is not old.... it's prevalent today with people and in politics and that could affect business:sadbabybreh:


Chinese being in Africa giving it's own workers jobs for infastructure projects and shipping sh!tty products is not a good thing.....

I just told you the 3 countries I'd consider doing business in......I know the value but I also know the risks and ROI isn't there yet (for me)

I like simplicity and ease ........not "struggle" .... If I can make money with less effort in the West why bother with Africa right now?

By "us"..... you better mean you, yourself as an individual..... and put a number on it ( what's "wealthy" by your african standards )

- Not it was not my trump card. It is the same rhetoric I grew up with and I went to school with Africans in the US who rather complain about how their continent is shytty and all of its problems and when you ask them what are you going to do about it? Crickets. You don't have to be a Westerner to think like one or buy into to Western propaganda. you should know that.

- Simplicity and ease and you expect to be wealthy unless you are born into it. If being a good entrepreneur is easy than everybody would be doing it instead of the majority of the people in this world working for an entrepreneur.

- By us I mean the people in my current circle come from a privileged situation having gone to some of the best colleges and graduate schools US, UK and having acquired some working experience in that part of the world now going back to apply it in Africa and that also includes local go getters and entrepreneurs. That's what I mean by "us" there tons of "us" in Nairobi, Lagos etc ...

- Western goods are more expensive in Africa than in the West. An Iphone costs more in SA, Nigeria or Kenya then it does in America or Europe along with other consumer goods like luxury cars. If you can afford it without breaking a sweat in Africa then you are even wealthy by Western standards.

What about Lebanese or Indians or Portuguese in South Africa ?

 

[Cynic]

- Not it was not my trump card. It is the same rhetoric I grew up with and I went to school with Africans in the US who rather complain about how their continent is shytty and all of its problems and when you ask them what are you going to do about it? Crickets. You don't have to be a Westerner to think like one or buy into to Western propaganda. you should know that.

- Simplicity and ease and you expect to be wealthy unless you are born into it. If being a good entrepreneur is easy than everybody would be doing it instead of the majority of the people in this world working for an entrepreneur.

- By us I mean the people in my current circle come from a privileged situation having gone to some of the best colleges and graduate schools US, UK and having acquired some working experience in that part of the world now going back to apply it in Africa and that also includes local go getters and entrepreneurs. That's what I mean by "us" there tons of "us" in Nairobi, Lagos etc ...

- Western goods are more expensive in Africa than in the West. An Iphone costs more in SA, Nigeria or Kenya then it does in America or Europe along with other consumer goods like luxury cars. If you can afford it without breaking a sweat in Africa then you are even wealthy by Western standards.

What about Lebanese or Indians or Portuguese in South Africa ?

Don't fron't...you were ready to chuck a million spears had I said I've never been to Africa....
I don't complain. I don't even focus on things I can't change. I'm not in politics and have no interest in doing so
As an individual you can't sway a collective with internal fighting....look at how you were ready to jump all over me as a "westerner"

- Simplicity and ease for me here in the West is structuring deals in real estate, acquiring businesses and tapping into my investor list for loan syndications and things of that nature. I can't do this in Africa......
I have no interest in getting into mass market/retail businesses .... and b2b there would be an uphill "struggle"
I can make 10 million here much, much, much, quicker and less involved than I would in Africa ....

- Ahhh here we go with this good old fashioned African academic prowess braggadoccio .... like I said quantify it. How wealthy will y'all get in 10 years max ? Put a figure on it........

- That's more to do with the size of the market.... these are high end items that even the middle class there can't afford. Having an iphone doesn't make you wealthy here neither does have a luxury car...at least not by my standards but that's another issue......

I love how you overlook the positives of Africa I mentioned as well though.......

 

[50CentStan]

I was in Paris for a couple days about a year or so ago, anytime I got to talk with people all they did was complain about how life isn't what it seems in France and how hard it is to get jobs etc...Man, the Euro zone, except for Germany is headed for some miserable time for the past part and that's if it ain't already strugglin'

yep, Europe is headed downt he sh*tter, lets hope they dont take us with them.