Shouting match between Zelensky and Trump

[Mister Terrific]

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The situation near Pokrovsk is extremely difficult-logistics are being disrupted, and there aren't enough personnel. Near Chasiv Yar, we are making slight advances, but the same problem persists: logistics are being hit, and manpower is lacking. In Toretsk, urban combat is ongoing, with the AFU launching counterattacks. Meanwhile, we continue feeding illusions to the command at all levels. The reality: no personnel, and logistics are being systematically targeted.

Why is there a shortage of personnel? Why does the enemy dominate the lower airspace, and why is their advantage only growing? They have aerial assets 24/7-drones, electronic warfare platforms, and relay systems that allow kamikaze UAVs to strike from 20 km away. Our capabilities, overall, are much more modest. Previously, the ratio of FPV drones was 1 to 6 in their favour; now, the gap has widened even further. And it's not just because we have fewer drones-though that is also true-but mainly because we have fewer operators. It's not that the state isn't doing anything; there are plenty of open training courses for various types of UAVs. But we personally know about 30 people who completed these courses and didn't deploy-they just kept moving from one course to another to avoid returning to the front lines.

Why? Because at the front, in some units, soldiers are treated like serfs.

There's no "For the Motherland, for Putin"-only "Get the f*** moving." They got their pay, didn't they? These men aren't defenders of the Motherland in any noble sense of the word. They're debt-ridden losers or unfortunate conscripts. That's why very few want to sign an indefinite contract with the Ministry of Defence.

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Junior and mid-level commanders-experienced fighters who've been wounded multiple times-are under constant pressure from the enormous boot of the state: "Where's the result?" Even good men become hardened and stop listening to their subordinates. The AFU has the same issue, but drones are thejr lifeline.

Recently, we witnessed a discussion with people presenting their new developments:

•"Here's the device."
•"At what range is it effective?"
•"Well, it should be launched about 2 km from the front line."

They don't understand that at both 2 km and 5 km from the front, it's the edge of the world. Survival there depends entirely on extreme camouflage. There's almost no movement because enemy eyes are always in the sky, and their strike assets are at the ready. The slightest movement-and something is already flying your way.

Yesterday, we were hit by five drone attacks. We managed to shoot down two and evade three. But that was pure luck, and luck eventually runs out-just as it will for anyone trying to deliver water or ammunition to the front lines.

There probably won't be a ceasefire. And if that's the case, in our subjective opinion, the entire approach to motivation-and much more- needs to change. Otherwise, it will turn out just like in Astafyev's novel The Damned and the Dead. Instead, it should be: "You can do it, we believe in you, and we are proud of you"-not just for the cameras, but in real, tangible ways.

Drones are dominating the battlefield in eastern Ukraine. Any minor power if they can secure enough drones can indefinitely stall a stronger power. I wonder what the US military is considering on how to counter this.

 

[Jalether]

what do you think are the geopolitical and economic ramifications of russia destroying ukraine democracy, ending their sovereignty and taking over the bread basket of the world?

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Let’s dive into the geopolitical and economic ramifications of a hypothetical scenario where Russia destroys Ukraine’s democracy, ends its sovereignty, and takes control of what’s often called the "breadbasket of the world." This is a complex issue with far-reaching consequences, so I’ll break it down into key areas, exploring both the immediate fallout and the longer-term ripple effects. I’ll aim to be thorough, critical, and avoid just parroting conventional takes—while keeping it grounded in what we know about the region and global dynamics as of March 5, 2025.

Geopolitical Ramifications​

1. Shift in European Security Architecture
   If Russia succeeds in fully subjugating Ukraine, it would mark a seismic shift in European security. Ukraine’s position as a buffer between Russia and NATO would vanish, bringing Russian forces—and influence—right up to the borders of Poland, Slovakia, Hungary, and Romania, all NATO members. This could embolden Russia to test NATO’s resolve further, potentially targeting the Baltic states or other former Soviet territories. The 2022 invasion already prompted Finland and Sweden to abandon decades of neutrality and join NATO; a total Russian victory might push other neutral states, like Moldova or even Georgia, to seek similar protection—or fall under Moscow’s sway. NATO would likely respond by ramping up its military presence in Eastern Europe, escalating tensions and possibly locking the continent into a new Cold War-style standoff.
2. Erosion of the Rules-Based International Order
   A successful annexation of Ukraine would signal that might makes right, undermining the post-WWII norms of sovereignty and territorial integrity. This could inspire other authoritarian powers—think China with Taiwan, or even smaller regional players—to pursue territorial ambitions, arguing that the West’s inability to stop Russia proves the international system is toothless. The UN’s already shaky credibility would take another hit, especially if Russia leverages its Security Council veto to block any meaningful response. Non-aligned countries in the Global South, many of whom have stayed neutral in the current conflict, might see this as validation of their skepticism toward Western-led frameworks, further fracturing global unity.
3. Russia’s Regional Dominance and Global Leverage
   Controlling Ukraine would restore Russia’s status as a dominant power in the post-Soviet space, reversing the losses of 1991. It would gain strategic depth, access to the Black Sea (via Crimea and beyond), and a platform to project power into the Middle East and Africa. Posts on X and some analyses suggest Russia could use this victory to tighten its grip on food security, a point I’ll expand on economically. Geopolitically, this would strengthen Russia’s hand in negotiations with both adversaries and allies, potentially forcing the West to deal with Moscow on its terms—especially if energy and food become bargaining chips.
4. Impact on Alliances and Partnerships
   The U.S. and EU would face a credibility crisis. Allies like Japan, South Korea, and Australia, who’ve backed sanctions against Russia, might question the West’s ability to deter aggression, possibly driving them to hedge bets with China or pursue independent security policies. Meanwhile, Russia’s partners—China, Iran, North Korea—could deepen their alignment, forming a more cohesive anti-Western bloc. China’s reaction is key: while it might welcome a distracted West, a too-strong Russia could complicate Beijing’s own ambitions, especially if Moscow starts meddling in Central Asia, a region China views as its backyard.
5. Ukrainian Resistance and Instability
   Even if Russia “wins,” Ukraine’s democratic spirit wouldn’t just vanish. Partisan resistance, fueled by a population that’s shown fierce resolve since 2014, could turn Ukraine into a quagmire—think Afghanistan 2.0 for Russia. This would drain Moscow’s resources and keep the region unstable, potentially spilling over into neighboring states via refugees, arms flows, or radicalized fighters. The West might exploit this, funneling covert support to insurgents, further entrenching the conflict as a proxy war.

Economic Ramifications​

1. Control of the Breadbasket: Global Food Security
   Ukraine’s role as a grain powerhouse—exporting wheat, corn, and sunflower oil to Europe, Africa, and the Middle East—cannot be overstated. In 2021, its agricultural exports hit $27.8 billion, and it’s often called the breadbasket of Europe (and increasingly the world). If Russia takes over, it could monopolize this output, combining it with its own wheat exports (already a third of the global supply when paired with Ukraine’s share). This would give Moscow unprecedented leverage over food prices and availability, especially in food-insecure regions like the Horn of Africa or the Sahel, where 25 countries rely on Ukrainian and Russian grain for over a third of their imports. Russia could weaponize food as it has energy, cutting supplies to punish adversaries or reward allies, exacerbating hunger crises and sparking unrest in vulnerable states.
2. Energy Market Disruptions
   Ukraine sits on significant natural gas reserves and hosts pipelines that, while less critical since Nord Stream, still matter for Eastern Europe. Russian control could disrupt these flows, forcing Europe to scramble for alternatives—again. Oil and gas prices, already volatile since 2022, could spike further if Russia tightens its grip on regional energy infrastructure. Sanctions would likely intensify, but Russia’s ability to redirect exports to China and India (as it’s done since 2022) might cushion the blow, while Europe faces higher costs and inflation.
3. Global Economic Instability
   Markets hate uncertainty, and this scenario would deliver it in spades. A Russian victory could crash the Ukrainian hryvnia and ripple through currencies of neighboring states. Equity markets, already jittery from the 2022 invasion, might see prolonged sell-offs, especially in Europe. Posts on X highlight fears of oil price surges and food supply shocks, which could tip fragile economies into recession. Supply chains, still recovering from COVID and earlier war disruptions, would face new bottlenecks—think fertilizers, where Russia and Ukraine are key players, or shipping routes through the Black Sea.
4. Russia’s Economic Paradox
   Here’s the twist: Russia might not reap the economic windfall it expects. Sanctions have already shrunk its economy (a recession hit in 2022), and occupying Ukraine would strain its finances further—rebuilding costs, military expenses, and global isolation could outweigh gains from fertile land. Western companies’ exodus (Apple, McDonald’s, etc.) shows how self-sanctioning and reputational damage could persist, limiting Russia’s access to tech and capital needed to exploit Ukraine’s resources efficiently. China might step in, but at the cost of making Russia a junior partner, not a global powerhouse.
5. Winners and Losers
   The U.S. could benefit indirectly—higher grain prices might boost its farmers, and LNG exports to Europe would soar. But consumers everywhere would feel the pinch of inflation. Developing nations, especially in Africa and Asia, would suffer most, facing food shortages and debt crises as they compete for scarcer resources. India, a big buyer of Russian oil, might gain discounted energy but lose out if grain prices skyrocket.

Critical Takeaways​

This scenario isn’t a clean win for anyone. Russia might gain territory and resources, but it’d inherit a hostile population, a battered economy, and a world more united against it—or at least, more desperate to counterbalance it. The West would lose a democratic ally but could rally around a renewed purpose, though at huge cost. The Global South would bear the brunt of economic fallout, potentially fueling migration and extremism.

The breadbasket angle is the wildcard. Food as a geopolitical weapon could reshape alliances and power dynamics more than tanks or missiles. Yet, history shows occupying fertile land doesn’t guarantee prosperity—look at the Soviet Union’s own struggles to feed itself despite Ukraine’s riches. Russia’s gamble could backfire, turning a short-term triumph into a long-term trap.

What do you think—would Russia’s control of Ukraine’s resources outweigh the costs of global backlash and internal resistance? Or would this just accelerate a multipolar world where no one really wins?

I appreciate this post however you are wasting your time as the poster you responded to lacks the intelligence/ability to analyse and understand geopolitics and its implication worldwide. everything is black and white to these folks

 

[bnew]

Trump suspending US intelligence sharing is ‘suffocating’ Ukraine’s hope, says Ben Wallace

Trump suspending US intelligence sharing is ‘suffocating’ Ukraine’s hope, says Ben Wallace

Former UK defence secretary suggests Ukraine can still win the war if it continues holding off Russian forces

www.theguardian.com

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It's one step worse: The US forbids anyone to tell the neighbour about the fire even when the neighbour is willing to pay for the info.

US curtails Ukraine access to satellite imagery.

So this is not the US army support that is cancelled. This is a private company that is blocked from selling photos.

That should really give the pause to any country that is using US intelligence.

 

[Reflected]

Black people defending swastika wearers.... Scratch a liberal.

These dudes get no p*ssy either, and they have 0 impact on real-world politics. Bunch of boys trying to play war. Ukraine was always an asset by proxy, nothing else, Russia was never going to let the soviet betrayal go. They are no ally of ours, they served their purpose in crippl;ing the Russian economy nothign else.

Stop defending a bunch a white boys that would put a bullet in you given the chance. Ukraine is the second most corrupt country behind Russia, always has been.


Next you pussies will be crying with the Polish get invades, seriously, @bnew log off and do something with your life, can't imagine what you look like in person trying to front on politics on this website of all places. Straight loser shyt.

 

[Reflected]

Check the kms owned, Russia is slowly suffocating Ukraine, idiots.


60,000+ posts is wild, stop listening to the virgin on here, my goodness, nothing going on with their life, at all. They have no impact on politics at all, not even campaign experience yet they LARP democrat on this website. Weirdos.

 

[Reflected]

Defending fukkers like this BTW:









Nazi salutes

 

[Reflected]

@ me @bnew, when Ukraine loses the war. fukking idiot. fukking c00n.

The Russian invasion of Ukraine shows racism has no boundaries

The Russian invasion of Ukraine shows racism has no boundaries as Ukrainian refugees of African descent are being turned away at border crossings in favor of white Ukrainians.

www.brookings.edu

Straight c00n shyt:


And they are still holding Africans. weak-jawed motherfukkers, thinking they are smart by repeating liberal talking points. WILD

GO GET SOME p*ssy

 

[bnew]

@ me @bnew, when Ukraine loses the war. fukking idiot. fukking c00n.

over a year ago I posted photos of captured russian troops with nazi tattoos. I have no problem with nazis killing nazis, no black folk should.

this is a good thing, not a bad thing. nazi's are dying or living with war-incurred disabilities.

 

[Reflected]

over a year ago I posted photos of captured russian troops with nazi tattoos. I have no problem with nazis killing nazis, no black folk should.

this is a good thing, not a bad thing. nazi's are dying or living with war-incurred disabilities.

I don't care about either side, p*ssy. 60,000+ posts is fukking wild... Ugly c00n mother fukker.

 

[Reflected]

You know @bnew is a ugly fukker, only reason he posts on here all day, like a BOT

edit: I don't have beef though, I just hate p*ssy ass liberal men, who get no p*ssy, shyt is annoying, you guys sound like bots all day repeating the talking points of eminent men. Meanwhile getting you shyt pushed in at elections. Wild.

I don't have a problem with you I don't care enough, honestly.

 

[bnew]

You know @bnew is a ugly fukker, only reason he posts on here all day, like a BOT

most of my posts are dupes and quotes of other posts

your retorts speaks volumes about you.

 

[Reflected]

most of my posts are dupes and quotes of other posts

your retorts speak volume about you.

Shut up, p*ssy. Like a woman trying to go back and forth. Shut up GO OUTSIDE, GET p*ssy.

And I would slam you on your fukking neck in person, don't ever get that confused. p*ssy c00n

 

[bnew]

How much do you think Russia has lost and will continue to lose? lol Speaking in general, but you guys need some strategy games in your life. Russia is essentially that rogue nation that had to break every treaty imaginable just to start war with a nearby country that slighted them. They are at war with that country but the country still has allies in trade sense, but not the defensive sense, so they are getting pooled resources to combat Russia from countries that don't have to declare war to support it. So you as America get to watch one of your largest enemies, dump insane amounts of money into a war that's going to present the "pyrrhic victory" reward screen at the end of it.

Russia is looking at a very long time of ruin and you as America only had to throw some cash that way and pull on the heartstrings of democratic nations. You also watched their reputation tank across the board and you have made it "wrong" to trade with them. This is real life, but it's played no differently than a game at that level, if I'm America in this situation, I'm chilling.

 

[Reflected]

Are you dumb? All of that is still relevant. America has won by proxy, Ukrainian Nazis are not needed anymore.

Searching posts without even reading them. Stop quoting me, p*ssy.


Weirdo. And I like how accurate that post is given Russia's economy. I don't support Putin you idiot, you just can't fathom a nuanced opinion that doesn't align with "FUND UKRAINE". Ironically EU is getting baiting into funding a lost war.


This is my last time replying to your weird ass, I have shyt to do, and a congrats in advance to 61,000 posts. LOL

 

[Mister Terrific]

Orc screeching noises

Shut up Orc. I’d leave you like your Ruski comrades bleeding out crying for mommy in Kursk.