Eternal Tecate
Superstar
EwwwwwFar Right wing MAGA babble just ewww gftoutta here with that manure
I'm on the opposite wing. Pro-US Empire are the right wing.
Trump: "Zelensky started the war ..." It's gonna be a long 4 years
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I'm on the opposite wing. Pro-US Empire are the right wing.
Eternal Tecate
Superstar
EU membership was just a trojan horse for putting NATO weapons on the boarder of Russia. Acting like that wouldn't cause a response from Russia is willful blindness and gaslighting. NATO had been stepping over the red line since 1998, on some "stop hitting yourself" shyt.
The entire thing is about invading Russia to take over its natural resources. It's a western attempt at conquest over Russia. That's it.
Pool_Shark
Can’t move with me in this digital space
How does that justify invading another country? If what you're saying is true was that the only option?
Cave Savage
Feminist
The US Empire is aligned with Russia
I'm sorry bub but I just don't believe you.
Anyone that would say Obama (and Hilary Clinton, who let us not forget was never even president
)is responsible for starting Putin's war of aggression on Ukraine is an ultra right cac thinker. Obama couldn't stand the man... Surprised you didn't blame John McCain as well
You can be against American imperialism but also recognize an evil throwback Euro dictator like Putin who's stuck in the 1940s it's not one or the other
Eternal Tecate
Superstar
From their perspective they're protecting their kin, not invading another country. Donbas and Luhansk and most of the eastern part of Ukraine are primarily Russian speakers.
Historically, the land east of the Dniepet had been closely aligned with Russia:
After **Ivan IV (Ivan the Terrible)** came to power in 1547, the regions of **Kiev** and the surrounding territories (modern-day Ukraine and Belarus) experienced significant changes due to the shifting political landscape of Eastern Europe. While Moscow was consolidating its power and expanding its influence, Kiev and its surrounding regions were caught in a struggle between competing powers, including the **Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth**, the **Ottoman Empire**, and the **Crimean Khanate**. Here’s an overview of what happened in Kiev and the surrounding regions during and after Ivan the Terrible’s reign:
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### 1. **Kiev under Polish-Lithuanian Rule**
- **Polish-Lithuanian Dominance**:
- By the time Ivan the Terrible came to power, Kiev and much of modern-day Ukraine were part of the **Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth**, a powerful state formed by the union of the Kingdom of Poland and the Grand Duchy of Lithuania in 1569.
- **Cultural and Religious Pressure**:
- The Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth promoted **Catholicism** and sought to integrate the Orthodox population of the region into the Catholic Church. This led to tensions between the Orthodox majority and the Catholic authorities, particularly after the **Union of Brest** (1596), which created the **Uniate Church** (Eastern Catholic Church) in an attempt to reconcile the two faiths.
- **Rise of the Cossacks**:
- In response to religious and social oppression, the **Cossacks** (semi-autonomous warrior communities) emerged as a powerful force in the region. They became defenders of Orthodox Christianity and played a key role in resisting Polish-Lithuanian rule.
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### 2. **Ivan the Terrible’s Expansion and Influence**
- **Focus on the East and South**:
- Ivan the Terrible’s primary focus was on expanding Moscow’s territory to the east (conquering the **Khanates of Kazan and Astrakhan**) and securing the southern borders against the **Crimean Khanate**. While he did not directly control Kiev, his policies indirectly influenced the region by weakening the Crimean Khanate, a vassal of the Ottoman Empire that frequently raided Ukrainian lands.
- **Livonian War (1558–1583)**:
- Ivan’s **Livonian War** against the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth and Sweden aimed to gain access to the Baltic Sea. Although the war ended in failure for Moscow, it highlighted the growing rivalry between Moscow and the Commonwealth, which would later impact Kiev and Ukraine.
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### 3. **The Cossack Uprisings**
- **Resistance to Polish-Lithuanian Rule**:
- Throughout the late 16th and early 17th centuries, the Cossacks, particularly the **Zaporozhian Cossacks**, led numerous uprisings against Polish-Lithuanian rule. These uprisings were driven by demands for greater autonomy, religious freedom, and an end to serfdom.
- **Khmelnytsky Uprising (1648–1657)**:
- The most significant of these uprisings was the **Khmelnytsky Uprising**, led by **Bohdan Khmelnytsky**. This rebellion resulted in the establishment of the **Cossack Hetmanate**, a semi-autonomous state that aligned itself with Moscow through the **Treaty of Pereyaslav** (1654).
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### 4. **The Treaty of Pereyaslav and Russian Influence**
- **Alliance with Moscow**:
- In 1654, the Cossacks, seeking protection from Polish-Lithuanian and Ottoman threats, signed the **Treaty of Pereyaslav** with Moscow. This treaty marked the beginning of Russian influence over Kiev and the surrounding regions, although the Cossacks retained significant autonomy.
- **Russo-Polish War (1654–1667)**:
- The Treaty of Pereyaslav led to a prolonged war between Russia and the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth. The war ended with the **Treaty of Andrusovo** (1667), which divided Ukraine along the Dnieper River. The **Left Bank** (east of the Dnieper) came under Russian control, while the **Right Bank** (west of the Dnieper) remained under Polish-Lithuanian rule.
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### 5. **Kiev under Russian Control**
- **Integration into the Russian Empire**:
- Over time, Moscow gradually reduced the autonomy of the Cossack Hetmanate and integrated the region into the **Russian Empire**. By the late 18th century, under **Catherine the Great**, the Hetmanate was fully abolished, and Kiev and its surrounding regions became part of the Russian Empire.
- **Cultural and Religious Impact**:
- Russian control brought significant cultural and religious changes, including the promotion of Russian Orthodoxy and the suppression of Ukrainian autonomy and identity.
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### Conclusion
After Ivan the Terrible’s reign, Kiev and the surrounding regions became a battleground for competing powers, including the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, the Ottoman Empire, and the rising Russian state. The **Cossack uprisings** and the **Treaty of Pereyaslav** marked a turning point, leading to increased Russian influence over the region. By the late 17th and 18th centuries, Kiev and much of Ukraine were firmly under Russian control, setting the stage for the region’s integration into the Russian Empire.
Eternal Tecate
Superstar
Bro what
Eternal Tecate
Superstar
I'm sorry bub but I just don't believe you.
Anyone that would say Obama (and Hilary Clinton, who let us not forget was never even president
You can be against American imperialism but also recognize an evil throwback Euro dictator like Putin who's stuck in the 1940s it's not one or the other
Hilary was the secretary of state
Your opinion of Putin is created by western propaganda
Pull Up the Roots
Veteran
what does russia have that the world doesn't?
ukraine is going to replace russia as the EU oil and gas supplier when the war is over anyway.
Eternal Tecate
Superstar
Tanky is another term for someone that actually bothers to read
Eternal Tecate
Superstar
what does russia have that the world doesn't?
ukraine is going to replace russia as the EU oil and gas supplier when the war is over anyway.
Russia has everything, they cover 17% of all land in the world
Pull Up the Roots
Veteran
That's just the story you tell yourself to feel enlightened. In reality, it describes someone who OD'd on Grayzone and Russia Today, and now mistakes that for critical thinking.
Eternal Tecate
Superstar
No I read books