Small Business Owners Explain Why France Is A Nation In Decline

[lenfantdelacapitale]

Yes. I have been to Africa.Working yourself to death is right of passage but one I'm not endeavoring to complete it. Yes, failure is part of life and in theory I could return home(granted I'm financially capable and or alive). Individuals are very different than multi nationals I shouldn't have to explain or expand that and considering you're not from America I can only assume you don't believe corporations are people too, friend. I'm an entrepreneur, I have small businesses that I will expand overseas in my life. I don't only feel this way about Africa, I feel the same way about several countries in the Caribbean that I have a connection to and many other regions and countries around the world. There are countries even in the EU you couldn't pay me to live and work in. Cool, but if you're a Nigerian returning home or perhaps elsewhere you already have an incredible leg up wouldn't you say? If you could start a business in any country in Africa where would it be and how much would it require? Also what are foreseen issues that you would run into? If you're from Arica maybe you could share some positive and negative experiences(granted you're apart of this agenda that you feel others should undertake)? It's an admirable idea.

Where would it be? I mean if you are from America I just mentioned two countries that would be soft landing from Westerners (Mauritius and SA) then you expand. One thing I don't get about certain people's sense or non sense of adventure is that most of the nations that they are residents or citizens of where built on adventure into uncharted territories. America was "founded" by an Italian explorer who didn't where the hell he was going to. The pilgrims escaped from the monarchy in Europe to come to a place where individuals (Native Americans) had their own culture and land and basically took over, imported people from a land where they have never been to do the labor. All the European countries had explorers navigate the rest of the world to find colonies in order to propel them to different economic status as a nation.

Working to death is the mantra of America except you have to do it for your own success and business or else. You work yourself to death in America to have your wages stagnate for the past how many years and your country's largest employer is a hypermart store Walmart that does not have the best reputation in terms of its workers' wages, or health coverage.

 

[88m3]

Where would it be? I mean if you are from America I just mentioned two countries that would be soft landing from Westerners (Mauritius and SA) then you expand. One thing I don't get about certain people's sense or non sense of adventure is that most of the nations that they are residents or citizens of where built on adventure into uncharted territories. America was "founded" by an Italian explorer who didn't where the hell he was going to. The pilgrims escaped from the monarchy in Europe to come to a place where individuals (Native Americans) had their own culture and land and basically took over, imported people from a land where they have never been to do the labor. All the European countries had explorers navigate the rest of the world to find colonies in order to propel them to different economic status as a nation.

Working to death is the mantra of America except you have to do it for your own success and business or else. You work yourself to death in America to have your wages stagnate for the past how many years and your country's largest employer is a hypermart store Walmart that does not have the best reputation in terms of its workers' wages, or health coverage.

You seem hell bent on generalizing Americans.

I couldn't be further from what you feel like emphasizing about American society.

 

[SkillClash]

Where would it be? I mean if you are from America I just mentioned two countries that would be soft landing from Westerners (Mauritius and SA) then you expand. One thing I don't get about certain people's sense or non sense of adventure is that most of the nations that they are residents or citizens of where built on adventure into uncharted territories. America was "founded" by an Italian explorer who didn't where the hell he was going to. The pilgrims escaped from the monarchy in Europe to come to a place where individuals (Native Americans) had their own culture and land and basically took over, imported people from a land where they have never been to do the labor. All the European countries had explorers navigate the rest of the world to find colonies in order to propel them to different economic status as a nation.

Working to death is the mantra of America except you have to do it for your own success and business or else. You work yourself to death in America to have your wages stagnate for the past how many years and your country's largest employer is a hypermart store Walmart that does not have the best reputation in terms of its workers' wages, or health coverage.

stop demonizing the west....europe has made some of the greatest scientific achievements during the scientific revolution/enlightenment


isaac newton, gallileo, lavoiser etc.

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

which are paid for by?

Bueller? Bueller? Bueller?!

Cuts to military spending (and downsizing the military in general)
Closing the huge gap between federal & private employee pay/benefits for the same jobs
Reconfiguring govt programs (i.e. enabling employers to enroll all employees into Medicare/Medicaid at costs lower than market rates enabled by large central administration, negotiation and huge risk pool)

Etc

Govt wastes a lot of money... we can do a lot if we stop doing that and digging in other people's pockets

We could tax people like you at 100%... it wouldn't mean shyt if all that money just got funneled back to corporations and the military

 

[lenfantdelacapitale]

You seem hell bent on generalizing Americans.

I couldn't be further from what you feel like emphasizing about American society.

I spent my post-graduate studies in the States (4.5 years) in the northeast of the country and traveled throughout the rest. Most of the population doesn't have a passport and they couldn't even name the capital of their own state. The majority of Americans don't know about the rest of the world because they haven't had the need to do so but other people have had to have a global view of things because our native countries were not for the most part in the position of power therefore a lot of us left to either seek an education or a living elsewhere but we also understand that everything comes in cycles and we could be an asset and others who were interested can contribute to the development of our countries

 

[SkillClash]

I spent my post-graduate studies in the States (4.5 years) in the northeast of the country and traveled throughout the rest. Most of the population doesn't have a passport and they couldn't even name the capital of their own state. The majority of Americans don't know about the rest of the world because they haven't had the need to do so but other people have had to have a global view of things because our native countries were not for the most part in the position of power therefore a lot of us left to either seek an education or a living elsewhere but we also understand that everything comes in cycles and we could be an asset and others who were interested can contribute to the development of our countries

Karl Marx was wrong

 

[JahFocus CS]

Thanks Karl

You're quite welcome.

 

[mbewane]

The disadvantage of incomplete education/information is that people think they know how stuff works, but actually don't. The left has been screaming about taxes, but anytime I press anybody about it they turn out to not know what the fukk they are talking about.

Of all the problems poor people are facing, how is "taxes on the rich not being enough" at the top of the list over shyt like housing, education, healthcare etc.

Breh, I'm guess you're speak from a US standpoint, I'm actually in France. So yes, people are informed because, again, cheap education and variety of information sources (such as public TV).

Here, everyday people DO list housing, jobs etc as their main problems. That doesn't stop them (us) of having enough info to understand issues at the macro-level. Don't assume that everyone is as uninformed as people you speak to.

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

Breh, I'm guess you're speak from a US standpoint, I'm actually in France. So yes, people are informed because, again, cheap education and variety of information sources (such as public TV).

Here, everyday people DO list housing, jobs etc as their main problems. That doesn't stop them (us) of having enough info to understand issues at the macro-level. Don't assume that everyone is as uninformed as people you speak to.

If they are so informed why do they keep insisting on pursuing the wrong solution

High taxes are already killing the French economy and driving rich folks and their money out of the country.... why triple down on a strategy that has already proven to not work?

 

[mbewane]

If they are so informed why do they keep insisting on pursuing the wrong solution

High taxes are already killing the French economy and driving rich folks and their money out of the country.... why triple down on a strategy that has already proven to not work?

First of all, as I stated in my very first post, anglo-saxon media has been telling us that France is bankrupt for what, 20 years now? And it's still TODAY among the five or ten richest countries in the world, depending on how you wanna measure it. You'd think it was Bosnia listening to Americans and Brits lol.

Second, the issue is not high taxes, as those taxes have always been high. The issue is that more and more money is being made by multinational companies who do not pay taxes, as well as financial transactions who are also tax-free. That's what rubs people the wrong way.

Third. When I can agree that taxes may appear to be high, they are only high with regards to other countries, not per se. Now that it's easier to set up shop in other countries, people perceive the taxes to be high. But you will never hear ONE french person complain about cheap education, cheap health care, cheap daycare for their kids, public help for every kid that is born, money handed out to help buy school furniture, good infrastructures (highways, hospitals, airports, train network, subways)...cheap internet, cheap TV, cheap culture...How exactly are you supposed to pay for all of that?

Fourth: Emigration out of France is on par with the European average. There are more foreign students studying in France than French students studying abroad. There are more Brits leaving GB than French people leaving France, even though France is more populated. What people need to understand is that the taxes on high revenues only concerns about 35000 people, THOSE are the one who MIGHT leave France. For example, a big myth is that French people are leaving for Belgium. That's only partly correct: the belgian fiscal regime is better for the extra-rich, but not for all the others. Case in point, there are more rich Belgians moving to France than French rich people moving to Belgium.

And precisely, people don't want the same solution: they want big companies to be taxed as they should be, the extra-rich to be taxed as they should be. And more than everything, a proper taxation of capital. As you know, capital is more mobile than people : since you can't (or don't want to) tax capital properly, obviously you're gonna tax people and small businesses relatively more. But if you can tax capital properly (not excessively : properly) then you can REDUCE the average taxation on individuals and on businesses, thus make it easier to open up new businesses.

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

First of all, as I stated in my very first post, anglo-saxon media has been telling us that France is bankrupt for what, 20 years now? And it's still TODAY among the five or ten richest countries in the world, depending on how you wanna measure it. You'd think it was Bosnia listening to Americans and Brits lol.

Second, the issue is not high taxes, as those taxes have always been high. The issue is that more and more money is being made by multinational companies who do not pay taxes, as well as financial transactions who are also tax-free. That's what rubs people the wrong way.

IDK breh.... yall over there charging people more in taxes than they make in income ... if high taxes aren't the problem, they're definitely a problem.

Third. When I can agree that taxes may appear to be high, they are only high with regards to other countries, not per se. Now that it's easier to set up shop in other countries, people perceive the taxes to be high. But you will never hear ONE french person complain about cheap education, cheap health care, cheap daycare for their kids, public help for every kid that is born, money handed out to help buy school furniture, good infrastructures (highways, hospitals, airports, train network, subways)...cheap internet, cheap TV, cheap culture...How exactly are you supposed to pay for all of that?

I'm sure the people actually paying for these programs do complain, they are just stifled/silenced/shamed by the masses who are the beneficiaries of said programs. And French people do complain about the state of affairs...

Fourth: Emigration out of France is on par with the European average. There are more foreign students studying in France than French students studying abroad. There are more Brits leaving GB than French people leaving France, even though France is more populated. What people need to understand is that the taxes on high revenues only concerns about 35000 people, THOSE are the one who MIGHT leave France. For example, a big myth is that French people are leaving for Belgium. That's only partly correct: the belgian fiscal regime is better for the extra-rich, but not for all the others. Case in point, there are more rich Belgians moving to France than French rich people moving to Belgium.

I need links for all this, I cannot find any stats on emigration rates for France, aside from a Wikipedia net migration chart which shows France as having the lowest net migration (immigration minus emigration) rates of the western non Scandanavian European countries.

And precisely, people don't want the same solution: they want big companies to be taxed as they should be, the extra-rich to be taxed as they should be. And more than everything, a proper taxation of capital. As you know, capital is more mobile than people : since you can't (or don't want to) tax capital properly, obviously you're gonna tax people and small businesses relatively more. But if you can tax capital properly (not excessively : properly) then you can REDUCE the average taxation on individuals and on businesses, thus make it easier to open up new businesses.

No, I think YOU want big companies to taxed as you want them to be, and the "extra-rich" (whatever that means) to be taxed as you want them to be. And you want money that has already been taxed to be taxed again, until the "extra-rich" are brought down to a level of wealth that you feel is arbitrarily appropriate. Most French people feel taxes are too high and the govt is no good... I am not sure where u are pulling all this socialist stuff from.

I think big social nets are good but everyone who benefits in them should have a stake in them. Demanding that the rich pay taxes in excess of 100% for any reason is not rational.

 

[mbewane]

IDK breh.... yall over there charging people more in taxes than they make in income ... if high taxes aren't the problem, they're definitely a problem.


I'm sure the people actually paying for these programs do complain, they are just stifled/silenced/shamed by the masses who are the beneficiaries of said programs. And French people do complain about the state of affairs...


I need links for all this, I cannot find any stats on emigration rates for France, aside from a Wikipedia net migration chart which shows France as having the lowest net migration (immigration minus emigration) rates of the western non Scandanavian European countries.


No, I think YOU want big companies to taxed as you want them to be, and the "extra-rich" (whatever that means) to be taxed as you want them to be. And you want money that has already been taxed to be taxed again, until the "extra-rich" are brought down to a level of wealth that you feel is arbitrarily appropriate. Most French people feel taxes are too high and the govt is no good... I am not sure where u are pulling all this socialist stuff from.

I think big social nets are good but everyone who benefits in them should have a stake in them. Demanding that the rich pay taxes in excess of 100% for any reason is not rational.

My man @Liu Kang has already been over the whole 75-100 % thing, and rest assured that you still have tons of rich and very rich french people living in France. It's not North Korea breh lol

French people complain about everything, but will never say "Oh, this actually works". Who talks about the train that comes into the station on time? Right.

How exactly do you make a difference between who benefits for those "programs" and who pays for them? Everyone pays for everything at some point, and everyone benefits from it too. Do you call good infrastructure "a program"? Access to cheap education is "a program" that would only befenif those that you call "the masses"? Those masses who, according to you but who knows how, has the power to stifle/silence/shame (!) whoever it is you it is you think is paying for these "programs"...

Here's one of the links I have, I didn't post it because I assume you don't speak French http://www.lemonde.fr/les-decodeurs...l-des-expatries-francais_4507454_4355770.html

As for the bolded, this discussion is not about the effeciency of Hollande's gvt, which has failed but on other fronts. High taxes were part of his program, and people (including people who had voted for Sarkozy) voted FOR that program. It did not come as a surprise.

 

[Liu Kang]

Oh another France bashing from an English newspaper. If it's not the Economist, it's the Telegraph. English conservative newspaper love to shyt on us so there's nothing to see here.

 

[Tikal]

The telegraph

At anyone believing this over the top statements about better being unemployed than working
right winger foaming out the mouth reading sensational bs

if you want to get anti-business...number 1 is France.

they wish they were Sweden but they dont have oil

Sweden doesn't have oil

 

[Domingo Halliburton]

The telegraph

At anyone believing this over the top statements about better being unemployed than working
right winger foaming out the mouth reading sensational bs



Sweden doesn't have oil

they have some. I meant to say Norway. Same thing.